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#1 paladin yst

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 10:46 AM

The sync droppings and the unfair advantage worthless premade have over pug is once again ignored by pgi.

These worthless premades who boasts to be organised etc etc.. are nothing more than ametuer pilots who lack the skills to face real challenges in 8v8. Griefers know they dont have the skill to back up their claims are too incompetent that they have to resort to sync dropping, which personally I find laughable.
Once again premades escaped facing skill pilots and sadly pgi does nothing to stop such boring griefers ruining the community.

Why is such behavior continues to get rewarded by pgi? A simple pug vs pug, premade vs premade couldve solved this problem very easily.

The lack of skill from these worthless griefing premades is the single most game ruining thing in game atm. I`ve ran into so many premades, it happens in every single game, as far as i can tell its beyond 8/10 games, I dont mind the occasional small premades as they r pretty easy to kill, afterall only incompetent pilots need a griefing grp to get things done.

But anyway the insane sync dropping of 2-4 man grps and with 2 grps stacking on 1 side its nothing more than the old griefing era before matchmaking phase 1.

Why is griefing still tolerated in the game?

Edited by paladin yst, 05 January 2013 - 10:47 AM.


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Posted 05 January 2013 - 10:49 AM

Just look at the hostage thread, the mods closed that <snip>.

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 10:52 AM

Here is the official thread regarding in-game Griefing: http://mwomercs.com/...ploitsgriefing/

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Greetings Mechwarriors,

The purpose of this announcement is to clarify our position on some contentious issues: Exploits and Griefing.

While the developers continue to integrate balances to help prevent these occurrences, we will be stepping up sanctions for players who are found to be engaging in the activities described below.

We would like to remind everyone that our Code of Conduct and Terms of Use apply both in-game and on the forums. It is our right to remove players who, for their own entertainment, intentionally degrade the gaming experience of others.

If you would like to report a player for violations, please submit a ticket to Support.
We follow-up all such cases with an investigation and privately contact the abusive players. Continued abuse results in increasing sanctions being imposed. Please be patient while we investigate each report: we review all cases, and in these situations we will be following-up with users privately. In order to protect user privacy, we will not share the result of your report with anyone.

Do not post grievances on the forums, as this is a violation of our Name & Shame Policy.
Please conduct yourselves accordingly. If you have any questions, please contact one of our Community or Staff Moderators.

Any repeated abuses of the exploits discussed below may result in either a suspension or ban being imposed on the deviant player’s account. We will update this list as needed based on future encounters.

Team Killing Abuse
Team Killing is a deviant result of the Friendly Fire mechanic, which increases the strategic importance of location and coordination in fighting. Accidental Friendly Fire is expected. However, we will not be tolerating players who repeatedly abuse this mechanic to grief their team-mates by killing them. Please refrain from retaliating against somebody who may have accidentally shot you due to a bug or confusion.

Mech Suicide Abuse
Some players have been repeatedly finding ways to destroy their ‘Mechs as quickly as possible.
This behaviour denies an otherwise healthy team of an active member, and makes the battle imbalanced. As such, this is prohibited and includes instances of players intentionally and repeatedly running out of bounds, or into the enemy team without tactical intent, or any other way in which a player has found to be self-destructing their `Mech.

Away From Keyboard Abuse
If a player has joined a match, they must have launched the game with intent to play. Players who are not moving, or are otherwise not participating in the spirit of the game, fall under this category. While we all understand the call of nature: Repeated abuse of this behaviour, similarly to 'Mech Suicide and Team Killing, results in an unfair advantage for the enemy teams, and is thus not considered acceptable use. Please keep in mind that idling on your cap point without armour or moving does not constitute a form of tactical "Base Defense".

Third-Party Scripts, Hacks, Bots, etc. Abuse
Software that gives players an unfair and undue advantage, or otherwise exploits the game, are strictly prohibited. This includes, but is not limited to: Bots generated for running any of the above mentioned forms of griefing/exploits, scripts designed to negatively affect network connectivity, mods affecting the game UI, hacks providing information otherwise unavailable to the player, etc...
Exceptions to this are made on a case by case basis and currently including chat macros and third-party VoIP.


Reporting individuals to Support give the Support STaff a chance to review their actions and perform any account-related actions that are needed.

