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[King Arthur IV]

Kill Dozer, on 19 December 2012 - 10:48 AM, said:

I'm not paying 300,000 cbills for a single color in a paint scheme regardless. "Basic Blue" costs 300k to apply.

buddy we talking about mc colors only. stuff you buy with mc.

[Mr Steik]

MrPenguin, on 19 December 2012 - 07:51 AM, said:

You know you want it.

I has, it's AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!

[Taizan]

Of course! I'd even buy them for the same price if they had 1 use per MC cost.

[King Arthur IV]

Jaynestown, on 19 December 2012 - 08:55 AM, said:

This poll isn't much good unless you also ask people if they buy paints now. There are really four possibilities, and all you're interested in to prove your point is "Do you buy paints now: NO; Would you: YES."

i could make it complicated but at the end of the day it doesnt matter. if you do not choose to spend money on repainting then it is 100% certain that you would make less money compared to someone purchasing all paints.

-paint once = 3 dollars, buy all paints = 12 dollars.
-if noone is willing to buy paints then nothing matters. (current scheme, my scheme, any scheme)
-my bushiness proposal will generate more money considering the consumer is unwilling to pay for repaints.
-if i should ask anything else, it should be " would you buy paints if you can keep them?" because there are alot of people that dont want to spend more money unless they have something permanent.

[Faithsfall]

King Arthur IV, on 20 December 2012 - 04:15 AM, said:

option 2 generates money if you keep switching between the same colors more then once. white then black then back to white again. meaning you payed twice for white, this generates a ton of cash but is there really enough dumb people to do that? i would much rather buy all the paints because i can keep them instead of spending anymore money switching between any color. option two will always generate more money if the consumer does not have any limit, but for most of us we are smart consumers and dont see any up side to re-purchasing a color.

if the consumer chooses not to spend more then 3 dollars because of the current system, then pgi would only make 3 dollars but if the consumer is willing to buy all the paints on one mech. then pgi woudl make 12 dollars instead. consumer spending on luxury goods are not infinite.

sorry you miss read my post option 2 is relating to you buying each colour but once bought then that colour is your's to change as many times as you wish, so as i said option 1 in it's current form means that i will not spend any money, where option 2 with permament colour's/skins means i would pay more money than the zero atm.

[jud583]

If I could purchase the entire paint pallet and maintain the ability to change colors as needed / wanted. I would.

[King Arthur IV]

Pygar, on 19 December 2012 - 09:01 AM, said:

I don't quite get what the complaint in this thread is getting at.

If you buy a paintjob, that mech has that paintjob from then on, and in some cases buying a paint seems to unlock that paintjob for other mechs. (Seems like last night I couldn't but "Phranken" paints until after I bought a "Flame" hero mech....I might have been seeing that wrong, but I think that's how it happened)

Now, if you paint over another paintjob, then you lose the original paintjob in favor of the new. (which I am guessing is the OPs problem) The reason the system is like it is currently is partly because PGI hasn't gotten around to details like that or like being able to group your weapons in the hangar instead of in battle, and also partly because the game seems geared toward players owning multiple mechs (even of the same chassis) so the Devs may not have switching paint jobs back and forth on a single mech between matches on the roadmap.

i dont know how to dumb it down any further...... let me try again. currently it cost me $3~ to paint one mech all white. if i want to change all white into all red, then i would spend another $3. now i want to go back to all white but im unwilling to spend more money. now if you dumb you would of spent the extra $3 repainting, if your really dumb you will spend another $3 to get it back to white.




i have currently spent $3 to paint my mech all white. i am unwilling to buy any more paint on that mech because it is money down the drain imo BUT!! if i were allowed to keep my existing color, i would spend more money to buy other colors. i suspect there are alot of people in my shoes and thought a simple question would be the best way to relate to them, it is my mistake for making it tooooo simple.

[King Arthur IV]

Tennex, on 19 December 2012 - 09:01 AM, said:

the thing is you CANT buy MULTIPLE paints with this system. nor keep any of them lol.

did you even read the title?

[John MatriX82]

No permanent paints = not a single MC spent in any painting.

We should be able to unlock skins/pattern once with MCs then be able to apply them to any mech using cbills. Throw in color packs that can be unlocked with MCs and add tons and tons of patterns and skins.

