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#201 lefty1117

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 12:26 PM

I've been driving an atlas for a week now. My thoughts:

- Lights should not necessarily follow. They are skirmishers. They should be marking targets and softening armor via hit and run tactics. Commandos and spiders are especially good at that.

- Mediums should sit behind the assaults and clear out any lights that attempt to harass. A skilled light can indeed paper-cut an Atlas to death, especially if the atlas is wounded.

- If you're in an Atlas you should not allow yourself to be out in the open without an escort. Especially on that gigantic snow map. Snow Peaks or whatever. Atlai seem best in urban or close quarters combat where the brawling characteristics can really shine. Try to draw bad guys in to cluttered areas where Atlas should be stationed.

- Due to their slow speed Atlas are not well suited for conquest gameplay. I tend to either defend or move to a central point and camp there.

Edited by lefty1117, 29 August 2013 - 12:27 PM.


#202 John Buford

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 02:33 PM

Have to disagree on you there about how an Atlas is not very good at Conquest and should play defensive. I was on Alpine Peaks yesterday at the lower spawn. We moved up to the first ridge and exchanged some sniper fire with the guys way up top on thier ridge. Well the Atlas D-DC decided to push while the rest of us used his ECM and provided some covering fire. We were able to keep the other teams head down and when we got the the ridge some went over while the Altas and and few went around. To keep it short that Atlas just put down the fire and killed all shorts of stuff while taking tons of punishment.

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 05:55 PM

I'd like to add something that I bring with me from World of Tanks....

Don't block people in. If you're right behind them and they draw fire, they can't move back out of the line of fire. Give the guy in front of you room to withdraw...otherwise he'll end up a slag heap in front of you.

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Posted 30 August 2013 - 11:13 AM

View Postlefty1117, on 29 August 2013 - 12:26 PM, said:

I've been driving an atlas for a week now. My thoughts:

- Lights should not necessarily follow. They are skirmishers. They should be marking targets and softening armor via hit and run tactics. Commandos and spiders are especially good at that.
Hey, that's point two! :P

View Postlefty1117, on 29 August 2013 - 12:26 PM, said:

- Mediums should sit behind the assaults and clear out any lights that attempt to harass. A skilled light can indeed paper-cut an Atlas to death, especially if the atlas is wounded.
Mediums are also effective flank skirmishers and light hunters, provided they don't get in too deep. They are very easy for larger 'mechs to kill, however, so they should always be using the kind of skirmish warfare you describe, even if they're out on the flanks. This is why the agility/engine buffs last patch were a godsend to mediums (particularly the Hunchback.)

View Postlefty1117, on 29 August 2013 - 12:26 PM, said:

- If you're in an Atlas you should not allow yourself to be out in the open without an escort. Especially on that gigantic snow map. Snow Peaks or whatever. Atlai seem best in urban or close quarters combat where the brawling characteristics can really shine. Try to draw bad guys in to cluttered areas where Atlas should be stationed.

- Due to their slow speed Atlas are not well suited for conquest gameplay. I tend to either defend or move to a central point and camp there.

View PostJohn Buford, on 29 August 2013 - 02:33 PM, said:

Have to disagree on you there about how an Atlas is not very good at Conquest and should play defensive. I was on Alpine Peaks yesterday at the lower spawn. We moved up to the first ridge and exchanged some sniper fire with the guys way up top on thier ridge. Well the Atlas D-DC decided to push while the rest of us used his ECM and provided some covering fire. We were able to keep the other teams head down and when we got the the ridge some went over while the Altas and and few went around. To keep it short that Atlas just put down the fire and killed all shorts of stuff while taking tons of punishment.

My problem with Conquest, and the reason I usually just stick to Assault, is that the conquest mechanic isn't strong enough to override tactical realities and make the format unique. The best PuG tactic in Conquest is still essentially the same as in Assault - send your lights out and move everyone else as a body to find and destroy the enemy. If they split up, you crush them in detail and win; even if they try to stay away from you, you'll eventually catch some of their dispersed elements and destroy them. After you've smashed a third, or a quarter, of their team, you can even switch to capping - with the advantage of numerical superiority.

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Posted 05 September 2013 - 10:23 PM

As an Atlas pilot. Do me a favor. Don't crawl up my ***. I don't mind sponging for you, I'm an Atlas. It comes with the job. But even then, there are times I do need to back up. You're not doing yourself any favors, hunchies/cents, if you're playing grab-*** with me.

TL;DR: Don't stand right-****-behind me.

That is all.

Edited by JohanssenJr, 05 September 2013 - 10:23 PM.


