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[Volez]

I want to unlock the elite efficiency's for my 3L, so im currently using a 4X, but the whole thing doesnt make any sense. The fact that it has horrible hardpoints for close range combined with its slow speed make it absolutely useless as a light mech.. On the other hand... it IS still a light mech, so speccing it for long range results in a ridiculously low DPS, low armored, 1 shottable, AC/2 "thingy". There isnt really a thing as "allround" either because the damage output and armor are just way too low.
Seriously what is up with this mech? How do you most reasonably build it?

[Hex Pallett]

People nowadays really lacks creative thinking.



Chassis Name: Raven
Model Name: RVN-4X
Variant Name: SQUAK! SQUAAAAAAAAAK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Engine Cost: 980,000 C-Bills
Heat Sink Cost: 2,000 C-Bills
Armor Cost: 70,112 C-Bills
Weapons Cost: 350,000 C-Bills
Equipment Cost: 56,000 C-Bills
Ammo Cost: 58,000 C-Bills

Engine: 245 XL Engine
Internal Type: Endo Steel
Armor Type: Std Armor
Heat Sinks: 10 (9) Double Heat Sinks

Tonnage: 35.00
Speed: 113.4 kph
Armor Total: 224
Alpha Strike Damage: 15.08
Alpha Strike Heat: 30.00%
Firepower: 4.92 dps
Heat Efficiency: 40.78%
Effective Range of Loadout: 810m

Head: 18/18
Right Torso: 24/32
Right Rear Torso: 8/32
Center Torso: 33/44
Center Rear Torso: 11/44
Left Torso: 24/32
Left Rear Torso: 8/32
Right Arm: 24/24
Left Arm: 24/24
Right Leg: 25/32
Left Leg: 25/32

Weapons Locations
Right Arm:
ERPPC
Left Arm:
(2) Machine Gun
Right Torso:
Streak SRM2

Heat Sink Locations
Right Torso: 1


Jump Jet Locations
Right Torso: 1
Left Torso: 1

Equipment Locations
Left Torso:
AMS


Ammo Locations
Left Torso:
AMS Ammo
Center Torso:
MG Ammo
Streak SRM Ammo

File created using MWO Mechbay



EDIT: and if you feel that you could survive without JJ, which you could, you could even put in a TAG. Your LRM buddies would love you.

Edited by Helmstif, 19 December 2012 - 07:24 AM.

[SlimJim8519]

I decided to slap 1xAC/5, 2xMedium Laser,1xSSRM2.
No fancy upgrades, just Endo-Steel Structure and kept basic heat sinks.
Armor as much as I could.

Well atleast it kinda works and it's fun to shoot bigger mechs and see their arm drop off.
Not a real viable build but not that bad either.

Caustic Valley is my favorite map with 4X, just shoot AC/5 as long as you can, then do like other lights, circle and spam streak and lasers.

2X is the real underdog imo, but with 1xLarge Laser, 2xMedium Laser and 1xStreak it's actually not that bad at all.

[Volez]

Helmstif, on 19 December 2012 - 07:14 AM, said:

People nowadays really lacks creative thinking.



Chassis Name: Raven
Model Name: RVN-4X
Variant Name: SQUAK! SQUAAAAAAAAAK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Engine Cost: 980,000 C-Bills
Heat Sink Cost: 2,000 C-Bills
Armor Cost: 70,112 C-Bills
Weapons Cost: 350,000 C-Bills
Equipment Cost: 56,000 C-Bills
Ammo Cost: 58,000 C-Bills

Engine: 245 XL Engine
Internal Type: Endo Steel
Armor Type: Std Armor
Heat Sinks: 10 (9) Double Heat Sinks

Tonnage: 35.00
Speed: 113.4 kph
Armor Total: 224
Alpha Strike Damage: 15.08
Alpha Strike Heat: 30.00%
Firepower: 4.92 dps
Heat Efficiency: 40.78%
Effective Range of Loadout: 810m

Head: 18/18
Right Torso: 24/32
Right Rear Torso: 8/32
Center Torso: 33/44
Center Rear Torso: 11/44
Left Torso: 24/32
Left Rear Torso: 8/32
Right Arm: 24/24
Left Arm: 24/24
Right Leg: 25/32
Left Leg: 25/32

Weapons Locations
Right Arm:
ERPPC
Left Arm:
(2) Machine Gun
Right Torso:
Streak SRM2

Heat Sink Locations
Right Torso: 1


Jump Jet Locations
Right Torso: 1
Left Torso: 1

Equipment Locations
Left Torso:
AMS


Ammo Locations
Left Torso:
AMS Ammo
Center Torso:
MG Ammo
Streak SRM Ammo

File created using MWO Mechbay

That build doesnt make any sense, that weapon combination is some seriously useless stuff. 2 machine guns while running slower than the other scouts? Whats the use of the machine guns then? Hoping you'll find a complete beginner who lets you stand in their back all the time so you can actually effectively use your machine guns? And then there's a ERPPC, why..? So that when combat actually starts and youll be forced to run away (because any other mech ingame will easily take you in a duel, and in teamfights your a free kill to anyone who is only slightly skilled) you can now stand on range dealing 0,00001 DPS?
TLDR
-Machines guns arent usefull when your that slow, especially if your not fully speccing close range.
-Adding in a long range weapon is ridiculously useless.
-Too low dps and armor relative to speed to actually be present in teamfights.
This thing is just useless.

