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[Regina Redshift]

I'll be using the Cyborg X and trying not to feel inadequate.
Depending on how the game plays, I may use the hated MW3 joystick and mouse combo.

[Thomas Hogarth]

Flight sims are different than 'Mech sims. There is more emphasis on your center detent(specifically the smoothness thereof), ability to fire more than two groups of weapons without mode switching, and a solid throttle.

Most of your common joysticks are understandably built with flight sims in mind, where a rough or large center detent isn't as important.

The x45 and x52 in particular have large and clunky center detents. Not as much of an issue when you're pulling Gs and trying to aim at another fighter, but rather when you're trying to perform fine aiming motions near center.

For that reason, I choose CH Products sticks. Almost as important is their reliability. I had a CH Flightstick Pro for almost ten years with no failures. As far as I know, it still works on the setup belonging to the individual I gave it to. Finally you have the price point. Many may complain that they are expensive at $50-120, but compare to a Logitech stick you get at best buy for $30-50: The Logitech will likely need replacement inside of two or three years, while the CH will in all likelyhood still be functioning. The combined total of replacement Logitechs exceeds the price of many CH sticks over that relatively short term, and the CH stick becomes much less expensive over the long term, on top of the greater center axis accuracy.

Edited by Thomas Hogarth, 23 May 2012 - 01:54 PM.

[Rejarial Galatan]

OnLashoc, on 22 May 2012 - 11:00 PM, said:

Are you being serious? lol

Game pads are the same thing as a joysticks, just different form factor. The computer will read / detect the drivers, and list it in the Input devices. In fact there are no drivers that comes with the gamepad as windows has included them with the OS.

When they say they are "Supporting" a particular device, that means they have tested and listed it among working devices with their product. Any other devices are a crap shoot if they will work or not, and given the history and use of this device with many "NON-declaring Supporting" products that it does and has worked with, I will bet you it works with MW:O, if not at initial attempts, I'm sure I'll be able to find a way to get it to work, and if all else fails, I will simply use keyboard and mouse

So just because they didn't "Say" they are supporting gamepads, does not mean gamepads will not work.

Man I almost tinkled a little lol

um. yes, i am serious, and NO they are NOT the same thing as joysticks. Proof courtesy of an online dictionary:


joy·stick
   [joi-stik] control stick of an airplane, tank, or other
2.
. a lever resembling this, used to control movement of a or other graphic element for video games computer[/color] graphics. Compare mouse ( def. 4 ) , stylus.
3.
any leverlike controlling, manipulating, guiding, or the like.


gamepad noun

• a type of game controller held in both hands and controlled with the thumbs

edit: removed a ton of hex color codes.

Edited by Rejarial Galatan, 23 May 2012 - 04:46 PM.

[Joeseph Pierce]

Currently got a Extreme 3D Pro (logitech....lasted 5 years and still kicking)

hoping for X52 Pro...NEED ME A HOTAS!

[Cold3y3s]

I found a Thrustmaster T-Flight HOTAS X for $50 on amazon, and yes it is awesome.

[CaveMan]

Thomas Hogarth, on 23 May 2012 - 01:53 PM, said:

Flight sims are different than 'Mech sims. There is more emphasis on your center detent(specifically the smoothness thereof), ability to fire more than two groups of weapons without mode switching, and a solid throttle.

Most of your common joysticks are understandably built with flight sims in mind, where a rough or large center detent isn't as important.

The x45 and x52 in particular have large and clunky center detents. Not as much of an issue when you're pulling Gs and trying to aim at another fighter, but rather when you're trying to perform fine aiming motions near center.

This is why I love my x65f. The stick doesn't move; it senses your hand pressure for the main three axes, like the control stick in the F-16. Thus there is no spring-loaded center detent to interfere with your movements.

[Rejarial Galatan]

ive sat in the falcon, and its control stick does move, not a whole lot, but, it does move. god i love airshows XD

[iamunkle]

Project Dark Fox, on 23 May 2012 - 12:11 AM, said:

I need to know where the hell you got that. I'm taking a loan out for it.

correct me if im wrong, but that setup was initialy for another style of mech' game...and it was limited edition, sold for bout 400$
or something crazy.

ive searched...and searched...

theres couple hundred made. maybe even just 100 =S

and they're off the grid.



i could be wrong,
and this setup is purchasable.

reasearch time.

[Sarxos]

Got my logitech extreme 3d pro. It helped me make it through mechwarrior 4 back in the day and it should do just fine now

[Aethon]

iamunkle, on 24 May 2012 - 12:17 AM, said:

correct me if im wrong, but that setup was initialy for another style of mech' game...and it was limited edition, sold for bout 400$
or something crazy.

ive searched...and searched...

theres couple hundred made. maybe even just 100 =S

and they're off the grid.



i could be wrong,
and this setup is purchasable.

reasearch time.

