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[Vulpesveritas]

Well, given that all of these cases have bottom mounted PSUs, there isn't much of an issue there
But yes, that is one of the more important aspects.

[Reported for Inappropriate Name]

I feel i should elaborate on air flow. as far as air flow is concerned, flow is the key word here, when placing your fans make sure there is a defined air travel direction in the case that isn't getting caught on videocards and other hardware (taking into consideration how much air the fans on your gpu and psu can move outside of the case

but I digress. I really shouldn't be geeking out over stuff like this anyway.

[Vulpesveritas]

Battlecruiser, on 18 June 2012 - 04:22 PM, said:

I feel i should elaborate on air flow. as far as air flow is concerned, flow is the key word here, when placing your fans make sure there is a defined air travel direction in the case that isn't getting caught on videocards and other hardware (taking into consideration how much air the fans on your gpu and psu can move outside of the case

but I digress. I really shouldn't be geeking out over stuff like this anyway.

I do know, and lol dude, I geek out over this stuff myself plenty of times, it's no big deal.

[Gabriyel]

Thought I'd put my 2 cents in for the Corsair 500R at $139 on Newegg. You can add an H100 in the top and while it's not a high end water cooling, still helps with the heat issues and vents heat up and out of your case. The case is absolutely one of the best I've had from a quality design point and airflow with all the modern amenities USB 3 etc...

Can always replace the stock fans on the H100 and while they've had quality controls, I'm really enjoying mine. Didn't want a custom cooling solution this time and was tired of the monster heatsink/fan setup. Temps on Ivy Bridge are never over 40c (under turbo) with an ambiant of 70-73 F.

If I needed to overclock I can and will with plenty of room, just I've yet to have anything even tax the Nvidia 670.

[Argon3]

My cat says get the one with all the holes in the top so she can stay warm on it

[Vulpesveritas]

Gabriyel, on 18 June 2012 - 04:33 PM, said:

Thought I'd put my 2 cents in for the Corsair 500R at $139 on Newegg. You can add an H100 in the top and while it's not a high end water cooling, still helps with the heat issues and vents heat up and out of your case. The case is absolutely one of the best I've had from a quality design point and airflow with all the modern amenities USB 3 etc...

Can always replace the stock fans on the H100 and while they've had quality controls, I'm really enjoying mine. Didn't want a custom cooling solution this time and was tired of the monster heatsink/fan setup. Temps on Ivy Bridge are never over 40c (under turbo) with an ambiant of 70-73 F.

If I needed to overclock I can and will with plenty of room, just I've yet to have anything even tax the Nvidia 670.

lol. Any of these cases listed as being capable of a 240mm radiator can mount an H100, not just that corsair. (fyi in case you didn't know lol)

Though all the corsair cases I've seen so far are good, I chose the Thor V2 over it at the $150 price point for having superior air cooling capabilities and more room to work with.

[Barbaric Soul]

I have one of those NZXT Source 210 cases. For a $40 case, it is top notch.

[stukinit]

Honestly I'd still go with one of the HAF series cases... Nothing better about a case than something that feels solid, and can take a beating or two

The HAF X actually performs worse than the HAF932 simply because it has less airflow capacity.

(I have a 932 in case anyone was wondering, and at full tilt it can cycle ~370CFM, although it makes a racket doing so!)

And as a side note, the Rosewill Thor looks suspiciously like a HAF 9XX...

[Vulpesveritas]

stukinit, on 18 June 2012 - 06:08 PM, said:

Honestly I'd still go with one of the HAF series cases... Nothing better about a case than something that feels solid, and can take a beating or two

The HAF X actually performs worse than the HAF932 simply because it has less airflow capacity.

(I have a 932 in case anyone was wondering, and at full tilt it can cycle ~370CFM, although it makes a racket doing so!)

And as a side note, the Rosewill Thor looks suspiciously like a HAF 9XX...

It actually has the same fan setup, more or less the same exact fans (same CFM settings), with a variable fin setup on top, and slightly different paneling, but in the cooling department is identical to the 932, but is $50+ cheaper. Hence why I chose it.
And the NZXT switch 810 is more or less the perfect value water cooling case out there on the higher end cases. you can stick a 420mm radiator on top and a 240mm on bottom. That will cool almost any setup.
And for the price of a 932, there's this from Rosewill; http://www.newegg.co...N82E16811147157
Bigger and even more airflow.

Edited by Vulpesveritas, 18 June 2012 - 06:15 PM.

