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[Joseph Mallan]

WW8Ball, on 15 December 2012 - 10:53 AM, said:

No, ECM is not fine. It is broken and the devs know it. Does anyone here read the patch threads? You know the known issues and new issues. Check this out.

http://mwomercs.com/...g-disrupt-mode/

The way it is now is that whichever team has the most ECMs at the point of contact wins. One ECM will not counter one ECM in a group. If there is more than one ECM in the other group your ECM counters nothing. I'd think that either an ECM should counter all ECMs in it's range or at least counter the ECM closest to it.

Wait. I have one ECCM you have 4 ECM, I counter 1 ECM, you have 3 ECM left. My ECCM though not omnipotent should counter that ECM closest to my ECCM. Even if all the rest of your ECM still function.

[The Amazing Atomic Spaniel]

Enemista, on 15 December 2012 - 09:44 AM, said:

yeah, ECM is fine, however raven with streaks and ecm is not (at least until collisions are back in (hopefuly soon) and netcode is better (probably not so soon, if ever..))

Very true. In one game this afternoon my laser/SRM hunchie was caught by an ECM/SSRM Raven. He was lagging so much that my weapons just had no effect, no matter how much I tried sweeping the lasers into space in front of him. I ended up just parking my mech let him finish me off because there was absolutely nothing i could do. Frustrating in the extreme.

PGI's netcode is a real problem. The game plays like something from 1998 not 2012. Unfortunately, I'm not sure that PGI have the inclination or ability to fix it. Going server-side for hit detection in a game with fast-moving targets was not a clever design decision, but they seem determined to stick with it no matter how much it buggers up the player experience.

(EDIT - shpelling)

Edited by RocketDog, 15 December 2012 - 11:16 AM.

[RCXpress]

Would that I could `Like` a post, the one quoted below in particular, more than once. Multiple times even. Spot-on. And it applies to so much more than just ECM.

Whatever it is, it`s fine. The problem is so very often in the complainant`s unwillingness to adapt. No battleplan survives contact with the enemy (or ECM, or Streak, or LRM, or Light `mechs). Adapt or die. Rely on your teammates, and be a teammate to be relied on.

Besides, there`ll be something new to whine about adapt to in the next patch.

Exitwounds, on 15 December 2012 - 10:29 AM, said:

First, Sarcasm is anger's ugly cousin.

Second, ECM has significantly changed the battlefield. I for one dont find it better or worse, just different. Now we are running chassis that were often overlooked. I LOL now when I hear that commandos are OP... A couple patches ago, no one with enough C bills was running a commando because it has no jump jets, less weapons/armor and roughly same speed as a Jenner. All the forum whiners get to take a break from crying about LRM boats and start whining about DDC's and Ravens.

If you cant adapt your play style to the current battlefield then take a break for 2 weeks and the next patch will change the landscape again. The "tweaks" we are getting regularly refresh the best tactics and strategies for this game. Its keeping the content a bit more fresh for me. After many months of playing the Forest/caustic/frozen over and over the changes made by ECM have altered what mechs you face and where you face them on the map and how to win.

Glass half full.

[Kernfeuer]

JakeTehPwner, on 15 December 2012 - 09:40 AM, said:

Yup. Deal with it.

No its not..its Beta and new introduced....deal whit it

[8Ball-]

Joseph Mallan, on 15 December 2012 - 11:02 AM, said:

Wait. I have one ECCM you have 4 ECM, I counter 1 ECM, you have 3 ECM left. My ECCM though not omnipotent should counter that ECM closest to my ECCM. Even if all the rest of your ECM still function.

Can't tell if you're asking a question, making a statement or posing a counter argument. So I'll let the dev post stand on it's own and add my opinion. IMO an ECM in counter should counter any and all ECMs in it's range. Maybe then we'd see an end of the cheese teams and a move back to more balance in a drop.(Maybe phase 3 will help) It really doesn't seem too bad in an all pug drop now. But add in a 4 man premade with all ECM builds and it changes alot. Don't see alot of 8 man teams dropping with less than 6-8 ECM's now, although we have been trying to balance our teams and alter our tactics to deal with it. Even though it's hotly denied it seems that most people care more about their stats than having a somewhat balanced fun match.

