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[Ikarti Danaro]

Most of the people in this thread are people I have never played 8 mans against because they don't play or were just so forgettably bad I can't remember you.

The teams who play a lot of 8 mans know what teams are usually out there given a certain time zone. Most of them aren't commenting in this thread and if they are they're telling you to quit being a bunch of cowards and play 8 mans. You're not going to get any better through pubstomping unless you're really bad to begin with.

I am ready to hear accusations that I want to roll bad 8 mans and yes, I absolutely do. But I also want more teams and none of you guys are going to be real competition if you hide in 4 mans. Until then, shut up about 8 mans and let those of us using it for its intended purpose enjoy it.

Edited by Ikarti Danaro, 31 December 2012 - 02:51 PM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Faldrin, on 31 December 2012 - 02:17 PM, said:

Nothing stopping 4 man's from...well manning up and dropping 8 man's? Just face it guys you like pug stomping as it keeps the stat's up.

just tried to drop in an 8 man with 4 man..... didn't work......maybe BECAUSE I WAS LACKING THE OTHER FOUR MEN?

But of course, good sir, you certainly know all things, and are a reader of hearts and intentions. Come quickly lord Jesus, and show us evil pugstomping players the error of our ways............

[Roland]

Faldrin, on 31 December 2012 - 02:17 PM, said:

Nothing stopping 4 man's from...well manning up and dropping 8 man's? Just face it guys you like pug stomping as it keeps the stat's up.

Er... you realize that you actually can't drop in the 8 man queue unless you have exactly 8 men, right?

[Gallowglas]

We're not playing 8v8's because we usually don't have exactly 8 players on. We'd be happy to queue up with 5-7 players and have the matchmaker try to pit us against another group of 5-7 players or, failing that, even a full premade.

[Ikarti Danaro]

Focus on recruitment then or something. No excuses.

[Ghogiel]

Roland, on 31 December 2012 - 03:05 PM, said:

Er... you realize that you actually can't drop in the 8 man queue unless you have exactly 8 men, right?

I think he means that if you go on comstar or NGNG you will find dozens and dozens of 4man groups. Many of whom are just randoms linking up to pugstomp as 4mans when actually they could just as well be doing 8mans. I could be wrong though.

[Faldrin]

Bishop Steiner, on 31 December 2012 - 02:57 PM, said:

just tried to drop in an 8 man with 4 man..... didn't work......maybe BECAUSE I WAS LACKING THE OTHER FOUR MEN?

But of course, good sir, you certainly know all things, and are a reader of hearts and intentions. Come quickly lord Jesus, and show us evil pugstomping players the error of our ways............

And as you have told us cry baby pugs so shall I tell thee!

Use TS3 and get 4 random's

The point is Yokaiko told us little pugs to change are play style and get random's but when I say it to you 4 man pre-made's I get this....

Just shows its all about the easy ride right Bishop?

Edited by Faldrin, 31 December 2012 - 03:11 PM.

[KingNobody]

Highly competitive play full of identical "OP" builds? Who woulda thunk it? All the guys who were too good for playing in the regular queue really just running cheesebuilds? Inconceivable! 8v8 drops ruined by stat-mongering douches? No one coulda seen that coming! This is all very very shocking news.

[Ikarti Danaro]

Try to recruit people by playing with them and seeing how they are and how they fit, not by spamming recruitment macros as you roll over a pug, directing them to a site with a tedious timewaster application for people who are really too ******* self-important for video games.

Just a suggestion.

[Ghogiel]

Ikarti Danaro, on 31 December 2012 - 03:18 PM, said:

Try to recruit people by playing with them and seeing how they are and how they fit, not by spamming recruitment macros as you roll over a pug, directing them to a site with a tedious timewaster application for people who are really too ******* self-important for video games.

Just a suggestion.

In fact I've been in many battles where that recruitment macro has gotten the pug team to tighten up and we end up owning shop. PUGs mutual hatred for the pugstomping boogeyman can be kinda fun sometimes.

[SVK Puskin]

Unfortunatelly i can drop only with one friend so far, 3rd lancemate will join us soon.

[ReD3y3]

People are afraid to run 8s. I go into the public TS all the time and see 10-12 ppl form the same clan in the same channel. They are playing 4s. I ask them for a sync drop and more often than not they are not interested. They are just dropping 4s.