There is a Code of Conduct on the forums, and calling hundreds and hundreds of this Game's players "Worthless" is very insulting and demeaning.

There is more information available about Matchmaking in the Command Chair, speficially the information regarding the skill-based systems being developed.

Edited by Prosperity Park, 05 January 2013 - 10:55 AM.


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Posted 05 January 2013 - 10:53 AM

Let them pad their stats for the up coming ranking.

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 10:54 AM

Phase 3 Matchmaking.

#6 paladin yst

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 11:09 AM

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Reporting individuals to Support give the Support STaff a chance to review their actions and perform any account-related actions that are needed.


The whole grp is griefing lol am i suppose to report all 8 players? sometimes its 2 premade from 2 dif grp, so in the end they will abuse other players and say xoxo u got griefed by xxx clan etc etc.

Phase 3 matchmaking and the ladder thingy is pretty much useless in solving this, a premade will always have unfair advantage and because of their lack of skill they have to resolve to cheating via communication. Pugs will always lose out on that and have to constantly check chats and map.

Its pretty simple, premade cant deal with skills that that claimed to have but doesnt, thats why they dropped out from 8v8 which pgi graciously gave them so they can prove their skills but apparently they dont have the balls to que it coz they get owned again and again but pilots with real skill.

Left with no where to go and incompetent enough to do anything solo, they sync drop into pugs to make themselves feel potent again, ruining the community.

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 11:11 AM

I have no sympathy for you or any other pug. You are ruining the game with your ill informed whining that has steered PGI down more than a few wrong paths with this game's development. Premade groups didn't want Phase 2 of matchmaking. We don't want Phase 3, as described, either. Pug whining forced it upon us and now everyone must suffer.

KaoS managed to get one 8v8 sync drop against our intended opponents (Antares Scorpions) in about 2 hours the other night. Luckily this wasn't a league game and nothing was at stake, but, believe me, you do not even begin to understand how frustrating matchmaking is on the other side of the fence.

Before you rant about KaoS doing sync'd 4 man drops, we don't.

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 11:13 AM

This thread is not a General Discussion about MechWarrior: Online, but rather a discussion about the users. Specifically, it's a Discussion about how anyone in a 4-man group is a low-skill, VoIP-using cheater. As such, this thread is being moved to Off Topic to go along with the other threads that discuss players instead of discussing the game.

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 11:20 AM

View PostD34K, on 05 January 2013 - 11:11 AM, said:

I have no sympathy for you or any other pug. You are ruining the game with your ill informed whining that has steered PGI down more than a few wrong paths with this game's development. Premade groups didn't want Phase 2 of matchmaking. We don't want Phase 3, as described, either. Pug whining forced it upon us and now everyone must suffer.

KaoS managed to get one 8v8 sync drop against our intended opponents (Antares Scorpions) in about 2 hours the other night. Luckily this wasn't a league game and nothing was at stake, but, believe me, you do not even begin to understand how frustrating matchmaking is on the other side of the fence.

Before you rant about KaoS doing sync'd 4 man drops, we don't.


This, this, and this again.

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 11:57 AM

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Before you rant about KaoS doing sync'd 4 man drops, we don't.


So what lol, a few honorable clans, u and ur opponent plus a few more, vs like what 100+ other clans who did the exact opposite.

But heck premades must be destroyed, its very simple, but then it requires u guys to have the balls to fight premade vs premade and leave pugs vs pugs.

Guess premade cant survive without griefing pugs, few more match making updates and I hope premades will be greatly reduced, as of now, feel lucky that pgi still supports griefers like u guys.

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 12:11 PM

View Postpaladin yst, on 05 January 2013 - 11:57 AM, said:


So what lol, a few honorable clans, u and ur opponent plus a few more, vs like what 100+ other clans who did the exact opposite.

But heck premades must be destroyed, its very simple, but then it requires u guys to have the balls to fight premade vs premade and leave pugs vs pugs.

Guess premade cant survive without griefing pugs, few more match making updates and I hope premades will be greatly reduced, as of now, feel lucky that pgi still supports griefers like u guys.


Soo everyone must conform to your way of playing? Throw another fit, as it is very productive. Because someone wants to play with friends they are banished to hell? You probably were in the same group that couldn't figure out a Streak or Gauss Cat either? Plus its not griefing, or is everyone that beats you griefing?

