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[Royal Flush]

Ok, things are starting to really get ridiculous.

Game after game I am seeing (and losing) to 4 or more ECM scout mechs on the opposing team!

These guys come decked out with streak missles and with the Anti-missle nerf not shooting down streaks there's no way to stop em.

Am I the only one seeing these pre-mades dominating the PUGs this way?

So instead of everyone dropping in streak-catapults they are dropping in streak ECM scouts with the lag shield they are tearing everything up.

[Windies]

They're getting practice in for Conquest.

[Virtusx]

Yep, saw them too. yet, another group of 4 that likes to min/max and run over people.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

know whats worse? premades of all ecm scouts with the base cap speed module.


YEAH

[Orzorn]

ECM shouldn't be able to stop streaks. Its as simple as that. It leads to exclusivity. Either you have ECM (and can thus use streaks), or you don't have ECM and can't use them because you're almost always under ECM's effect anyways.

It doesn't help that Total Warfare does not say anywhere that SSRMs are affected by Guardian ECM. In fact, it explicitly states what is affected (and once again, SSRMs are not mentioned). Only Angel ECM, which comes out in 3052, can stop SSRMs.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Royal Flush, on 14 December 2012 - 05:26 PM, said:

Ok, things are starting to really get ridiculous.

Game after game I am seeing (and losing) to 4 or more ECM scout mechs on the opposing team!

These guys come decked out with streak missles and with the Anti-missle nerf not shooting down streaks there's no way to stop em.

Am I the only one seeing these pre-mades dominating the PUGs this way?

So instead of everyone dropping in streak-catapults they are dropping in streak ECM scouts with the lag shield they are tearing everything up.

according to the devs, ppl all using the same thing makes the game more diverse anyways

[Codejack]

I never saw an all-streakcat drop; I'm sorry, that would be stupid, since you would be facing at least 4 other heavies, and SSRMs are NOT the best weapons for that, by a long shot.

I have seen 4+ ecm mechs, and combinations of multiple ecm mechs and streakcats, though.

Streaks were a small problem. ECM is a big problem.

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 14 December 2012 - 05:29 PM, said:

according to the devs, ppl all using the same thing makes the game more diverse anyways

+1

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Orzorn, on 14 December 2012 - 05:29 PM, said:

ECM shouldn't be able to stop streaks. Its as simple as that. It leads to exclusivity. Either you have ECM (and can thus use streaks), or you don't have ECM and can't use them because you're almost always under ECM's effect anyways.

It doesn't help that Total Warfare does not say anywhere that SSRMs are affected by Guardian ECM. In fact, it explicitly states what is affected (and once again, SSRMs are not mentioned). Only Angel ECM, which comes out in 3052, can stop SSRMs.

in before:

this isnt TT stop using TT books as reference

[Codejack]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 14 December 2012 - 05:30 PM, said:

in before:

this isnt TT stop using TT books as reference

OK, then, I want Long Tom to be heat-seeking! And can we have Clan tech and HVACs early, too?

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 14 December 2012 - 05:29 PM, said:

know whats worse? premades of all ecm scouts with the base cap speed module.


YEAH

but seriously; this is way worse. Null sig equipped super fast lagshield lights with like 10 sec base cap

[Orzorn]

Codejack, on 14 December 2012 - 05:30 PM, said:

Streaks were a small problem. ECM is a big problem.

Yeah, and now, when combined with the lagshield menace that is the Raven, we have an even BIGGER problem! Hurray!

Can't bring streaks to hit them through their lag shield, can't hit them with anything else (seriously, their paperdoll will flash, sparks will fly, and they'll take zero damage. Watching 4 people shoot at a Raven that is literally running in circles for about 3 minutes is the most frustrating thing I've experienced thus far), while they can hit you every time with little effort thanks to their exclusive streaks.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Codejack, on 14 December 2012 - 05:31 PM, said:

OK, then, I want Long Tom to be heat-seeking! And can we have Clan tech and HVACs early, too?

no and you cant have real double heat sinks either. Not cause you got to beta test them and they didnt work well but because the devs just say you cant

Hey Im just calling it out before someone else does it like they always do in these situations. Ive seen more "this aint TT" troll answers in this place than I can count

[Codejack]

Orzorn, on 14 December 2012 - 05:33 PM, said:

Yeah, and now, when combined with the lagshield menace that is the Raven, we have an even BIGGER problem! Hurray!

Can't bring streaks to hit them through their lag shield, can't hit them with anything else (seriously, their paperdoll will flash, sparks will fly, and they'll take zero damage. Watching 4 people shoot at a Raven that is literally running in circles for about 3 minutes is the most frustrating thing I've experienced thus far), while they can hit you every time with little effort thanks to their exclusive streaks.

That's not true! Commandos and Atlases can use streaks, too....

[Orzorn]

Codejack, on 14 December 2012 - 05:33 PM, said:

That's not true! Commandos and Atlases can use streaks, too....

I'm awestruck by the variety we are privileged to receive.

Edited by Orzorn, 14 December 2012 - 05:35 PM.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Orzorn, on 14 December 2012 - 05:33 PM, said:

Yeah, and now, when combined with the lagshield menace that is the Raven, we have an even BIGGER problem! Hurray!

Can't bring streaks to hit them through their lag shield, can't hit them with anything else (seriously, their paperdoll will flash, sparks will fly, and they'll take zero damage. Watching 4 people shoot at a Raven that is literally running in circles for about 3 minutes is the most frustrating thing I've experienced thus far), while they can hit you every time with little effort thanks to their exclusive streaks.

yup saw that in a full speed jenner. Trying to run and juke while he was cramming missiles in my ***. I turn and fight yet he takes no damage, ever. Fair.

Orzorn, on 14 December 2012 - 05:34 PM, said:

I'm awestruck by the variety we are privileged to receive.

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 14 December 2012 - 05:29 PM, said:

according to the devs, ppl all using the same thing makes the game more diverse anyways

lol

[Codejack]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 14 December 2012 - 05:33 PM, said:

no and you cant have real double heat sinks either. Not cause you got to beta test them and they didnt work well but because the devs just say you cant

Well, the operative point here is that the Jenner pilots raised enough **** on the forums to get 3 of 4 Catapult variants neutered, so the trend is now set for how to get the devs to change things: If we keep screaming about it, they'll probably make ECM attract all missiles in the area and give us SSRM6s.

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 14 December 2012 - 05:33 PM, said:

Hey Im just calling it out before someone else does it like they always do in these situations. Ive seen more "this aint TT" troll answers in this place than I can count

I have yet to meet the troll who can out-stubborn me; I'm an unemployed college graduate!

[Lefty Lucy]

Yeah, PUGstomping in ECM scouts is totally "pro mode."

[Vassago Rain]

Gonna get worse for conquest.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Codejack, on 14 December 2012 - 05:36 PM, said:

Well, the operative point here is that the Jenner pilots raised enough **** on the forums to get 3 of 4 Catapult variants neutered, so the trend is now set for how to get the devs to change things: If we keep screaming about it, they'll probably make ECM attract all missiles in the area and give us SSRM6s.

yeah they did that with LRMs first back in august. As I said elsewhere, pgi falls apart so fast when confronted with forum qq that people get killed by the shrapnel.

Edited by Mechwarrior Buddah, 14 December 2012 - 05:38 PM.

[Locan Ravok]

Get used to it because ECM is fine as it is ... or so the Devs say