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[TopHatCat]

So I'm really looking into putting some serious firepower on my next 'Mech.
Most likely in the form of 2x AC20's (as I'm a terrible sniper, but Gauss Rifles are also an option).

But I just can't figure out which Model to go for.
Catapult CPLT-K2
Cataphract CTF-Ilya Muromets
Dragon DRG-Flame (obv just 1 AC20/Gauss WHP but hear it's very effective with it)

I was wondering what peoples personal preferences were, Including 'Mechs I havent listed.
What the advantages/disadvantages of each of them are etc.

Which is the prefered choice for those big damage guns and what are peoples usual builds?
Thanks in Advance ya'll!

Edited by TopHatCat, 20 December 2012 - 12:41 PM.

[Bagheera]

I believe the k2 is the only thing that can actually mount 2 AC20 right now. Ilya can only fit one in the torso slot, iirc.

[TopHatCat]

Bagheera, on 19 December 2012 - 01:40 PM, said:

I believe the k2 is the only thing that can actually mount 2 AC20 right now. Ilya can only fit one in the torso slot, iirc.

Ah I see, too few slots I assume?
I thought as much, since having them Arm Mounted would be such a huge advantage.

[TruePoindexter]

TopHatCat, on 19 December 2012 - 02:20 PM, said:

Ah I see, too few slots I assume?
I thought as much, since having them Arm Mounted would be such a huge advantage.

Yes - if a mech has Lower Arm Actuators it gains horizontal arm movement but cannot mount an AC20.

[Hammerfinn]

The Ilya CAN mount double gauss, but after the patch, they're super fragile. I run my Ilya with 2 LB10X ACs... If you have trouble aiming, it is a super fun option for some heavy firepower that doesn't take a lot of aiming.

The only mech that can arm-mount an AC-20 is the Yen Lo Wang. All others have to mount it in the torso.

[Broceratops]

k2 is indeed the only dual ac/20 mech.

k2 is probably also the best dual gauss mech due to convergence, although the illya probably a little better at brawling with them

my 2 cents

[Gigastrike]

For your purposes, you want the Catapult. It's really the only option at the moment.

[TopHatCat]

Alright, lets repourpous the thread alittle then,

Which are the best options for mounting a single AC20, 2x AC10's or 2x Gauss Rifles? ^^; Heh heh

[blacklp]

CTF-3D with standard 280 AC/20 AMS 4 MLAS 2 JJ 15 DHS does pretty well

[PanicFire]

Why does the idea of 2 x AC-20's really appeal to me.

[SJ SCP Wolf]

PanicFire, on 20 December 2012 - 06:04 AM, said:

Why does the idea of 2 x AC-20's really appeal to me.

Maybe because its the ultimate boat and you can core most mechs in a handful of shots....and one shot lights.

[Ascendent]

K2 is indeed the only current dual AC20 mech. But keep in mind you will not be able to mount an XL engine with this setup. So you will be slow, ammo dependent, have short range, and no jump jets. It is fun but many find it challenging to position. The CTF-3D does have some convergence issues (easy to adapt I find), but an extra 5 tons of space and jump jets (you jump over cover snipe and land, maneuver out of danger, take more direct lines etc.). Side torso is more vulnerable though. CTPL-K2, better convergence, less room, protected side torso for gauss and XL, and the shots fire from high in the side torso (you don't have to expose much of your mech to snipe over a hill). The K2 has a huge CT that can be shot from the side. Illya has no jump jets and 1 less energy hardpoint than 3D. It does have an extra ballistic hardpoint for other builds, but for dual gauss due to weight the options are limited (may fit an AC2 if you drop armor etc.). You can put both gauss in arms for better range of motion and better convergence (but more vulnerable). For single AC20, too many options, depends on play style. Any mech with a torso ballistic slot, the Yen-Lo, and I think one of the new hero dragons (I haven't checked which one) can all mount an AC20.

