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[Mavairo]

Flame
XL 300 Engine
AC10
2 MLs
2 LLs
DHS.

It's like a high precision 1C.

Other choice
Standard 265
AC20
3 MPLs.
I think it needs Speed Tweak to actually function though. It's hot as hell and slow. (it only moves at 71!)

Edited by Mavairo, 19 December 2012 - 08:47 AM.

[Tressa]

Flame

1 x UAC/5 with 2 tons ammo
4 x Medium Laser
1 x Streak SRM 2
1 x AMS

XL 360
DHS
Endosteel
Ferro-fibrous
376/402 armor

106,92 km/h with speedweak

Edited by Tressa, 19 December 2012 - 09:04 AM.

[Xenon Codex]

I initially tried the AC/20 with a STD 300 but just couldn't make it work for me. Might try again later once I get speed tweak.

Now I have a pretty standard Gauss setup, runs cool and a nice 45 alpha:
XL 350, DHS, ES, FF
1 GAUSS
3 ML
1 SRM6

Going to try out a PPC variant later tonight. I haven't used PPCs much before as they seemed too slow for me to aim properly. I've gotten pretty decent with a Guass though so I'm hopeful.

[Pastor Priest]

What do you think of a newb with Flame? I am running a 4P now and am looking to get a 4SP next. I tend to like brawling or medium range striking, and this mech looks interesting. I was thinking of an AC/10 and some other short/medium range stuff. I would love an AC/20, but it sounds like that won't fit with the XL engine?

[LethalMezzle]

I'm currently using the following:

Flame

XL 300
Endo-Steel
DHS

1x Gauss Rifle (LT, 3 tons ammo)
2 x LL (RA)
1 x ML (LA)

And I think I have one extra heatsink and some increased armour to the Arms and Torso.

It's speedy, well-armoured and has a nice mix of powerful ranged weapons. Unfortunately that Gauss Rifle is mounted in a very scary place and if someone blows it up it's game over.

I wouldn't recommend it for 8 v 8 matchmaking, but it's fun enough in public matches.

Edited by LethalMezzle, 19 December 2012 - 11:18 AM.

[Cerlin]

Pastor Priest, on 19 December 2012 - 11:20 AM, said:

What do you think of a newb with Flame? I am running a 4P now and am looking to get a 4SP next. I tend to like brawling or medium range striking, and this mech looks interesting. I was thinking of an AC/10 and some other short/medium range stuff. I would love an AC/20, but it sounds like that won't fit with the XL engine?

I also love my hunchbacks and think the flame is a fun skirmisher but there are some differences. The biggest being the dragon has a much bigger hit box so you will absorb a lot more damage so you need to be careful. The arms are similar to the 4sp but with less reach. Also you cant fit the Ac20 and an XL on any torso (same as hunch 4g) but there are some decent builds with a standard engine too. Overall if you want to upgrade into a heavy skirmisher this may be for you. It is similar to a centurion but it has more weapons, armor, at the expense of speed and overall size.

[LethalMezzle]

Pastor Priest, on 19 December 2012 - 11:20 AM, said:

What do you think of a newb with Flame? I am running a 4P now and am looking to get a 4SP next. I tend to like brawling or medium range striking, and this mech looks interesting. I was thinking of an AC/10 and some other short/medium range stuff. I would love an AC/20, but it sounds like that won't fit with the XL engine?

AC/20 will not fit with an XL, sadly. If you want an AC/20 you'll need to run a standard engine.

Dragons are pretty good for medium range striking I think. You really need to use your speed to your advantage cause your CT is very easy to hit and you won't be able to mount a lot of weapons without an XL.

Flame's main interesting feature is that you can mount ballistics to the torso which makes them much easier to aim, typically in a Dragon you'd have to mount them on your right arm and they're prone to firing in wonky directions that way. I quite like it.

[Pariah Devalis]

Mavairo, on 19 December 2012 - 08:46 AM, said:

Flame
XL 300 Engine
AC10
2 MLs
2 LLs
DHS.

I am actually using a build similar to this! Though I use a 295, and have 15 DHS. Two tons of AC ammo seems sufficient for it. It is surprisingly tough to kill, and the mobility is fantastic. Ran it as both a skirmisher and main assault force member and it seems to work in both well, so fairly flexible.

I had previously experimented with:
2x ERPPC, AC10
2x ERPPC, AC5, 2x MedLas
4x LLas, AC2

I feel my current configuration has the best tradeoff for speed, firepower, and heat efficiency, though the new PPC speeds are fantastic.

Edited by Pariah Devalis, 19 December 2012 - 12:28 PM.

[Spencerino]

Flame, 4x LLas, 19DHS, 300XL, ES, 400armor, left arm and right arm in separate groups. With 240ms ping, ballistic slots are just gravy, nice to have, but not super useful.

Highly versatile, high damage potential, good survivability, and great tracking, what's not to love? and best of all, I can just chuck the hole shebang back to my DRG-1C when I need to elite it.

I just love savaging lights who think they are invincible with their "lagshield", and any heavier mech that dismisses me as insignificant is going to take a lot of pinpoint damage to unpleasant locations.

edit: I am curious to try out the Gauss + 4x MLas though, it sounds like it could be fun.