In JadeWolf we play 8s almost instantly (if our 8 doesnt consist of 6 sibkos or something crazy) when 8 get on

You people that drop 4s need to grow a pair and come play 8s. Yea we will wreck your sh***it. But how else are you going to get better and learn ?

JadeWolf is looking for skilled/knowledgable scrim partners BTW. (we like 2-2-2-2 or any RHoD format, but are more than OK with no limit drops)

Hit us up here: http://www.jade-wolf.com/


Oh and the excuse that people only run D-DC and 3Ls, and that is what keeps people from 8s is absurd.
Going heavy is not an auto win, not by any means. Actually teams that are comprised mainly of Atlas' are at a HUGE disadvantage positioning wise, and we crush these team frequently.

Teams that are balanced with lights/heavies/Assault are the teams that are by far the hardest to deal with.

Basically.... come play 8s.... get your shi*****t smashed for a week and learn the meta. Get better. Then try to give JadeWolf some competition.



KTHXBYE

Edited by ReD3y3, 31 December 2012 - 06:41 PM.

[Greyfyl]

Yokaiko, on 31 December 2012 - 07:20 AM, said:

Nothing stopping solo droppers from grouping up.

This type of thinking is just ridiculous. Almost all new players are going to be in a pug situation to start, and the pug experience is horrible right now. Horrible.

This 'group up or get out' mentality is quickly ruining the game by elimination of any new playerbase. It's not rocket science.

[Greyfyl]

ReD3y3, on 31 December 2012 - 06:31 PM, said:

People are afraid to run 8s. I go into the public TS all the time and see 10-12 ppl form the same clan in the same channel. They are playing 4s. I ask them for a sync drop and more often than not they are not interested. They are just dropping 4s.

In JadeWolf we play 8s almost instantly (if our 8 doesnt consist of 6 sibkos or something crazy) when 8 get on

You people that drop 4s need to grow a pair and come play 8s. Yea we will wreck your sh***it. But how else are you going to get better and learn ?

JadeWolf is looking for skilled/knowledgable scrim partners BTW. (we like 2-2-2-2 or any RHoD format, but are more than OK with no limit drops)

Hit us up here: http://www.jade-wolf.com/


Oh and the excuse that people only run D-DC and 3Ls, and that is what keeps people from 8s is absurd.
Going heavy is not an auto win, not by any means. Actually teams that are comprised mainly of Atlas' are at a HUGE disadvantage positioning wise, and we crush these team frequently.

Teams that are balanced with lights/heavies/Assault are by far the teams that are by far the hardest to deal with.

Basically.... come play 8s.... get your shi*****t smashed for a week and learn the meta. Get better. Then try to give JadeWolf some competition.



KTHXBYE

You are forgetting one thing - most people will gravitate to the easy path. Most players doing premades don't want true competition, they like having an advantage. I get that - hell, I did some premades today because I was fed up with the whole pug experience. What gets me though is the god awful lame excuses that these people not only come up with, but then hang onto with every fiber of their body just to be able to keep their pugstomping ways. Just man up and admit that you do premades for the advantage that you have over the pugs.

[ReD3y3]

Greyfyl, on 31 December 2012 - 06:42 PM, said:

You are forgetting one thing - most people will gravitate to the easy path. Most players doing premades don't want true competition, they like having an advantage. I get that - hell, I did some premades today because I was fed up with the whole pug experience. What gets me though is the god awful lame excuses that these people not only come up with, but then hang onto with every fiber of their body just to be able to keep their pugstomping ways. Just man up and admit that you do premades for the advantage that you have over the pugs.

I get that and I run 4s alot also. It is to farm Cbills from baddies and have some fun with cheese builds or to try new builds that may not be ready for 8s yet.

None of that is as fun as a competitive game of 8s. When two teams that are evenly matched run into each other... it is some of the most fun that can be had on the internet... period.


We need more people that are willing to take thier lumps and get better. How do we change that mindset or get these people ?

Maybe keep the 2 queues as we have now, but chang them.

Make one queue a solo drop. No groups. Just lonewolfs only.

The other queue is for groups. Has to be 4 man or 8 man. Nothing inbetween. No 2,3,5,6,7.
Put the 4s in with the 8s. Two 4s get grouped against an 8 or two 4s can get dropped against another two 4s, or 8s against 8s.

No more farming baddies with your buddies. 8s always have comp to play against. smaller groups can still play together.

Cons?
4s cry about 8s. Ironically, with the same cries that pugs have vs 4s. And 8s give 4s the same response 4s gave to pugs.