[Homeles]

Vulpesveritas, on 18 June 2012 - 10:34 AM, said:

Except horrible heat, and a good number of i5-2500ks reach 4.8ghz+ on air, and 5ghz+ on water, whereas the i5-3570k generally only reaches 4.4on air, and 4.8 on water. And the 2500k is still somewhat cheaper. (albeit those values are more benching values, safe OC speeds are closer to 500mhz lower than that with many cooling solutions.)

Though I can see why an ivy would be more wanted on someone not doing any extreme overclocking, I did list ivy for those not overclocking at all.

I suppose the enthusiast in myself is getting the better of me. I'd definitely say that an i5 3570K averages at about 4.5-4.6 GHz, where the increased IPC would make it on par with a SNB i5. Temperature is a concern, although IVB is rated for higher temperatures. On the other hand, power consumption is lower. IVB also has a superior GPU... just in case you're having a rainy day and need to get by on an IGP for a while.

Really though, I suppose you can't go wrong with either, although eventually Ivy Bridge will definitely be the better buy as Intel's 22nm process matures. Plus, if you're a risk taker like me, you could always take off the IHS and negate a lot of IVB's thermal issues... although that really doesn't apply to anyone here.

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And how is passmark terrible exactly?

It has no relevancy to gaming workloads... that alone makes it irrelevant on this forum. They can't even code a decent GPU benchmark either... have you seen the GPU rankings? They're embarrasingly bad. Their hard drive tests are also terrible.

[Vulpesveritas]

Homeles, on 18 June 2012 - 06:33 PM, said:

I suppose the enthusiast in myself is getting the better of me. I'd definitely say that an i5 3570K averages at about 4.5-4.6 GHz, where the increased IPC would make it on par with a SNB i5. Temperature is a concern, although IVB is rated for higher temperatures. On the other hand, power consumption is lower. IVB also has a superior GPU... just in case you're having a rainy day and need to get by on an IGP for a while.

Really though, I suppose you can't go wrong with either, although eventually Ivy Bridge will definitely be the better buy as Intel's 22nm process matures. Plus, if you're a risk taker like me, you could always take off the IHS and negate a lot of IVB's thermal issues... although that really doesn't apply to anyone here.


It has no relevancy to gaming workloads... that alone makes it irrelevant on this forum. They can't even code a decent GPU benchmark either... have you seen the GPU rankings? They're embarrasingly bad. Their hard drive tests are also terrible.

it seems that no one can be happy with the benchmarks I choose. When I choose a multithreaded benchmark showing multitasking capabilities, it's called horrible. When I try to show the most relevant benchmark based on Crysis 2, it gets called irrelevant for CPU testing.

Know any good CPU benchmark that shows multithreading capabilities along side gaming capabilities in a nice chart that can compare all the processors in this thread at once? lol

[Homeles]

Vulpesveritas, on 18 June 2012 - 06:39 PM, said:

it seems that no one can be happy with the benchmarks I choose. When I choose a multithreaded benchmark showing multitasking capabilities, it's called horrible. When I try to show the most relevant benchmark based on Crysis 2, it gets called irrelevant for CPU testing.

Know any good CPU benchmark that shows multithreading capabilities along side gaming capabilities in a nice chart that can compare all the processors in this thread at once? lol

Haha, no I don't. It's a shame TPU doesn't have an aggregate CPU chart. AnandTech is good for 1 on 1 comparisons though.

[Vulpesveritas]

Homeles, on 18 June 2012 - 06:41 PM, said:

Haha, no I don't. It's a shame TPU doesn't have an aggregate CPU chart. AnandTech is good for 1 on 1 comparisons though.

By the gods I wish TPU did have such a chart. and while AnandTech is good for 1 on 1 comparisons, getting a chart for each would be a bit... time consuming.
Even if I did manage to make these threads, Anandtech also lacks a large selection of games for its benchmarks. And none of them to my knowledge are modern multithreaded games either. So that's not a great solution even if I did take the time for that.

[CynicalCyanide]

Vulpesveritas, on 18 June 2012 - 06:39 PM, said:

it seems that no one can be happy with the benchmarks I choose. When I choose a multithreaded benchmark showing multitasking capabilities, it's called horrible. When I try to show the most relevant benchmark based on Crysis 2, it gets called irrelevant for CPU testing.

Know any good CPU benchmark that shows multithreading capabilities along side gaming capabilities in a nice chart that can compare all the processors in this thread at once? lol

Sorry mate, if it was that easy, people would've posted it already

But regardless if the perfect set of benchmarks is out there ready for a copy paste or not, unfortunately passmark and GPU bound benchmarks aren't accurate for gaming, even if you have them all conveniently on one page.

However, Crysis 2 would probably the closest we have (aside from beta testing i guess) to a comparable engine, so that GTX 590 benchmark i thought was at least moderately relevant. If only it came in Dx11 too.

