106 replies to this topic

[GalaxyBluestar]

the biggest problem with this showing of stats is that it encourages braggers and napoleon wannabe's to shout the loudest. all disgusting behavior which we shouldn't have to endure so the way it is now is just fine. if you suck fine so long as you have fun, if you're good lucky you, now go and have fun playing the game and stop spamming forums with how you're DA BOSZ DAT PWNS.

[p00k]

Alexandrix, on 21 December 2012 - 11:49 PM, said:

.I fully expect troll teams to maintain alt accounts just to continue to exploit the MM.They will use these accounts purely to steamroll noobs and will afk/suicide many matches to make sure their ELO stays low enough to do so.Mark my words.

so?
so, they have to get steamrolled by noobs a bunch in order to steamroll noobs a few times

so a few noobs get beat up a few matches, while a bunch of other newbs get to beat up on suiciders for several matches. in the end just as many people benefit as get trolled. so it seems fair to me

[Zero Neutral]

I would not only like to be able to view my own stats, but to also view the stats of others.

Any one afraid of public stats is afraid of being judged for them and would rather hide behind the cloak of anonymity without developing a reputation based upon their performance. These players do not want their performance to affect who they can play with. They want other players to just be surprised when they under perform, imo.

[Zero Neutral]

[quote name='GalaxyBluestar]the biggest problem with this showing of stats is that it encourages braggers and napoleon wannabe's to shout the loudest. all disgusting behavior which we shouldn't have to endure so the way it is now is just fine. if you suck fine so long as you have fun' date=' if you're good lucky you, now go and have fun playing the game and stop spamming forums with how you're DA BOSZ DAT PWNS.[/quote']

I disagree. Bragging rights are earned. People who think otherwise have never earned any.

Not sharing stats allows people who have not earned bragging rights, to brag. Players who do not want their stats to be viewed are afkers, suiciders, or baddies. If a player judges another player based upon their perfoarmance then that is fair. If a player mis-treats another player because of their stats, then obvious dork is obvious, nothing will change that.

Statistics help to determine a player's worth.

Once the netcode is fixed and lights are no longer uber, then ELO should be implemented for ranked games. This stat should be viewable by all players and also be separate from normal stats.

Edited by Zero Neutral, 22 December 2012 - 01:14 AM.

[One Medic Army]

Or there's some people, who are actually are decent but don't brag.
Not everyone always wants to wave their e-peen around in the faces of others.

If I'm going to brag, I'll do it in a match over someone's smoking corpse, not on the forums over some number.

[Sam Slade]

Alaric the Arcane, on 21 December 2012 - 10:02 PM, said:

My point is that the people who care too much about stats being hidden are usually those who have something to hide.

You mean like criminals? Those people who get all angry when the cops want to listen to their phone calls and rummage through their stuff because they feel like it...

Your opininon is invalidated by your likeness to Mark Zuckerberg

[Zero Neutral]

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No.

With a hidden rating system, you get even matches balanced by skill. Once you make ratings public, people will find a way to cheat/break the game to buff their own ratings.
Even now people play differently (arguably less 'team-oriented,' which some already complain about) because they can see their k/d, but given that just about every modern online game has some sort of stat tracking, it would be silly to not give players access to at least this information. At the same time though, I think matchmaking will be better off with a behind-the-scenes rating for each individual. The true competitive play should be left to houses/units, which would be rated (publicly) as a team (better indicator, given that this is supposed to be a very team-based game).

I cannot disagree more with this guy. He thinks that all players with good stats are cheaters, not intelligent and experienced players with good reactions.

[Zolaz]

HRR Insanity, on 21 December 2012 - 07:48 PM, said:

There is no benefit to having ELO/MM rankings public. Keep that information internal for MM use only. Public ELO leads to bad behavior.

There is no benefit to having some people post on the forums. Please let them talk only to themselves and to internalize their personal thoughts. Public communication of their ideas leads to bad behavior.

There we go ... fixed.

[Oderint dum Metuant]

There is no ie zero reason to hide stats.
i could sit here all day and brag how im the best pilot on the planet because my stats that none of you can see says so.

Does that actually make me any good?

I'd actually counter that public stats would yield no increase or decrease in forum douchebaggery, because lets face it, suddenly the bad forum warriors have to be quiet...while the good honest players still stay quiet...and the internet trolls continue trolling.

Making stats private to foster better forum behaviour is a myth and fallacy.

One Medic Army, on 22 December 2012 - 01:19 AM, said:

Or there's some people, who are actually are decent but don't brag.
Not everyone always wants to wave their e-peen around in the faces of others.

If I'm going to brag, I'll do it in a match over someone's smoking corpse, not on the forums over some number.

Exactly, stats are math they can help shape you and your ability if PGI delve deep enough.
However it still comes down to performance on the day.

[Sarevos]

DV McKenna, on 22 December 2012 - 01:59 AM, said:

There is no ie zero reason to hide stats.
i could sit here all day and brag how im the best pilot on the planet because my stats that none of you can see says so.

Does that actually make me any good?

I'd actually counter that public stats would yield no increase or decrease in forum douchebaggery, because lets face it, suddenly the bad forum warriors have to be quiet...while the good honest players still stay quiet...and the internet trolls continue trolling.

Making stats private to foster better forum behaviour is a myth and fallacy.






Exactly, stats are math they can help shape you and your ability if PGI delve deep enough.
However it still comes down to performance on the day.

Ladder rankings and stats are fine for ranked games but your public stats shouldnt be affected by testing a new build playing with less proficient friends or training new team members since we dont have any form of training ground.

What should be public?