So far the business model is focusing to take a lot of money from few players. I can't and I will never spend a fortune in MCs to paint my 13 mechs at all, but I'll gladly buy more skins if I can unlock them permanently for all of my mechs.

Would you be happy to buy a mechbay and then if you don't fill it the game takes it back? I guess no. That's the same for the actual camo system.

[King Arthur IV]

Pygar, on 19 December 2012 - 09:15 AM, said:

I have 6 mechs, 4 of them are painted, 3 different paintjobs counting the hero mech....not seeing the problem with having multiple paintjobs or keeping them...unless I go and try to repaint mechs that are already painted.

Still kinda not getting what the problem is. (I am used to EVE online, where it doesn't matter how expensive or exclusive something you own is, if you get it blown up it's GONE.)

if this wasn't a game i wouldn't be arguing with you.
we might as well start from scratch every time you die in a match. so if you die, you lose the whole mech (weapons/ paints and all) you lose all pilot exp/gxp, you just basically start as if you just signed up to mwo. you also lose your mc, cuz in real life when you die, you dont give your money to the next solider.

[King Arthur IV]

Pygar, on 19 December 2012 - 09:53 AM, said:

I'm just not quite wrapping my head around the problem. (Some of the thread is misleading- making it sound like we are going to log in later and things we bought are mysteriously gone)

If you are talking about buying one mech, painting it, and then repainting it but still wanting to be able to switch to the other paints besides the newest...I can kinda see your point, but like I said earlier...the game needs so much other content, that even if this is on the roadmap we might not see it for a while, and the game seems geared toward having multiple mechs- if you can't make up your mind on which paintjob is really your favorite, why not have another variant of the same mech and paint it differently instead of re-painting the same one? (You need the other variants to get the higher skill perks anyways...)

you know what your a f-ing troll. you have posted through out my thread, trying to mislead everyone by saying i have been misleading. there is nothing more simple about my question.
the current situation is, repainting cost you money and you lose the old paint. my proposal is allowing us to keep the paints.


**** troll!

[Tennex]

signed.

[Faithsfall]

Pygar, on 19 December 2012 - 10:56 AM, said:

Yes, you can buy money in EVE through the PLEX system, right from CCP itself with your bank card (not RMT, RMT will get you banned.) and you can also turn PLEX back into subscription time, but not actual money.

As far as this game goes, the paint is permanent... repainting an already painted mech is the only thing that makes it any different... so just don't do that? I can see where you are coming from, but am not flying around in my painted mechs wishing I had painted it greenish because I am suddenly battling on the forest map... if we aren't allowed to know what map we are dropping into and change weapons/mechs accordingly, why expect it to work that way for paintjobs?

I see what you are getting at pygar if you wanted to buy 1 mech and paint it and leave it at that then the current system is fine, the trouble is ppl like me like to change quite frequently, if you consider other titles swtor/rift/secret world/TF2 etc you pay for a costume (skin) and once you have this you can change as many times as you wish to give you a different look, these games apart from rift make a fortune in the cosmetics to allow ppl to change as and when they feel like it.

At the moment how things stand ppl might spend some money on a skin but not spend anymore as they lose the one they have spent money on if they feel like changing. now consider if you kept the skins and there was let's say a choice of 15 skins how many ppl would end up buying several skins to change looks when they feel like it.

while ppl might buy 1 skin/paints atm how much more could PGI make by selling lot's of skins?

[Mangonel TwoSix]

Banditman had a great post on this subject here

http://mwomercs.com/...e-mc-heres-how/

Basically charge a little more for paint, but once you buy the color its yours.

[King Arthur IV]

Iceash, on 20 December 2012 - 05:21 AM, said:

I see what you are getting at pygar if you wanted to buy 1 mech and paint it and leave it at that then the current system is fine, the trouble is ppl like me like to change quite frequently, if you consider other titles swtor/rift/secret world/TF2 etc you pay for a costume (skin) and once you have this you can change as many times as you wish to give you a different look, these games apart from rift make a fortune in the cosmetics to allow ppl to change as and when they feel like it.

At the moment how things stand ppl might spend some money on a skin but not spend anymore as they lose the one they have spent money on if they feel like changing. now consider if you kept the skins and there was let's say a choice of 15 skins how many ppl would end up buying several skins to change looks when they feel like it.

while ppl might buy 1 skin/paints atm how much more could PGI make by selling lot's of skins?

yes correct!!!! doesnt seem like pgi has learnt from the success of other games.

btw that guys is a troll. his been posting all over making zero sense.

