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[Kaijin]

Unstruck Fury, on 17 December 2012 - 10:06 AM, said:

A summary of my A-1 build, I got much more into detail in the video on reasons behind each decision I made with it.

Engine: XL 300 ~74.8 kph
Armament: 4x SRM6 - 2x SRM4
Ammunition: 7 tons (700 missiles)
Armor: 352/422
Heat Efficiency: 1.32
Upgrades: Endo Steel, DHS, Artemis
Firepower: 80

Approx Cost: Base A1 chassis + 8.5m CBills

Repair bill must hurt when you get cored, storing ammo in your CT like that.

[Franchi]

Speerit, on 17 December 2012 - 10:01 AM, said:

I dont get the outcry for XL engines. I hate XL engines. It increases your "kill me" spots from 3 to 7. (CT,RCT,H,LT,RT.RLT,,RRT)

I agree this is WAY too slow. Someone show me a loadout of a GOOD 6pack W/O XL engine.. I would be interested to see it.

Ammo in the legs, that is the most useful part of this forum i have noted. I'll certainly take that suggestion to heart.

Cats are the safest mech to take an XL engine in, a 6pack is worthless if it can't go over 70 mine does 80.4.

Standard engine…Ammo in side torso… and no case………..

AMS? And TWO tons of ammo? Does anyone other than trial mechs even take LRM’s?

No artemis? What are you the space poor?

BAP? WTF???????????????

Dumped a heatsink instead of dumping the extra ton of AMS ammo????????
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FOR THE LOVE OF GOD OPEN THE MISSILE BAY DOORS.

Override the shutdown…with no case… with ammo in a side torso………

I can't watch anymore.

Edited by Franchi, 17 December 2012 - 10:18 AM.

[Speerit Ward]

Gregore, on 17 December 2012 - 10:15 AM, said:

hmm official guide?

Put on 6 ssrm2 load on ammo, press r, point and click click click click click....

There guide done.

You look lost, let me give you a hand with some quotes from this thread.

"Mmmmm perhaps "Official" was a heavy-handed term for me to use. I didnt mean to imply I am a PGI employee or anyone with any authority. I'm just a Mech Warrior and a pilot with a lot of experience behind me. Just clearing that up."

Theres that. Also,


I'm certainly a noob with the 6pack build, as everyone has made clear LOL. But i am NOT a noob with my other mech, the 2/4/6. You will see that one next.

But thanks, you're cute.

[Sifright]

Unstruck Fury, on 17 December 2012 - 10:16 AM, said:

Unfortunately I do not think there is a "Good" build without an XL for the A1, this is because your too slow.

An SRM cat needs to get up close and personal, you cant do that if you are slow, or you enemy can easily out maneuver you. Also, Left and Right torsos are nearly impossible to hit on Cats. I have maybe died 1 or 2 times out of 30ish matches from hits to my left and right torsos.

XL engine is a must in anything but an LRM boat.

Nah some mechs mounting an XL engine is a stupid decision.

The Awesome and Atlas for instance it's a huge mistake simply because it means your side torsos become instant kills which with SRM cats walking the field is a bad choice.

I can't count the number of Cataphracts i've killed with a Single salvo in their rear left or right torso.

[Speerit Ward]

Unstruck Fury, on 17 December 2012 - 10:16 AM, said:

Unfortunately I do not think there is a "Good" build without an XL for the A1, this is because your too slow.

An SRM cat needs to get up close and personal, you cant do that if you are slow, or you enemy can easily out maneuver you. Also, Left and Right torsos are nearly impossible to hit on Cats. I have maybe died 1 or 2 times out of 30ish matches from hits to my left and right torsos.

XL engine is a must in anything but an LRM boat.

Too slow? You move 74.8. I move 69.8 now with my mech tree. As i said earlier. (This is of course, with my 260 STD and my 2/4/6)



Allright HERE yo go, this mech i actually DO endorse and log P-L-ENTY of kills with it. It is my most trusty mech.

