23 replies to this topic

[DrBunji]

I'm not trying to be clever here, I swear. I'm sincerely curious in what way the Awesome is better than or the Stalker will be better than the Atlas? When playing it seems to me that Awesomes just go down 10 times faster than Atlasses, and with no significant improvements other than being slightly faster?

[Penance]

lighter usually means more maneuverable.

faster acceleration, quicker turning, etc.

[J4ckInthebox]

you've prabably mostly seen trial awesomes get *****. A well-piloted Awesome is a force to be reckoned with.

Edited by J4ckInthebox, 14 December 2012 - 08:31 AM.

[JPsi]

different roles mostly. Atlas does that whole brawler thing well. Awesomes and stalkers are more inclined towards fire support. Granted there are current serious survivability issues with the rather large CT on an awesome at the moment.

[bug3at3r]

Awesomes will be better when PPC's and LPL's get a better look, IMO

And if I had to guess, Stalkers 'might' replace the LRM Atlai over time.

Also, if you havn't, give the 9M a go. Very different and better in every way from it's counterparts. I find it very competitve against Atlai. Its the Raven 3L of Awesomes.

[DrBunji]

bug3at3r, on 14 December 2012 - 08:06 AM, said:

Awesomes will be better when PPC's and LPL's get a better look, IMO

And if I had to guess, Stalkers 'might' replace the LRM Atlai over time.

Also, if you havn't, give the 9M a go. Very different and better in every way from it's counterparts. I find it very competitve against Atlai. Its the Raven 3L of Awesomes.

Have we decided, finally, that the plural of Atlas is Atlai now?

[Rusty Dildeaux]

30KPH faster is a bit more than 'slightly'.

[Nayru]

Stalker will have more hardpoints than anything in the game and thus a terrifying burst potential.

It'll also supercede the awesome as both a laser boat and missile boat, two things the atlas could never really accomplish anyway. The 3Fb variant has ECM and may make an appearance at some point.

It's basically a catapult +20 tons, sans K2, but keeping the whole 'side torsos aren't easy to get at so XLs are decent'. How does that thought not make you cringe? A 6x SRM6 catapult that can engage you well outside that tiny burst window with 4x medium lasers? Or 6x streakers? Or even 6x LRM15s with TAG + lasers?

[bug3at3r]

DrBunji, on 14 December 2012 - 08:08 AM, said:

Have we decided, finally, that the plural of Atlas is Atlai now?

Dunno, but to me it hits the ear better then 'Atlases'

[Irreverence]

Well, my Atlas is more maneuverable than my Awesome.

[J4ckInthebox]

DrBunji, on 14 December 2012 - 08:08 AM, said:

Have we decided, finally, that the plural of Atlas is Atlai now?

I really don't know where that come from. According to the Oxford English dictionnary, the plural of Atlas is Atlases.

[bug3at3r]

Irreverence, on 14 December 2012 - 08:10 AM, said:

Well, my Atlas is more maneuverable than my Awesome.

...do you have a 300 in your Atlas and a 175 in your Awesome?

[Irreverence]

J4ckInthebox, on 14 December 2012 - 08:11 AM, said:

I really don't know where that come from. According to the Oxford English dictionnary, the plural of Atlas is Atlases.

It's been going on for a while. Best to ignore the topic.

[stjobe]

DrBunji, on 14 December 2012 - 08:08 AM, said:

Have we decided, finally, that the plural of Atlas is Atlai now?

Atlanten, but nobody will use that, so it's Atlases or (horribly, horribly wrong) Atlai.

[Irreverence]

bug3at3r, on 14 December 2012 - 08:12 AM, said:

...do you have a 300 in your Atlas and a 175 in your Awesome?

Both of them have max engines. The problem is that the Awesome is a giant marshmallow man.

[Redshift2k5]

The difference bwtween the Stalker and the Atlas is very clear: Stalker has no ballistic hardpoints but a much larger number of energy and missile hardpoints.

comparing to the Awesome, you have similar number/type of hardpoints, in which case the primary consideration is the Stalker offers additional tonnage.

both the Atlas and the Awesome have something the Stalker lacks: Lateral arm movement.

The differences are not great, but many small details (exact number and placement of hardpoints, speed profile, tonnage, arm actuators, etc) will add up to result in some builds being unique to each chassis. The D-DC offers 3 missile hardpoints in a single location, while most Stalkers offer (at minimum) four in four different locations. A minor difference, but you'll never see a D DC with four SRM6s (and compared to 4xSRM6 Awesome, you have five more tons for ammo and heatsinks and I think more energy hardpoints as well)

[EyeOne]

It's not all about weight. The Atlas can have problematic hardpoints when it comes to trying to fill a role. It can be done sure, but it's more difficult. The easiest role is for the Atlas to just be a brawler.

I've never been a fan of the Atlas' hardpoint setup. I've been waiting for the Stalker since it was announced A: because I like the hardpoint layout (you can energy boat, LRM boat, SRM boat, or all three at the same time) and B: because it was my first assault mech purchase in MW2: Mercs.

Edited by EyeOne, 14 December 2012 - 08:16 AM.

[bug3at3r]

J4ckInthebox, on 14 December 2012 - 08:11 AM, said:

I really don't know where that come from. According to the Oxford English dictionnary, the plural of Atlas is Atlases.

i wont start an English argument, but supposedly some time ago there was a cult following to call them 'Atlai'. If I remember correctly it was spearheaded by DHB

[MeiSooHaityu]

I actually think players need to treat the Awesome more like a Heavy than an Assault. With the Awesome's better speed and maneuverability it has more in common with a Heavy mech. Although not always the case, in general, the Atlas can just lumber in and fire its weapons because it can soak up so much damage.

It will be interesting to see where the Stalker lands. People keep talking about it being a bunker on legs like the Atlas, but it is only 5 tons heavier than an Awesome. It will be interesting to see how people play this mech.

[Odanan]

DrBunji, on 14 December 2012 - 08:08 AM, said:

Have we decided, finally, that the plural of Atlas is Atlai now?

You can't actually decide something like that. There are grammar rules, you know.

And it is Atlases.