Edited by King Arthur IV, 20 December 2012 - 06:03 AM.

[King Arthur IV]

Roknari, on 20 December 2012 - 05:51 AM, said:

Banditman had a great post on this subject here

http://mwomercs.com/...e-mc-heres-how/

Basically charge a little more for paint, but once you buy the color its yours.

you understand that his proposal means that the price of one paint would sky rocket since it can be used on all mechs. currently one paint on one mech on one pattern is $0.50-$1.00

[PANZERBUNNY]

I hope that we don't have this feature because creating a system to save access to camo and paint just isn't in the cards at the moment, but when there are spare resources, it will be possible.

Next to the Gausscat whines of the good ol days, this is one of the most common threads and topics of substance I've seen.

[Jaynestown]

Just to clarify my statement, I meant that while you have a poll saying 95% of people would buy paints, we don't know how many DO buy paints. If it is 80% buying now, then your idea will lose PGI money, because they'd get a marginal increase in people buying all-in-one paint sets but overall it would be less transactions. If it's like 5% buying now, because the current price scheme is ridiculous, then your multiple use idea, at 95%, would bring in tons of extra revenue. They do have marketing people whose only job is to look at this kind of thing though, so I think the odds are pretty good that they've already thought about it.

If I had made the poll, it would have been
[Which best describes me]
[a] I will buy paints whether they are single use or multiple use
[b] I do not buy single use paints but I would buy multiple use paints
[c] I will not buy paints at all

In my opinion, C-Bill transactions could be transient but MC purchases must be permanent. I don't care about spending my winnings on temporary paints jobs, but with my real dollars making me pay each time would be stupid.

[King Arthur IV]

verybad, on 19 December 2012 - 10:57 AM, said:

This is a nobraioner. Definately yes. Say you're playing with 2 teams that have team paints. Switching between those paint jobs isn't a viable option with the current situation.

Now many people will buy ONE paint job, but very few will buy 2 for a mech.

there is a guy in here, he has no clue what this post is about.

Edited by King Arthur IV, 20 December 2012 - 08:17 AM.

[King Arthur IV]

Jaynestown, on 20 December 2012 - 07:35 AM, said:

Just to clarify my statement, I meant that while you have a poll saying 95% of people would buy paints, we don't know how many DO buy paints. If it is 80% buying now, then your idea will lose PGI money, because they'd get a marginal increase in people buying all-in-one paint sets but overall it would be less transactions. If it's like 5% buying now, because the current price scheme is ridiculous, then your multiple use idea, at 95%, would bring in tons of extra revenue. They do have marketing people whose only job is to look at this kind of thing though, so I think the odds are pretty good that they've already thought about it.

If I had made the poll, it would have been
[Which best describes me]
[a] I will buy paints whether they are single use or multiple use
[b] I do not buy single use paints but I would buy multiple use paints
[c] I will not buy paints at all

In my opinion, C-Bill transactions could be transient but MC purchases must be permanent. I don't care about spending my winnings on temporary paints jobs, but with my real dollars making me pay each time would be stupid.

do you not see that regardless of the people that really buy paints or not, my plan generate more money anyway and my plan is not effected by who really buys and who is just saying they would buy. the reason my plan makes more money regardless, is because there is more value (keeping your paint = value) oppose to endless pitt of repainting. you could spend $100 dollars repainting one mech and only end up with one paint..................... pgi has a "great" marketing team, the lets charge kids parents credit card team.


do you know the game league of legends? they have champions/characters that come with different skins you can purchase. some champions have 10 different skins, ALOT of people own ALL the skins. you can keep the skins and you can change the skin in game as you please free of charge because it is already purchased with REAL money.
look no joking, some people have spent like over 1000 dollars on skins and im 100% sure that this wouldn't be possible if you were not allowed to keep it. if you know the game, you will know what im talking about. if you dont well just to let you know it is the biggest thing in e-sports right now. way way way past Counter Strike, Star Craft 2.


btw. who would pick (A) if option (B ) is layed out in front of you.

that last part i stand with you. real money purchased items should be permanent in a game.

Edited by King Arthur IV, 20 December 2012 - 09:06 AM.