[Dead Fury]

Speerit, on 17 December 2012 - 10:14 AM, said:

See though, for your costly XL 300 engine.... You move 6 KMPH faster than me? Thats not worth it, not by any stretch of the imagination.

Especially since, with my elite mech tree, i move @ 69.8 KMPH anyway. And i DONT worry about blowing up all the time.

Your missing the point. The XL engine + Endo gives you a bunch of tonnage to work with + the added speed. If I had speed tweak I would be moving close to 80 kph which is 10kph faster and quite a bit. Without it you are not going to be able to add Artemis without making some very costly decisions in order to keep a standard engine.

I dont think you understand how little you die in a cat because of a right or left torso hit.

You need the extra tonnage... im sorry but you just do.

Edited by Unstruck Fury, 17 December 2012 - 10:27 AM.

[Speerit Ward]

Unstruck Fury, on 17 December 2012 - 10:26 AM, said:

Your missing the point. The XL engine + Endo gives you a bunch of tonnage to work with + the added speed. If I had speed tweak I would be moving close to 80 kph which is 10kph faster and quite a bit. Without it you are not going to be able to add Artemis without making some very costly decisions in order to keep a standard engine.

I dont think you understand how little you die in a cat because of a right or left torso hit.

You need the extra tonnage... im sorry but you just do.

Need it for what? With the 2/4/6 i just uploaded, My hardpoints are full, i have all the ammo i need, and i rarely overheat.

I do acknowledge that i COULD USE two or three more sinks, so i would NEVER overheat, but its not worth the CBILLS, repair cost, or vulnerability to do it.


But... butbutbut....


I'm not arrogant enough to deny your opinion any merit.

I will try it. Soon as i have the bills, ill buy an XL engine and put it on there, mostly because i want to move 80 KM in a catapult. That sounds amazing.

[Dead Fury]

Here is my A1 build video.



I will not attempt to create a gameplay video with this. I will report back.

Edited by Unstruck Fury, 17 December 2012 - 10:36 AM.

[Franchi]

Speerit, on 17 December 2012 - 10:21 AM, said:

Too slow? You move 74.8. I move 69.8 now with my mech tree. As i said earlier. (This is of course, with my 260 STD and my 2/4/6)



Allright HERE yo go, this mech i actually DO endorse and log P-L-ENTY of kills with it. It is my most trusty mech.

Add your speed tweak to your base speed, ignore what his speed tweak does to his base speed.

Please!

You want a 6pack build that works?
Endo-steel structure
xl300
12xDHS
2xcase
6xsrm6+artemis
1xJJ
7xSRM ammo (side torsos)
Armor distribution
head 18
CT 50/30
RT 40/18
LT 40/18
RA 39
LA 39
RL 30
LL 30

Results:

Edited by Franchi, 17 December 2012 - 10:38 AM.

[Speerit Ward]

Franchi, on 17 December 2012 - 10:16 AM, said:

Cats are the safest mech to take an XL engine in, a 6pack is worthless if it can't go over 70 mine does 80.4.

Standard engine…Ammo in side torso… and no case………..

AMS? And TWO tons of ammo? Does anyone other than trial mechs even take LRM’s?

No artemis? What are you the space poor?

BAP? WTF???????????????

Dumped a heatsink instead of dumping the extra ton of AMS ammo????????
/
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/
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FOR THE LOVE OF GOD OPEN THE MISSILE BAY DOORS.

Override the shutdown…with no case… with ammo in a side torso………

I can't watch anymore.

Alright let me itemize here...

Dumping the sink instead of the extra AMS... Ah you got me there. Chalk that up to me not taking enough care, since i wasnt a fan of this mech to begin with.
No artemis- Yeah, too poor currently. Looking into it for the future. Good impact on SRM's? I havent tried yet.

Thanks for the feedback. No thank you to the drama though. :/

[Speerit Ward]

Franchi, on 17 December 2012 - 10:37 AM, said:

Add your speed tweak to your base speed, ignore what his speed tweak does to his base speed.

Please!