#206 Void Angel

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Posted 08 September 2013 - 11:59 PM

Any effort to cooperate with an Atlas should bear in mind how slowly even the "fastest" of brawling Atlases are going to be moving.

Edited by Void Angel, 08 September 2013 - 11:59 PM.


#207 Faithsfall

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Posted 09 September 2013 - 12:36 AM

Yes i agree follow the atlas when it isn't being piloted by a complete and utter Numpty, too many times i have seen ppl in that 100ton monster go walking straight at the enemy in open ground being hit by everything and the kitchen sink and wonder why their heavly armoured beast is dead in seconds.

If it is being piloted with skill then yes by all means I support the assaults on my team as most ppl try to take the assault first.

Trouble is you only get see the good from the bad normally after first contact, but by this time it's too late.

#208 Void Angel

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Posted 09 September 2013 - 12:02 PM

Even if the Atlas is being foolish, it's usually better to make the best of it. Sure, he may end up being melted down into commemmorative ingots by a flaming crucible of shame, but while he's getting melted down, the team can make use of his stupidi heroic sacrifice to at least get some licks in. Either way you're down 100 tons - it's simply a matter of whether or not you get something out of it.

#209 Pac Man

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Posted 09 September 2013 - 12:27 PM

Don't stand behind someone who is firing over a ridge or hill. They may need to back up in a hurry, and you will be in their way.

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Posted 09 September 2013 - 06:52 PM

Of course - but that's more of a "how to pay attention" level of advice, rather than tactical doctrine.

#211 Mitheledh

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Posted 10 September 2013 - 11:14 AM

What if the Atlas pilot is a timid wuss? (Been teamed up with a few too many of those)

#212 Void Angel

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Posted 10 September 2013 - 11:24 PM

So have I. The key is to all work together and try to keep moving, even if that means hanging out with the Atlas behind a rock for a while. If the Atlas isn't sure enough of himself and/or the team to engage, you may end up having to hang back for a bit, assuming no one else is available to step up; use your judgement (and words.) It's not the best situation, and you should probably use your words to suggest moving in some direction - but this entire thread is really about making the best of sub-optimal situations. =)

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Posted 13 September 2013 - 07:57 PM

what if there are two atlass'ss...i? atlai? oh man im screwed.

#214 Alaskan Nobody

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Posted 14 September 2013 - 09:38 AM

Hope they stay near eachother?

If I am in an atlas, and there are more on my side, staying near them is my first priority.

...second is winning the match
third is beating the enemy
fourth is staying alive.

#215 BOWMANGR

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Posted 14 September 2013 - 11:35 AM

PGI should release a video tutorial to help PUGs understand Role Warfare. Sometimes it's painfully apparent that many players do not understand even the very basics of role warfare which leads to roflstomp matches.

#216 John Buford

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Posted 14 September 2013 - 11:55 AM

Can we call this a Zombie thread since it won't die?

Edited by John Buford, 14 September 2013 - 11:55 AM.


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Posted 14 September 2013 - 04:50 PM

Zombie Atlas thread?

#218 Void Angel

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Posted 14 September 2013 - 10:46 PM

View PostBillHones, on 13 September 2013 - 07:57 PM, said:

what if there are two atlass'ss...i? atlai? oh man im screwed.

"Atlases." "Atlai" is not a word.
:D

#219 ChiefGeronimo

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Posted 17 September 2013 - 12:38 PM

Hey guys!


First of all, I'd like to thank you for this thread. It helped me get into the game more easily when I started playing.

Then I'd like to share my best "Follow the fracking Atlas" story. I'm a Centurion pilot and in this noteworthy battle I sat in my favourite, the CN9-A. The battle started, Frozen City, and as usual I checked my list of teammates for assaults to tag along with. My whole Alpha lance consisted of Atlas DDCs! Sure enough all of them were members of the same faction, all had the same custom paint job and they definitely acted as a team. What came next was just brutal. Alpha lance headed out, four Atlas DDC stomping into enemy territory and me, pretty green newbie that I was, in their midst. Every enemy we encountered fired a few shots, realized in just HOW MUCH trouble he was, facing four Atlases focusing fire on him, tried to turn around and died in a hail of LRMs and whatever else Alpha lance threw at him. It was breathtaking how quickly they took a mech down. I still had some troubles with piloting and aiming, so most of the times I hardly got a shot off at the enemy before they died. Needless to say, we won 12-0.

I've had lots of tougher figths since, but that game stays in my memory for the sheer feeling of awe these Atlases evoked in me.

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Posted 17 September 2013 - 01:10 PM

View PostMitheledh, on 10 September 2013 - 11:14 AM, said:

What if the Atlas pilot is a timid wuss? (Been teamed up with a few too many of those)

Well, at that point you should question his manhood.





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