[Hex Pallett]

Volez, on 19 December 2012 - 07:22 AM, said:

This thing is just useless.

People nowadays really lacks creative thinking. There was once a Raven build named "half a Gausspult". Yes, a Raven carrying a Gauss.

Why would you go head to head against other lights? You don't! You let your friends do the job. Why would you duel with anyone with this build? Can you duel an Atlas with, say, even a Cicada? You don't! What is PPC good for? Suppressing enemy LRMboats! You hop up, pop a few shots, you go low and cool down, repeat. Even in later game, you can still run around the battlefield and pick the enemy of your choice, stop, "BAM!" 10 damage in the back, run away, repeat. See?

Also the MG is getting a buff, dealing significant damage on structure. An extremely efficient late game finish-him weapon.

[Volez]

Helmstif, on 19 December 2012 - 07:34 AM, said:

People nowadays really lacks creative thinking. There was once a Raven build named "half a Gausspult". Yes, a Raven carrying a Gauss.

Why would you go head to head against other lights? You don't! You let your friends do the job. Why would you duel with anyone with this build? Can you duel an Atlas with, say, even a Cicada? You don't! What is PPC good for? Suppressing enemy LRMboats! You hop up, pop a few shots, you go low and cool down, repeat. Even in later game, you can still run around the battlefield and pick the enemy of your choice, stop, "BAM!" 10 damage in the back, run away, repeat. See?

Also the MG is getting a buff, dealing significant damage on structure. An extremely efficient late game finish-him weapon.

It is not a matter of "lack of creativity", it is a matter of having a somewhat slightly more serious aproach to the game and assuming your not always playing against people with an IQ below 60. Everything you describe is so awfully ineffective its laughable. Sure you might have seen it work...., but id like to have a mech that is still usefull when the enemies are above the age of 10.

[Broceratops]

Mine has an AC20. No one ever expects a raven to have an AC20. I'm not saying it's good. I just don't want to make what is essentially a much much crappier version of the 4L, so I figured hey, AC20 would change the playstyle!

[MourningZero]

In before lock!

I used 245XL, Endo, max JJ, 2x LL, strip a little armor off the left side, and the rest in DHS. Worked just fine. Your job isn't going to be dueling other lights, it's going to be using your mobility to get optimal firing positions on the main fight as it happens, then applying those 2 LL to whatever is primary for the duration of the fight. You are typically far enough away to avoid attention, fast enough to make it back to the pack if a light wants to duel you, and the jumpjets + arm mounted weapons give you the ability to fly all over the place while still applying damage. I liked it so much that I kept the 4X after mastering the 3L.

[Hex Pallett]

Volez, on 19 December 2012 - 07:46 AM, said:

It is not a matter of "lack of creativity", it is a matter of having a somewhat slightly more serious aproach to the game and assuming your not always playing against people with an IQ below 60. Everything you describe is so awfully ineffective its laughable. Sure you might have seen it work...., but id like to have a mech that is still usefull when the enemies are above the age of 10.

I'm absolutely serious about this build. This is as much as DPS you can get while maintaining the maximum speed possible. You're the one asking for help, you think I'm not serious? Not my problem.

Edited by Helmstif, 19 December 2012 - 08:00 AM.

[Volez]

MourningZero, on 19 December 2012 - 07:58 AM, said:

Your job isn't going to be dueling other lights

This is the whole problem with the 4X. Any opponent light who isnt a complete noob will focus you as their first target. You dont have the power to kill them, you wont have the speed to run away from them...., and even IF they decide to not focus you, you deal less DPS then your other team members because of the fact that your a light. (infact, even the lights that are faster than you have better hard points which allows them to deal more damage)

[Volez]

Helmstif, on 19 December 2012 - 08:00 AM, said:

I'm absolutely serious about this build. This is as much as DPS you can get while maintaining the maximum speed possible. You're the one asking for help, you think I'm not serious? Not my problem.