You want a 6pack build that works?
Endo-steel structure
xl300
12xDHS
2xcase
6xsrm6+artemis
1xJJ
7xSRM ammo (side torsos)
Armor distribution
head 18
CT 50/30
RT 40/18
LT 40/18
RA 39
LA 39
RL 30
LL 30

Results:

Nice man! I'll have to try that out. Good figures up there. Thumbs up.


But please, calm down!

[Kaijin]

Franchi, on 17 December 2012 - 10:37 AM, said:

Armor distribution
RL 30
LL 30

Now I know where to aim on any of your builds.

[Sifright]

Franchi, on 17 December 2012 - 10:37 AM, said:

Add your speed tweak to your base speed, ignore what his speed tweak does to his base speed.

Please!

You want a 6pack build that works?
Endo-steel structure
xl300
12xDHS
2xcase
6xsrm6+artemis
1xJJ
7xSRM ammo (side torsos)
Armor distribution
head 18
CT 50/30
RT 40/18
LT 40/18
RA 39
LA 39
RL 30
LL 30

Results:

whoa there why are you wasting time with case in your side torsos if you are using an XL engine?

Case doesn't stop ammo explosions and if it happens in the side torso you blow up all case does is stop the explosion spreading.

[Speerit Ward]

Sifright, on 17 December 2012 - 10:47 AM, said:

whoa there why are you wasting time with case in your side torsos if you are using an XL engine?

Case doesn't stop ammo explosions and if it happens in the side torso you blow up all case does is stop the explosion spreading.

Fair point.

[Dead Fury]

Unstruck Fury, on 17 December 2012 - 10:35 AM, said:

Here is my A1 build video.



I will not attempt to create a gameplay video with this. I will report back.

In my video I said 7 tons of Ammo. I meant 9 tons of SRM ammo.

I was thinking of an earlier build. Sorry for that. So 9 tons, not 7.

[Franchi]

Speerit, on 17 December 2012 - 10:38 AM, said:

Alright let me itemize here...

Dumping the sink instead of the extra AMS... Ah you got me there. Chalk that up to me not taking enough care, since i wasnt a fan of this mech to begin with.
No artemis- Yeah, too poor currently. Looking into it for the future. Good impact on SRM's? I havent tried yet.

Thanks for the feedback. No thank you to the drama though. :/

Don't post horrific builds where other people can see them and there will be no drama.

Speerit, on 17 December 2012 - 10:41 AM, said:

Nice man! I'll have to try that out. Good figures up there. Thumbs up.


But please, calm down!

Don't point out your own pilot tree while ignoring other peoples pilot tree and I wont jump down your throat.

Sifright, on 17 December 2012 - 10:47 AM, said:

whoa there why are you wasting time with case in your side torsos if you are using an XL engine?

Case doesn't stop ammo explosions and if it happens in the side torso you blow up all case does is stop the explosion spreading.

Yes infact it DOES protect the XL, maybe its not supposed to but it does, otherwise BB wouldn't be complaining about my "SRM AMMO DESTROYED" while I am still running around blowing things up.

This is not a one time incident, it happens all the time.

Kaijin, on 17 December 2012 - 10:47 AM, said:

Now I know where to aim on any of your builds.

LOL that is the only one with low leg armor but by all means try to leg my other mechs. Its a choice I made to get artemis, and its worth it.

Edited by Franchi, 17 December 2012 - 10:56 AM.

[Speerit Ward]

Duely noted, frenchie.Thanks for the input.

I sincerely wish i could keep this going, but i have work in an hour, so I'm off. I'll be posting an LRM boat video and a Mixed range one as well later tonight. Looking forward to any improvements you might offer me there.

[Stickjock]

Just a quick interruption Speerit... going to move this over to the BattleMech Guides section...

*click*

[Parnage Winters]

Don't strip leg armor. 25 is hilariously low, that's rear armor low. That's I'll notice it's a problem if I graze you kind of issue. Fighting poor pilots is not an excuse for poor builds. Other than that solid A1 build fury, I've been pondering a1 srm6's build for a bit now.

[Speerit Ward]

I like it fury. And im gonna work at building one LIKE it myself. Stay tuned.