Find your own 8 man to run with its easy join a public TS. (sound familiar ?) ROFL

[Gwaihir]

ReD3y3, on 31 December 2012 - 06:31 PM, said:

People are afraid to run 8s. I go into the public TS all the time and see 10-12 ppl form the same clan in the same channel. They are playing 4s. I ask them for a sync drop and more often than not they are not interested. They are just dropping 4s.

In JadeWolf we play 8s almost instantly (if our 8 doesnt consist of 6 sibkos or something crazy) when 8 get on

You people that drop 4s need to grow a pair and come play 8s. Yea we will wreck your sh***it. But how else are you going to get better and learn ?

JadeWolf is looking for skilled/knowledgable scrim partners BTW. (we like 2-2-2-2 or any RHoD format, but are more than OK with no limit drops)

Hit us up here: http://www.jade-wolf.com/


Oh and the excuse that people only run D-DC and 3Ls, and that is what keeps people from 8s is absurd.
Going heavy is not an auto win, not by any means. Actually teams that are comprised mainly of Atlas' are at a HUGE disadvantage positioning wise, and we crush these team frequently.

Teams that are balanced with lights/heavies/Assault are the teams that are by far the hardest to deal with.

Basically.... come play 8s.... get your shi*****t smashed for a week and learn the meta. Get better. Then try to give JadeWolf some competition.



KTHXBYE

Whole lotta correct stuff in this post. Whoooole lot.

[Vermaxx]

Winning with less effort is always more fun than grinding your face off until you improve. Aside from the fact that many people aren't here TO get to competition level. Joining a "unit" means nothing, it just increases your chances to find people for four man groups more often. People who actually want to play in 8s do it, "unit" or not.

This situation was the only possible outcome of making premade groups 8-man-only, and a lot of us said this for a long time before it happened. And yet the forums preached [premade only] as the solution queue. Well, something DID have to change about how bad it was to be able to just 'win' if you had a 5+ group. The end result isn't great, but it is a hell of a lot better.

Many people in this game don't WANT to be "competition level players." They aren't here to esports, or any of the other buzzwords associated with taking a video game beyond fun and into professional...if such a thing can be said about playing video games.

There IS no meta game. There is only building an effective mech. We are waiting for the meta game to get frakking installed. When it does, maybe there will be a point to 8 man teams. Right now, the only reason to play is to amass currency and xp. You do that much faster and more successfully in 4 man groups.

Hopefully, CW has somewhere for you esports people to go and let you completely ignore the meta game. Because it will, most likely, continue to be dominated by 4 man groups (possibly 6 if map limits increase). Hopefully you get a planet where you can go, because a full 8 man group in a combat planet lobby means most of your enemies just leave and go to some other fight.

[Congzilla]

8 vs 8 with no balncing is a bad joke, I'd rather drop pug matches by myself than waste my time with that stupid BS.

[Dihm]

I, and many of my people, don't enjoy the mech makeup found in 8vs8, and the requirement to run specific mechs and builds.

[Zylo]

ReD3y3, on 31 December 2012 - 06:50 PM, said:

I get that and I run 4s alot also. It is to farm Cbills from baddies and have some fun with cheese builds or to try new builds that may not be ready for 8s yet.

None of that is as fun as a competitive game of 8s. When two teams that are evenly matched run into each other... it is some of the most fun that can be had on the internet... period.


We need more people that are willing to take thier lumps and get better. How do we change that mindset or get these people ?

Maybe keep the 2 queues as we have now, but chang them.

Make one queue a solo drop. No groups. Just lonewolfs only.

The other queue is for groups. Has to be 4 man or 8 man. Nothing inbetween. No 2,3,5,6,7.
Put the 4s in with the 8s. Two 4s get grouped against an 8 or two 4s can get dropped against another two 4s, or 8s against 8s.

No more farming baddies with your buddies. 8s always have comp to play against. smaller groups can still play together.

Cons?
4s cry about 8s. Ironically, with the same cries that pugs have vs 4s. And 8s give 4s the same response 4s gave to pugs.

Find your own 8 man to run with its easy join a public TS. (sound familiar ?) ROFL

Do you really think this would work?

Take the 4+4 sync-drop groups we have now. If they were forced to play in full 8 player teams or run solo what do you think they would do?

Sync-drop solo of course. If a few ended up in the same game there would really be no change from the current system we have today.