Edited by Spencerino, 19 December 2012 - 12:47 PM.

[themoob]

Flame

XL355
4xML
1xAC5
1XSRM6

I just run around like a loony, ripping into the rears of mechs. I'm kind of like a fat Jenner on steriods. It's heaps of fun, and I usually score pretty well for it. It's a great change from my usual slow Cataphracts and Centurions.

[Pariah Devalis]

Ya know, serious question: Does anyone even use a Fang? I never see them, just Flames! Doesn't Fang have room in its arm for an AC20 as well?

[themoob]

Pariah Devalis, on 19 December 2012 - 01:47 PM, said:

Ya know, serious question: Does anyone even use a Fang? I never see them, just Flames! Doesn't Fang have room in its arm for an AC20 as well?

I've seen a couple... but it's not that much different from the normal Dragons. Meanwhile, the Flame has 2x energy in each arm (no other Dragon has that) and a ballistic point in its torso (again, no other Dragon)

[Pariah Devalis]

While true, if it can mount an AC20 in the arm, that means it can sport an XL at the same time, freeing up tonnage for some significant secondary firepower. I am not going to buy Fang, since I only want one Dragon to putz around in, but that being a loadout option sounds great to me.

[TruePoindexter]

Pariah Devalis, on 19 December 2012 - 01:52 PM, said:

While true, if it can mount an AC20 in the arm, that means it can sport an XL at the same time, freeing up tonnage for some significant secondary firepower. I am not going to buy Fang, since I only want one Dragon to putz around in, but that being a loadout option sounds great to me.

As far as I know it has a Lower Arm Actuator and so cannot mount an AC20.

[Tremendous Upside]

I've modified the build on my Fang to:

1xAC/10 (3 tons), 3xML, 1xSRM4 (1 ton) with endo, FF (very tight fit), DHS and XL350. 35 pts of firepower, plenty of ammo and after speed tweak it'll be at 104kph (with 394 armor).

[Shatterpoint]

At the moment I've got the fang pretty much stock except for trading out the srm6 for a streak and and throwing the spare weight into heatsinks so I can actually use the lasers and ballistics without dropping from heat.

I was playing around with the LB10-X last night/2x medium laser/streak, it was a nice mech to run and gun in. It didn't feel like I was doing much damage but quite a few components got scrapped by it..definately more assists than killing blows.

If you're actually going to use the fang as an up close brawler it seems a better option due to the scatter hitting smaller mechs and groups more often than the regular ac/10.

[Gigastrike]

Has anyone actually come up with a build for a Fang that another Dragon can't also do? I'm at a loss.

[AxeHammer]

Shatterpoint, on 19 December 2012 - 03:12 PM, said:

At the moment I've got the fang pretty much stock except for trading out the srm6 for a streak and and throwing the spare weight into heatsinks so I can actually use the lasers and ballistics without dropping from heat.

I was playing around with the LB10-X last night/2x medium laser/streak, it was a nice mech to run and gun in. It didn't feel like I was doing much damage but quite a few components got scrapped by it..definately more assists than killing blows.

If you're actually going to use the fang as an up close brawler it seems a better option due to the scatter hitting smaller mechs and groups more often than the regular ac/10.

I've been finding the lb10-x usefull for the same reason, it doesnt have the hitting power of the 20 but the spread is usefull.

My current build:
- Std 300 Engine
- LB10-X
- 4 x Mlas
- Streak Srm 2


Has anyone else noticed missing laser beams when firing from the arm mounts??
I have 4 x mlas in the arms, but when i fire them i only see 2 x beams?

[Tenri]

AxeHammer, on 19 December 2012 - 07:15 PM, said:

I've been finding the lb10-x usefull for the same reason, it doesnt have the hitting power of the 20 but the spread is usefull.

My current build:
- Std 300 Engine
- LB10-X
- 4 x Mlas
- Streak Srm 2


Has anyone else noticed missing laser beams when firing from the arm mounts??
I have 4 x mlas in the arms, but when i fire them i only see 2 x beams?

The arms only have one laser optic thingy, so when you fire two you will see both of those laser coming from that one laser optic. If you notice, when you fire two lasers it'll be brighter than firing one.

[Mavairo]

Pariah Devalis, on 19 December 2012 - 12:25 PM, said:

I am actually using a build similar to this! Though I use a 295, and have 15 DHS. Two tons of AC ammo seems sufficient for it. It is surprisingly tough to kill, and the mobility is fantastic. Ran it as both a skirmisher and main assault force member and it seems to work in both well, so fairly flexible.

I had previously experimented with:
2x ERPPC, AC10
2x ERPPC, AC5, 2x MedLas
4x LLas, AC2

I feel my current configuration has the best tradeoff for speed, firepower, and heat efficiency, though the new PPC speeds are fantastic.

The AC10 is just such a wrecking ball isn't it? the moment anything even -looks- exposed you can kiss that component good bye. And the LLS help make it a sure fire bet that something is gonna get exposed.

I'm going to try some kind of PPC setup on it later. But man, the Flame is like the best of the 5N and 1C. Love it.