All info pertaining to ranked matches kills, assists, deaths how much damage done favorite mech w/l rankings and ratings.

But for general stats from non ranked play mostly your rank favored mech/class highest damage done/taken most kills in a single match how many times youve capped or overridden shutdown games played you know the fun stuff.

So people who want to validate their statements can say "look at my stats for ranked", the most valid as its from serious play on both sides (no afks, no new players, just pure skill). And casual gamers dont feel ridiculed. Win win.

Also to prevent stat padding from ever becoming a problem as ranked games would probably have a stricter system on people who dc.

Edited by Sarevos, 22 December 2012 - 04:02 AM.

[Koreanese]

I aint afraid to show my stats. Its them elitist wanna be forum warriors who has terrible stats that just dont want others to see how bad they are

[Omni Tek]

Alaric the Arcane, on 21 December 2012 - 08:30 PM, said:

People who want to keep stats/ratings/etc. hidden are just afraid that the general public will be able to see how bad they really are, even though they talk **** on the forums constantly.

actually quite the opposite people who want stats hidden don't want ot put up with kiddies ranting about their 2.0KD 94%W/L ratings, it gets really annoying.

[Sarevos]

Koreanese, on 22 December 2012 - 04:21 AM, said:

I aint afraid to show my stats. Its them elitist wanna be forum warriors who has terrible stats that just dont want others to see how bad they are

Funny... the reason I dont tout my KDR is because It doesnt matter as A. 8v8 just dropped recently (and no one even really meets us there anyway 4-6 fails to find matches before we get one on some nights) B. our stats are filled with premades vs pugs DCs, AFKers, FPS hud buggers, suiciders, lagshields new players v veterans and teams where the other side just gets 6 people v 8 for some inexplicable reason and therefore is more indicative of luck than skill. And C. it doesnt include assists so poor fire support guy gets shafted.

You should know those things...

In ranked play youll all be experienced, team-oriented and most importantly youll all be there.

Edited by Sarevos, 22 December 2012 - 04:54 AM.

[Oderint dum Metuant]

Omni Tek, on 22 December 2012 - 04:47 AM, said:

actually quite the opposite people who want stats hidden don't want ot put up with kiddies ranting about their 2.0KD 94%W/L ratings, it gets really annoying.

It's a good job, kids pick the useless stats like K/D and W/L then.
And having private stats...ie: like now....sure has stopped the padding and ranting...

[Omni Tek]

p00k, on 22 December 2012 - 12:45 AM, said:

so?
so, they have to get steamrolled by noobs a bunch in order to steamroll noobs a few times

so a few noobs get beat up a few matches, while a bunch of other newbs get to beat up on suiciders for several matches. in the end just as many people benefit as get trolled. so it seems fair to me

might be fair but you have to remember that group of newbies that gtes steam rolled might quite after their 4th or 5th time getting slaughtered...which is bad for the game.

[Sarevos]

DV McKenna, on 22 December 2012 - 04:54 AM, said:

It's a good job, kids pick the useless stats like K/D and W/L then.
And having private stats...ie: like now....sure has stopped the padding and ranting...

Point stands that its meaningless without balance changes bug fixes and ELO

[Exoth3rmic]

Actually in most games a hidden rating systems is ofc fine because you're in a ladder or your performance is viewable via some other metric i.e wins.

In MWO its a different kettle of boiled socks. You have no ranking/tournament or visible K/D etc atm and for a game where the universe is based around 'Egos' and 'Performance' and 'Heros' the only way to really create such an atmosphere is to show each pilots relative performance. As a merc - get paid accordingly.

So I say show us how bad we actually are and allow us to pull ourselves up by our boot straps ETC.

[Sarevos]

Exoth3rmic, on 22 December 2012 - 05:03 AM, said:

Actually in most games a hidden rating systems is ofc fine because you're in a ladder or your performance is viewable via some other metric i.e wins.

In MWO its a different kettle of boiled socks. You have no ranking/tournament or visible K/D etc atm and for a game where the universe is based around 'Egos' and 'Performance' and 'Heros' the only way to really create such an atmosphere is to show each pilots relative performance. As a merc - get paid accordingly.

So I say show us how bad we actually are and allow us to pull ourselves up by our boot straps ETC.

A we already know our own stats B for those who care enough we can screen shot them (photoshop is real easy to spot and anyone who does that is defective lol) C our ranking system is coming (were still in beta how can they rank us now? O_x) D there are rankings and ladders for games that have approached balance (again were in beta so balance hasnt been achieved hell we dont even have all our gear out yet) and finally, In a game with no respawns there are only 8 kills to be had per game and people regularly "clean up" kills so until assists count for the samething kdr is pointless.

Kills, as far as im concerned, are for my teams fastback dragon or jenner, Havoc is my profession.

Edited by Sarevos, 22 December 2012 - 05:13 AM.

[Wispsy]

I often see people saying "stats do not tell you anything anyway so no need to show them" or some similar variation....
Is not ELO the best one to show? It is literally a comparison of how good you are compared to other people...
Why would you hide it? So really bad people can arbitrarily claim great skill and understanding on the forums without displaying it in game?

[Sarevos]

Wispsy, on 22 December 2012 - 05:14 AM, said:

I often see people saying "stats do not tell you anything anyway so no need to show them" or some similar variation....
Is not ELO the best one to show? It is literally a comparison of how good you are compared to other people...
Why would you hide it? So really bad people can arbitrarily claim great skill and understanding on the forums without displaying it in game?

ELO IS THE ONE YOU SHOULD SHOW all the others are fairly pointless was my point.

Edited by Sarevos, 22 December 2012 - 05:18 AM.