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[Davers]

JudgeDeathCZ, on 20 December 2012 - 12:32 PM, said:

6 meds on jenner will do less dmg than 6 meds on Stalker.
And if I remember it right Jenner and Cicada have 0 degrees of torso twist in canon/TT.

6 Mlasers are 6 Mlasers, regardless of what mech it is mounted on.

In TT all mechs have the same torso twist- 60 degrees.

[JudgeDeathCZ]

Thontor, on 20 December 2012 - 12:43 PM, said:

6 medium lasers do the same damage no matter what mech you put them on...

And the stalker can carry 4 missile launchers on top of that...

And is 3times slower and much bigger+heavier
And yes they should increase torso twist.And that limit 1(2) modules on each variant + torso twist 170 degrees making 3F best choice

Edited by JudgeDeathCZ, 20 December 2012 - 01:19 PM.

[BMR1580]

I have to disagree with both of you here. Yes, by the numbers, 6 medlasers do the same damage regardless of the mech. In practice, the Stalker can do more about the heat buildup than the Jenner can, allowing them to fire their lasers more often (assuming the Stalker isn't firing missiles at the same time), hence giving them the potential to do more damage over time.

[Sky walker]

+1
No idea why Assault that's heavier than Awesome comes out being in size of Catapult.

And to make it's even more fun - it's not the first time when scale is somewhat off (Centurion is the another Mech that seems oddly large comparing to other Mechs with smiliar tonnage, having only Awesome wider then it is)

[Tannhauser Gate]

I agree it looks too small and should be taller. I played in a match last night, stalkers and 'pults, and every mech looked about the same size... like playing Mech Assault (shudders). Add to that the ever-present atmospheric haze and it looked like a bunch of a green washing machines creaming eachother.

Also, imo, it has little of the re-envisioned magic that FD gave to other mechs. It looks generic.

[SlightlyNoobish]

terrible, 45 degrees is bloody useless

pump it up to 90 at least or like catapult 135

[planetarian]

I love it. This is how you do balance. Higher firepower, but limited ability to apply it. It's things like these that set different Mechs apart.

[Alaric Wolf Kerensky]

HlynkaCG, on 19 December 2012 - 01:29 PM, said:

A 104 point alpha strike has to come with some sort of draw-back. Otherwise the only thread on the forum would be OMG STALKER IS OP!!!!!!!111111ELEVENTY!!!!

The majority of that is from the insane 80% buff to LRM damage. That is what is to blame, that pair of LRM 20s are close to being the equivalent of LRM 40s.

Plus, no one seems to consider the atrocious heat-efficiency of this 'Mech. Sure, it has a lot of weapons that can sling a lot of damage around, but it pays for each one with a lot of heat. Not uncommon for two alphas, or an alpha and a half to shut down a Stalker.

[Suko]

Alaric Wolf Kerensky, on 20 December 2012 - 02:57 PM, said:

Plus, no one seems to consider the atrocious heat-efficiency of this 'Mech. Sure, it has a lot of weapons that can sling a lot of damage around, but it pays for each one with a lot of heat. Not uncommon for two alphas, or an alpha and a half to shut down a Stalker.

I can attest to this. If I decided to, 2+ alphas will shut my 5S down. Even if I startup within 5 seconds, I can't alpha again for another 15+ seconds without insta-shutdown again. I have named my 5S "MACROSS" because it's an all-or-nothing alpha strike mech. =D

Also, it maneuvers about as nimbly as a ship that's the size of an entire city, so I find it very appropriate.

Edited by ShadowVFX, 20 December 2012 - 03:18 PM.

[Kalthios]

They never fixed the cent, they wont ever fix the stalker either.

Just cry it out Kalthios, cry it out..

Edited by Kalthios, 20 December 2012 - 07:21 PM.

[Mr 144]

HlynkaCG, on 19 December 2012 - 01:29 PM, said:

A 104 point alpha strike has to come with some sort of draw-back. Otherwise the only thread on the forum would be OMG STALKER IS OP!!!!!!!111111ELEVENTY!!!!

Yet the 90 point Alpha (that can actually be reliably delivered without LRMs skewing the numbers) of a 6-PackCat is acceptable, while also having the best torso twist in the game? The next highest reliable alpha I've done is the CTF-2X (65 alpha) and it has gimptastic features as well, but only due to designer incompetence.

I wouldn't mind seeing 90 degree twist on the stalker. I think they're just too easy to kill at the moment.

Mr 144

[JohnnyC]

I've been working on tweaking my Stalker STK-5S

Here is the current loadout:


Overall, I'm pretty happy with this build, but I'm thinking it could use some optimization. Any suggestions on what I could do differently?

I considered Double Heatsinks, but I don't think I have the crit space to load it up with enough DHS to match the heatsink capability I have with singles at the moment. Outside of that, I'm not sure what to change (if anything) to optimize this.

I use the streaks to defend against light mechs mostly, but they help in general. My large lasers are my primary means of attack and also why I have so many heatsinks. So... thoughts?

[Khobai]

Suggestion to optimize your 5s = buy a 5m

[JohnnyC]

Please don't troll with useless comments, Khobai.

[Khobai]

Its not useless the 5m is vastly superior

But heres some protips:

1) ditch the AMS, not needed if someone on your team has ECM, and thats 3 extra SHS, or 3 extra DHS!
2) go with a 300 standard engine and DHS, DHS give you a huge weight savings and are 100% worth it
3) put your ammo in your legs (least likely to blow up there)

Edited by Khobai, 21 December 2012 - 09:35 AM.

[Redshift2k5]

note that if you move to Doubles, you'll want a 300 engine (can store 2x DHS for a saving of 6 crits)

DHS may not actually give you more heat sinking capacity, but it might give you a similar heat curve plus tonnage to spare on other things (ie, 300 engine)


I reccomend trying to base your build around a 300 standard instead of an XL. The 300 standard can house 2 additional sinks. Note that if you move two of the LL into the side torsos you can fit one more DHS into each arm. I think you can get 18 doubles in there which is roughly equal to your current heat.

I tried a very similar build, but found the SSRMs to be lackluster given the current metagame. I'm now running 4x LL 2x ML 300 standard engine and 22 DHS.

Edited by Redshift2k5, 21 December 2012 - 09:37 AM.

[Rannos]

Don't run an XL, upgrade to DHS, drop some of the LL down to ML.

[ReD3y3]

1. Use a standard engine. The side torsos on the Stalker are HUGE. You will die and die often to losing your torso if you use the XL.

2. Use double heat sinks.

3. Try 5 Large lasers. And 5 Large Lasers only. Should be able to get your heat to 1.29 or so. (any heat above 1.4 and you are wasting space anyway.)

[Deathisgod]

Im running 5s and 5m. both xl310, dhs, maxed mpl, maxed srm6, max armor. Swap my srm6's for your streaks and youll have room for your ams (or another dhs)

and what red3y3 said about dhs, im getting around 1 with my heat and its about 8 tonnes lighter

Edited by Deathisgod, 21 December 2012 - 09:41 AM.

[Khobai]

4 large lasers and 4 streaks is better than 5 large lasers IMO. It gives you a way nastier alpha strike and a better way to kill lights.