That was from Steel Battalion...and ebay is pretty much the only place to find it, although it'll pop up on Amazon from time to time....there are several for sale on Amazon at the moment, for much less than 400, as long as you don't need one still sealed in the box, never opened.

Link: http://www.amazon.co...&condition=used

Edited by Aethon, 24 May 2012 - 12:30 AM.

[Infan3man]

I'm going to whip out the old Microsoft sidewinder that I kept for the last ten year just for this occasion. :-) We'll see if it still works lol.

[Kifferson von doober]

Picked up a thrustmaster hotas x last month and getting aquainted with it on mw4. Nice budget stick, aiming is a touch indestinct mind. too used to a high dpi mouse!

[Karaya1]

no0ne, on 23 May 2012 - 12:13 PM, said:

mouse to control a mech?? say it not true. the evil company no longer owns this game. we need joysticks to drive are mech.

Yea, I hope you wont be able to use mouse to aim like in common action games, because that would make joysticks instantly obsolete.

Joystick is a thing that actually got me to play MW. I had it for flight sims, and I was thinking what other games I can play with it. Then I remembered I liked Mechcommander a lot, so I bought Mechwarrior 4 Vengeance too see what is it like. I loved it, not only because the mechs, but also because how they feel controlled with a stick, just feels right. Also, what I saw in MW cinematics, mechs are actually controlled by joysticks in battletech (correct me if I am wrong). It would be so much shame if they made it so mouse gives you free aiming reticle to move around, something joystick can't compare with.

[Aethon]

Karaya1, on 24 May 2012 - 01:27 AM, said:

Yea, I hope you wont be able to use mouse to aim like in common action games, because that would make joysticks instantly obsolete.

Joystick is a thing that actually got me to play MW. I had it for flight sims, and I was thinking what other games I can play with it. Then I remembered I liked Mechcommander a lot, so I bought Mechwarrior 4 Vengeance too see what is it like. I loved it, not only because the mechs, but also because how they feel controlled with a stick, just feels right. Also, what I saw in MW cinematics, mechs are actually controlled by joysticks in battletech (correct me if I am wrong). It would be so much shame if they made it so mouse gives you free aiming reticle to move around, something joystick can't compare with.

Cool as this would be, I doubt it'll happen; they'd be cutting themselves off from potential customers who don't own a joystick.

That said, I never lost a VL 1v1 when I was playing Mechwarrior 4 online, and that was with various joysticks vs. people using mice. As long as you're used to your equipment, you can mitigate any advantage theirs might offer. Might before metal, sword arm over steel.

[Karaya1]

Aethon, on 24 May 2012 - 01:57 AM, said:

Cool as this would be, I doubt it'll happen; they'd be cutting themselves off from potential customers who don't own a joystick.

That said, I never lost a VL 1v1 when I was playing Mechwarrior 4 online, and that was with various joysticks vs. people using mice. As long as you're used to your equipment, you can mitigate any advantage theirs might offer. Might before metal, sword arm over steel.

Yes I agree, and I hope it will be that well balanced. It would be stupid of them to make joystick-only game. What I had in mind is that if mouse control will be like in FPS shooters, that means you see enemy, and you instantly move your cursor on him and shoot, then joysticks wont be able to compare with that. I hope torso rotation speed, and maybe slow moving arms will make this kind of play with mouse impossible, and thus leveling the field with joysticks. I dont doubt that joysticks will have advantage in control of mech movement, which if fine, since that is what they are made for. I dont remember how it was with mouse in MW4, not sure if I even tried it.

Also, I played MW4 for single player fun, I wasnt playing it on joystick because I would need an advantage. MW:O is a multiplayer game only, so if mouse will be simply better, it leaves me no option but to play with a mouse

[Andrimner]

Although I have a x52 pro I'll most likely use mouse + the nostromo since this is pvp. I will try it ofc but the x52 is a nightmare to get working and set up for any game really.

I would like some pedals though. Not sure what to pick for that.

[CaveMan]

Rejarial Galatan, on 24 May 2012 - 12:01 AM, said:

ive sat in the falcon, and its control stick does move, not a whole lot, but, it does move. god i love airshows XD

Yeah, originally the stick was rigid, but they found that pilots were pulling too hard on it and over-controlling the plane, because they were used to moving sticks I guess.

Once you get used to the weirdness of the X65 though, it's brilliant.

[AU518987077]

I Will be also using the Logiteck G940, but i am hoping the developers realise that after the drivers are installed, it shows up as three indavidual Devices, not a singluar device.

Edited by AU518987077, 24 May 2012 - 06:16 AM.

[Erik Ouzbel]

I'm going to be using my old Saitek x45. It works well enough in MWLL, so I don't expect any problems here, other than maybe flipping the throttle axis.

[TheJuggernaut]

Well since this is not a flying game i won't be using my joystick something weird about using it for a game thats ground based lol, so i will be using my mouse and keyboard.