At any rate, it would be rather simple for those of you out there with Intel 8 thread / AMD 4 module CPUs to open up task manager / resource manager and alt tab mid game to check out your CPU usage, and see what the usage spread is like. That would settle quite a bit of the guesswork in the scaling of additional cores. So ... Get testing, people!

[Vulpesveritas]

iron wolf, on 18 June 2012 - 07:49 PM, said:

Sorry mate, if it was that easy, people would've posted it already

But regardless if the perfect set of benchmarks is out there ready for a copy paste or not, unfortunately passmark and GPU bound benchmarks aren't accurate for gaming, even if you have them all conveniently on one page.

However, Crysis 2 would probably the closest we have (aside from beta testing i guess) to a comparable engine, so that GTX 590 benchmark i thought was at least moderately relevant. If only it came in Dx11 too.

At any rate, it would be rather simple for those of you out there with Intel 8 thread / AMD 4 module CPUs to open up task manager / resource manager and alt tab mid game to check out your CPU usage, and see what the usage spread is like. That would settle quite a bit of the guesswork in the scaling of additional cores. So ... Get testing, people!

In any case, games are becoming more and more GPU bound vs CPU bound. Especially with DX11 implementations. But yes, I vote we petition TPU to start doing CPU charts. lol

[CynicalCyanide]

Vulpesveritas, on 18 June 2012 - 07:58 PM, said:

In any case, games are becoming more and more GPU bound vs CPU bound. Especially with DX11 implementations. But yes, I vote we petition TPU to start doing CPU charts. lol

Agreed!

[stukinit]

Vulpesveritas, on 18 June 2012 - 06:12 PM, said:

It actually has the same fan setup, more or less the same exact fans (same CFM settings), with a variable fin setup on top, and slightly different paneling, but in the cooling department is identical to the 932, but is $50+ cheaper. Hence why I chose it.
And the NZXT switch 810 is more or less the perfect value water cooling case out there on the higher end cases. you can stick a 420mm radiator on top and a 240mm on bottom. That will cool almost any setup.
And for the price of a 932, there's this from Rosewill; http://www.newegg.co...N82E16811147157
Bigger and even more airflow.

Honestly I've had nothing but bad experiences with Rosewill products in the past (shoddy fans, poor QC, low life expectancy...) stopped buying their products when a friend bought a Rosewill PSU and it fried his system, he got an RMA for all the bits (thank god Newegg is so understanding) and tried again, it died in a month of the same thing... (luckily for him this time around only the PSU died, not anything else)

[Vulpesveritas]

stukinit, on 18 June 2012 - 10:06 PM, said:

Honestly I've had nothing but bad experiences with Rosewill products in the past (shoddy fans, poor QC, low life expectancy...) stopped buying their products when a friend bought a Rosewill PSU and it fried his system, he got an RMA for all the bits (thank god Newegg is so understanding) and tried again, it died in a month of the same thing... (luckily for him this time around only the PSU died, not anything else)

well, as far as PSUs, depending on the model they're not all very good. The Hive series are generally okay, and the capstone series are rather top of the line, but the rest of their PSUs I would not recommend.
Fan wise, you seem to have had bad luck. Their reviews are generally good, except if you go with any cheapo sleeve bearing. I can say the same recently about CoolerMaster fans having horrible QC, low life expectancy, and coming shoddy.
As far as the case... it's a case. Seriously. Not much you can do horribly wrong, and the Thor V2 has normally good reviews across the board.

[stukinit]

Vulpesveritas, on 18 June 2012 - 10:19 PM, said:

well, as far as PSUs, depending on the model they're not all very good. The Hive series are generally okay, and the capstone series are rather top of the line, but the rest of their PSUs I would not recommend.
Fan wise, you seem to have had bad luck. Their reviews are generally good, except if you go with any cheapo sleeve bearing. I can say the same recently about CoolerMaster fans having horrible QC, low life expectancy, and coming shoddy.
As far as the case... it's a case. Seriously. Not much you can do horribly wrong, and the Thor V2 has normally good reviews across the board.

Well, I cede my point good sir.

Honestly I'm just trying to defend my last shreds of dignity, owning a 932 and all

(Although the PSU thing has soured their rep with me as far as their power supplies go, and I generally prefer Scythe/Zalman fans to any other manufacturer)

[Vulpesveritas]

Yeah. I got a Coolermaster SF-19 back in March, and within two weeks the rubber padding was coming off, one of the fans had died.
WIthin a month the lights and USB hub no longer worked.
lol

But lol. Of course. what I recommend as far as power supplies go are all over here; http://mwomercs.com/...r-supply-guide/

Fan wise, I'm a GeLID / NZXT guy myself.