[Torqueware]

RCXpress, on 15 December 2012 - 11:15 AM, said:

Would that I could `Like` a post, the one quoted below in particular, more than once. Multiple times even. Spot-on. And it applies to so much more than just ECM.

Whatever it is, it`s fine. The problem is so very often in the complainant`s unwillingness to adapt. No battleplan survives contact with the enemy (or ECM, or Streak, or LRM, or Light `mechs). Adapt or die. Rely on your teammates, and be a teammate to be relied on.

Besides, there`ll be something new to whine about adapt to in the next patch.

Here we go! Someone who understands!

[Void Angel]

Exitwounds, on 15 December 2012 - 10:29 AM, said:

First, Sarcasm is anger's ugly cousin.

Second, ECM has significantly changed the battlefield. I for one dont find it better or worse, just different. Now we are running chassis that were often overlooked. I LOL now when I hear that commandos are OP... A couple patches ago, no one with enough C bills was running a commando because it has no jump jets, less weapons/armor and roughly same speed as a Jenner. All the forum whiners get to take a break from crying about LRM boats and start whining about DDC's and Ravens.

If you cant adapt your play style to the current battlefield then take a break for 2 weeks and the next patch will change the landscape again. The "tweaks" we are getting regularly refresh the best tactics and strategies for this game. Its keeping the content a bit more fresh for me. After many months of playing the Forest/caustic/frozen over and over the changes made by ECM have altered what mechs you face and where you face them on the map and how to win.

Glass half full.

RCXpress, on 15 December 2012 - 11:15 AM, said:

Would that I could `Like` a post, the one quoted below in particular, more than once. Multiple times even. Spot-on. And it applies to so much more than just ECM.

Whatever it is, it`s fine. The problem is so very often in the complainant`s unwillingness to adapt. No battleplan survives contact with the enemy (or ECM, or Streak, or LRM, or Light `mechs). Adapt or die. Rely on your teammates, and be a teammate to be relied on.

Besides, there`ll be something new to whine about adapt to in the next patch.

Torqueware, on 15 December 2012 - 11:44 AM, said:

Here we go! Someone who understands!

I'm right there with you about knee-jerk reactions and hatred of the flavor of the month. However, there's more to the situation than just telling people to "stop whining and adapt." I do adapt. I have real-world tactical training (on armored vehicles, even!) and overseas deployment experience. Not to mention a ton of PvP experience on a variety of online games. No plan survives contact with the enemy, and if you don't pay attention and look around you from time to time, you're going to get flanked an slaughtered.

But with the combination of lag shields and ECM, I can't adapt - because there's no effective counter. I wholeheartedly agree that the problem with light mechs' ECM isn't primarily a problem with ECM. But even when fighting at long ranges, ECM gives a huge advantage over anyone without it - for a whole 1.5 tons of combat weight. So, I don't want ECM to be crippled. But I don't think that my play should feel crippled and punished because I don't have access on my team to a 1.5 ton system.

Finally, if Sarcasm is anger's ugly cousin, Condescension is its wicked stepmother.

Edited by Void Angel, 15 December 2012 - 12:28 PM.

[SpiralRazor]

80Bit, on 15 December 2012 - 10:59 AM, said:

This is exactly right. ECM is a great feature that really expands gameplay options. It should not be nerfed to the ground just because there are different problems that it exacerbates. Those other problems should be fixed/changed, not ECM.


Also, another reason people thing ECM = Win is because in a PUG, if a team has ECM they tend to stay together around that ECM. Staying together = Win.

Man, you couldnt be more wrong...in 8v8 the ECM issue become much more extreme.