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[Franchi]

FrupertApricot, on 17 December 2012 - 03:17 PM, said:

I cant wait. Punish people who use XL engines without understanding the risks. Funniest thing is when ppl use CASE with XL engines. literally no effect besides repair costs which are now gone.

BB squealing her head off about "SRM AMMO DESTROYED" while my 6pack is still running around beating on things would tend to prove that case and an XL is a good idea, for some reason the case IS protecting the xl engine. I discovered this by mistake when I changed from a standard to an XL and forgot I had case.

[themoob]

Like many others, it wasn't price stopping me from using XL engines... it's the squishiness.

[Teralitha]

PANZERBUNNY, on 17 December 2012 - 03:05 PM, said:

...when R&R is removed.

We're going to see the swarms rush to dump an XL in their rides because they won't have to pay the price of dying with them, so get in the habit of sniping those torsos, driving all those new players they "attracted" with this feature removal to the forums to complain about how easy it is to die with and XL engine, forcing the devs to respond, changing the game further, pandering to the masses that will ditch this game when a new COD hits the shops.

You may go about your business.

I dont really see how the gameplay will change much except exploitation will be nerfed and new player experience gets buffed. Ppl still do whatever it takes to win and kill mechs the fastest way possible. taking XL engines is still a liability, cuz you still die faster with one... and if your dieing quickly your not making any cbills. You need to see how this plays out first.

[One Medic Army]

PANZERBUNNY, on 17 December 2012 - 03:05 PM, said:

...when R&R is removed.

We're going to see the swarms rush to dump an XL in their rides because they won't have to pay the price of dying with them, so get in the habit of sniping those torsos, driving all those new players they "attracted" with this feature removal to the forums to complain about how easy it is to die with and XL engine, forcing the devs to respond, changing the game further, pandering to the masses that will ditch this game when a new COD hits the shops.

You may go about your business.

Well, seeing as I already blow out side torsos first as a matter of course...

[Tice Daurus]

FrupertApricot, on 17 December 2012 - 03:17 PM, said:

I cant wait. Punish people who use XL engines without understanding the risks. Funniest thing is when ppl use CASE with XL engines. literally no effect besides repair costs which are now gone.

Actually that isn't true. Before they put in the RnR system, I tested this before, where I had CASE in an XL engine and no CASE in an XL engine. In both time, I duplicated the same exact damage to the right torso where I had an enemy mech test the exact same damage, exact same weapons, everything.

When I had the CASE in the XL engine at 62 percent remaining (38 percent damage total) before I fell, I took 107k on my Atlas-D for total repairs. When I didn't have case, I had 65 percent remaining (35 percent damage total, less than the original 38 before...) I had 178k in repair bills. I had MORE in total costs without CASE than with CASE. In this instance, CASE saved me from paying out more in bills.

CASE is worth it....just my two cents.

[Lord Ikka]

I seriously doubt that the repair bill is the reason people don't take them. I don't take them because I die quicker. The repair bill is only about 20k more for XL on lights.

Edited by Lord Ikka, 17 December 2012 - 03:29 PM.

[Lyoto Machida]

Wait...so you guys arent targeting specific torsos anyways? For shame...

[PANZERBUNNY]

Lord Ikka, on 17 December 2012 - 03:28 PM, said:

I seriously doubt that the repair bill is the reason people don't take them. I don't take them because I die quicker. The repair bill is only about 20k more for XL on lights.

Do you not remember the mammoth amount of threads crying about the cost of repairing XLs?

Do people forget so soon?

Also, you get new people who think the natural progression is to grind up to an XL for moar pew pew.

Anyone who has played any length of time may not like the squishy, but without paying for the repair, it becomes more attractive to those without a large bankroll of c-bills.

[Deadoon]

Lyoto Machida, on 17 December 2012 - 03:31 PM, said:

Wait...so you guys arent targeting specific torsos anyways? For shame...

No, no. We are saying side torsos will now disable a mech more effectively than just it's weapons systems on that side. I almost always aim for ct due to the ammount of firepower those sides hold together is not worth taking each one out. Take out the ct, both go away. Take out the sides with xl engines, and they still both go away.