[PanicFire]

SJ SCP Wolf, on 20 December 2012 - 06:42 AM, said:

Maybe because its the ultimate boat and you can core most mechs in a handful of shots....and one shot lights.

I also have a thing for AC's Dakka Dakka.... BOOM!

[Mavairo]

I can confirm the AC20 Flame is pretty friggin scary. I was teamed with some especially foul pugs last night (that or just had a bunch of enemy 4 mans on), and I was still racking up a body count.

With 4 MLs to back up the Flames big AC20 things were dying in very short order. I popped Kitty Cats, Stalkers, 2 Cicadas (one shot them right through their rear armor) an Awesome (who apparently had an XL engine on, Rear ST Cored him), and one Cataphract.

[Broceratops]

Ascendent, on 20 December 2012 - 06:53 AM, said:

K2 is indeed the only current dual AC20 mech. But keep in mind you will not be able to mount an XL engine with this setup. So you will be slow, ammo dependent, have short range, and no jump jets.

its not that bad. moves at 67 with 42 ammo. range is garbage, i'll give you that. but in terms of what mech I dont want to see when I'm within 300 meters, ac/20 cat is #1 on the list. followed by 6srm6 cat

[toxx1790]

I am having a blast with my Ilya with 2xgauss and 3x ML and the stock XL engine. Fast enough to move around, enough ammo to last the whole match.

Edit: actually I'm running 2x medium pulse and 1x medium laser

Edited by toxx1790, 20 December 2012 - 09:56 AM.

[Ascendent]

Broceratops, on 20 December 2012 - 09:17 AM, said:

its not that bad. moves at 67 with 42 ammo. range is garbage, i'll give you that. but in terms of what mech I dont want to see when I'm within 300 meters, ac/20 cat is #1 on the list. followed by 6srm6 cat

Oh it can be fun as hell. I just said some people can't adjust to the style. To go 67 kph you have to run a 250 engine (with speed tweak) and shave all the arm armor off, legs down in the low 30s. And you can't miss much since your cycle time is 4 sec. Not ideal for a brawler but like I said it is fun sometimes. You have to catch people off guard, then you can shred a lot of mechs

[The Captain]

Technically the Cicada-3C can run dual AC/20, if you strip off almost all the armor and don't mind only having 2 tons of ammo and a STD-100.

Built that once for fun...

[TopHatCat]

The Captain, on 20 December 2012 - 12:01 PM, said:

Technically the Cicada-3C can run dual AC/20, if you strip off almost all the armor and don't mind only having 2 tons of ammo and a STD-100.

Built that once for fun...

That doesn't sound very fun :| That sounds suicidal! lol xD

How are twin AC10's in the way of damage output?
And who are some of the best Balistic Brawlers? (e.g. Dragon/Cataphract?)
And since I'm asking how is the LB 10-X Autocannon? I hear it's not really that great, damage isn't THAT impressive and becomes useless outside of about 200m as most of the pellets then miss. But it is good for getting Criticals due to each pellet being able to proc.
Still can't help but want to run around with two Shotgunning people up the exhaustpipe. (with 1-2 back up Med-Range Lasers).

I'm just tired of feeling like my 5xMed Lasers aren't even scratching off the paint, so now Ammo costs are no longer a problem I want to move into a hard hitting Balistic's 'Mech.

Edited by TopHatCat, 20 December 2012 - 12:39 PM.

[Ascendent]

The crown of ballistic brawling currently has to go to the Cataphract-4X. You can mount 2xUAC5s and 2xAC5s (or AC2s) for 4 ballistics and rock the hell out of people. It has great DPS can shred an Atlas in a few seconds. You can also throw a steak in the head to scare off lights or mount 2ML in CT. Its slower than the other Cataphracts (max engine 255 for a speed of 64kph with speed tweak). Nothing on the field is louder than this ballistic psycho. Its a more specialized variant of the Cataphracts though. Others are more flexible. The only other mech that comes close is the Illya with 3xUAC5 (which can take a much larger engine) and 3 laser hardpoints (but MC only hero mech).