I appreciate the fact that you are trying to help but your build kinda proves what i said in the OP. You get killed by lights, your not as good vs heavies etc due to the fact that your slower than a normal light, and due to the fact that your hardpoints arent good for a light (not enough close range damage), and on long range you deal crap damage due to the fact that you are a light. Sure you might be abled to get a few shots of against missile boats and then hide behind an object, but another mech (gaussapult for example) would be abled to do that 10 times more effective.
Everything the 4X can do can be done much much more effetively by other mechs, and since the 4X is a light..., you cant really use it as an allrounder either, it gets ***** in duel, it gets ***** in the open, it gets ***** on long range, it cant scout, it cant do anything...

[Broceratops]

Volez, on 19 December 2012 - 08:05 AM, said:

This is the whole problem with the 4X. Any opponent light who isnt a complete noob will focus you as their first target. You dont have the power to kill them, you wont have the speed to run away from them...., and even IF they decide to not focus you, you deal less DPS then your other team members because of the fact that your a light. (infact, even the lights that are faster than you have better hard points which allows them to deal more damage)

i dont think anyone is saying it's not a bad mech. it's just a question of being the crapmech it is, what can you do to actually make it useful. so for me i put on a AC20, a couple MLs, and then I have a sneaky big-mech hunter that travels with the main group (hopefully under ECM from a DDC). and if no one shoots at me, which they usually dont because people like to shoot bigger mechs, then i'm pumping out a lot of pinpoint damage.

its useless in a scout role, so fire support is the only thing I can see it doing kinda well as long as you don't get ***** by lights with streaks

Edited by Broceratops, 19 December 2012 - 08:14 AM.

[Volez]

Broceratops, on 19 December 2012 - 08:12 AM, said:

i dont think anyone is saying it's not a bad mech. it's just a question of being the crapmech it is, what can you do to actually make it useful. so for me i put on a AC20, a couple MLs, and then I have a sneaky big-mech hunter that travels with the main group (hopefully under ECM from a DDC). and if no one shoots at me, which they usually dont because people like to shoot bigger mechs, then i'm pumping out a lot of pinpoint damage.

its useless in a scout role, so fire support is the only thing I can see it doing kinda well as long as you don't get ***** by lights with streaks

What engine do you use with teh AC/20 build?

[Broceratops]

225XL so it moves like 110+ with speed tweak. you have to put in a HS external to get the minimum 10, which is unfortunate because there's really no heat issues. If you want to run close to max armor you only have 2T ammo. If you want to skimp on armor for more ammo or lasers that's an option. Or if you want to make like a serious build I guess you can do AC/10, 2 ML, and not have paper mache armor, but it's a crapmech whatever you do so

i just think of leveling it up so you can unlock things for the 4L, ac/20 is fun

[Lagreskul]

I really haven't been playing this game much, but I have been playing Rvn-4x the entire time I've been playing. It can either be a fast mech that does low dps, or a slower light to be used as firefight support. Personally, what I did is I took off the Mgs, lightened it up as much as reasonable, and threw on an AC/10. I generally just hang around the bigger mechs, take advantage of the small frame, and dish out damage alongside larger mechs. It generally sucks at 1v1, but when you shove a big gun (AC/10, Gauss, AC/20, 10-x) on it, you can be a damage buffer, or even possibly a sniper. You won't be a scout, and you certainly aren't a tank, but it can be fun to play as.

[Nick Makiaveli]

I just upgraded the PPC to a ERPPC but I may tweak it for a AC/20. Been looking for an excuse to buy one just so I could have it in my armory!

[New Day]

Helmstif, on 19 December 2012 - 07:14 AM, said:

People nowadays really lacks creative thinking.

Says the guy with an ERPPC on a light.

Edited by NamesAreStupid, 31 August 2013 - 11:40 AM.

[NickFury271]

I am currently running my Raven 4x with AC/2, 2 ML and SRM4

The heat is managable and I can do well as anti-light support and the AC/2 gives me a longer range option without reducing my short range DPS. I can consistently get 300 - 400 damage per match with this build if I pick my opportunities carefully and keep moving. Running escort for heavies and assaults works really well for me in this build.

RVN-4X

Edited by NickFury271, 04 September 2013 - 09:55 AM.

[Derpington Von Trollington]

I'm having a lot of fun with this RVN-4X
But just switching the stock engine with a standard 200 makes it decent/good (i used this RVN-4X before i got the xl245)

Edited by Derpington Von Trollington, 04 September 2013 - 11:30 AM.

[TripleEhBeef]

XL 225
10 DHS
ES
2 ML
2 MG (1 ton)
1 SRM6 (2 tons)
5 JJs
BAP
AMS (1 ton)
Max armour

Straight up escort mech. Hang with your buddies, spot enemy lights and scare them off if they try to attack your teammates, but don't pursue. If your team catches bigger mechs without support, feel free to hound him, then regroup with your team when he goes down.

Frack up anything that's weak or alone when you can, and spend the rest of the time humping the leg of the nearest friendly ECM Atlas.