Lord Ikka, on 17 December 2012 - 03:28 PM, said:

I seriously doubt that the repair bill is the reason people don't take them. I don't take them because I die quicker. The repair bill is only about 20k more for XL on lights.

An xl engine on my ctf 3d requires 42k to repair. the standard takes around 9k for the same grade engine. 33k difference on mine.

Edited by Deadoon, 17 December 2012 - 03:35 PM.

[Darzok]

I look forward to easy kills as people fail to understand the danger of the XL and turn the ST to face me to avoid a hit to the CT only to die.

I all most never run an XL as well apart form the Dragon and Cat both i no longer own since i fell in love with the Cent.

[TruePoindexter]

Dax Frey, on 17 December 2012 - 03:09 PM, said:

XL's aren't less common because they are expensive to repair...they are less common cause they make you squishy as hell.

This. Any close range Brawler with reasonably sized side torsos (e.g. not the Catapult) that has an XL engine is a victim.

[PANZERBUNNY]

TruePoindexter, on 17 December 2012 - 03:37 PM, said:

This. Any close range Brawler with reasonably sized side torsos (e.g. not the Catapult) that has an XL engine is a victim.

As the game has turned into almost nothing but brawling, you're correct. In the days when it wasn't only brawling more people were using XL's.

SO really..."this".

[LaserAngel]

Dax Frey, on 17 December 2012 - 03:13 PM, said:

And that is why nothing will change in the use of XL's. They are risky to use...not because of cost, but because its NO FUN dying.

Pretty much this. I only have XLs in my 9M and my Metal Babies. The starter cost +6M for that XL 385 is enough of a pain to grind for and on top of that my side torsos are a penalty. I love the speed, I hate being dead and spectating.

I have standard engines for every other mech and deal with the weight.

[sandu]

skullman86, on 17 December 2012 - 03:16 PM, said:

Instead of completely removing RnR, why not remove the free RnR (75%?) and make players pay the whole bill?

...I would get a kick out of watching the forums explode over that.

Agree , but to be balanced reduce RnR to 50%.

[Rotaugen]

Please DO shoot at my brawler Atlas' side torsos....

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Darzok, on 17 December 2012 - 03:35 PM, said:

I look forward to easy kills as people fail to understand the danger of the XL and turn the ST to face me to avoid a hit to the CT only to die.

I all most never run an XL as well apart form the Dragon and Cat both i no longer own since i fell in love with the Cent.

Yup noob stomping at its finest

[Ozric]

PANZERBUNNY, on 17 December 2012 - 03:05 PM, said:

...when R&R is removed.

We're going to see the swarms rush to dump an XL in their rides because they won't have to pay the price of dying with them, so get in the habit of sniping those torsos, driving all those new players they "attracted" with this feature removal to the forums to complain about how easy it is to die with and XL engine, forcing the devs to respond, changing the game further, pandering to the masses that will ditch this game when a new COD hits the shops.

You may go about your business.

This change is a good change. If people want to spend a mechs worth in cbills for an engine that saves them a bit of weight, good, that's progression. But because that engine also comes with a serious and often fatal downside perhaps you may want to find those extra tons elsewhere, great, that's meta.

[TruePoindexter]

PANZERBUNNY, on 17 December 2012 - 03:39 PM, said:

As the game has turned into almost nothing but brawling, you're correct. In the days when it wasn't only brawling more people were using XL's.

SO really..."this".

Snipers/support/scouts use XL now as much as before... so really what are you saying?

Brawling with XL leaves you squishier than using a standard engine. It wasn't being used in most combat because of this not because of the cost.

Edited by TruePoindexter, 17 December 2012 - 03:47 PM.

[Corvus Antaka]

I cant wait.

[Kaijin]

Moonsavage, on 17 December 2012 - 03:10 PM, said:

tbh a hit to the torso XL engine should slow you down, not blow you up.

I have never fitted an XL, cos I lose a torso every couple of matches.

One engine hit doesn't kill you. It takes 3. XL engines, adding 3 engine crits to each side torso, make a mech more squishy. But just one crit on that 3 crit block wont kill. It takes 3. 3 shall be the number of the crits, and not 2 nor 1.