Also in a language you can understand...*******(B I T E M E)

Edited by Irvine, 05 January 2013 - 12:11 PM.


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Posted 05 January 2013 - 12:21 PM

Good grief.

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 12:25 PM

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Soo everyone must conform to your way of playing? Throw another fit, as it is very productive. Because someone wants to p...


ure one of those griefers arent u lol, otherwise theres no reason why premade dont support premade vs premade, only reason that they dont is because they cant grief anynmore

Edited by paladin yst, 05 January 2013 - 12:27 PM.


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Posted 05 January 2013 - 12:45 PM

View Postpaladin yst, on 05 January 2013 - 12:25 PM, said:


ure one of those griefers arent u lol, otherwise theres no reason why premade dont support premade vs premade, only reason that they dont is because they cant grief anynmore


I pug and premade. I have pugged FAR more than premade. On craptastic dorm internet no less! Also learn to type in proper english, or spanish. Not "ure" teeniebopper aW3SoMeNESS

P.S. its "u're"

P.P.S. Its not griefing

Edited by Irvine, 05 January 2013 - 12:48 PM.


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Posted 05 January 2013 - 03:12 PM

Dear OP, I'm only saying this because I care, but there are a lot of decaffinated brands on the market today that are just as tasty as the real thing.

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 03:46 PM

I cannot understand your points at all....

In order to stay on topic - and not make this a Flame post

I must ask you several questions

1: What kind of game did you think MWO was?

2: Did you think that a simulation of combat tactics would be devoid of actual tactics?

3: Was you team communicating at all with you? and Did you communicate with them?

I have been playing now for over 7 months: You will constantly loose if you don't have a plan or communicate a plan; Just Because the opposite team is planning and Communicating - is not Griefing or unfair

People don't plan to fail, they fail to plan - has always been a very true statement here:

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 05:06 PM

View Postpaladin yst, on 05 January 2013 - 11:57 AM, said:


So what lol, a few honorable clans, u and ur opponent plus a few more, vs like what 100+ other clans who did the exact opposite.

But heck premades must be destroyed, its very simple, but then it requires u guys to have the balls to fight premade vs premade and leave pugs vs pugs.

Guess premade cant survive without griefing pugs, few more match making updates and I hope premades will be greatly reduced, as of now, feel lucky that pgi still supports griefers like u guys.



One thing you still have not thought about is now with the way 8 mans are set, if you have less than 8 you CAN NOT play anything other than 4 man groups, so should the teams sit on their hands and not play 4 man while they wait on 8 peeps to get on comms or what?

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 07:33 PM

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P.S. its "u're"

Thats all u got? why not correct my entire post *****? epic fail on trying to act smart



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1: What kind of game did you think MWO was?


Worthless question

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2: Did you think that a simulation of combat tactics would be devoid of actual tactics?


Actual tactics involves unfair advantage? then why not just let ppl cheat in exams? thats a legit tactic to pass according to u. In what frikkin way is a grp with synergy, frikking preplan what mechs they have and using voip NOT having ANY advantages over pugs. So u want pugs to keep typing every frikking time they see something? have u ever brawl AND type at the same time? u kidding me right?

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3: Was you team communicating at all with you? and Did you communicate with them?

Same, if not more communication than the premade grp, example on one occasion is that im the commander(as always) put markers, set out the plan in motion, every1 if not all of the pugs followed. End up losing after killing 5 of the enemy mechs, main reason being the frikking unfair advantage these griefers have. All their equipment is optimised, they can plan how many lrmers/ecms/brawlers they need to have. Team communicated before we engage and can only reply after they get blown up or win the first wave of the brawl, obviously pugs dont have voip.

Pugs can have too much of the same kind, eg, all laserboats and no lrm at all, or all lrm and no brawlers. I`m just surprised pgi still support griefing at this stage, not long before they roll out this game, the next 2 match making phase better weed out premade once and for all. Otherwise expect a more, much much more hostile posts like this coming at a rate 10 times more.

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I have been playing now for over 7 months: You will constantly loose if you don't have a plan or communicate a plan; Just Because the opposite team is planning and Communicating - is not Griefing or unfair

People don't plan to fail, they fail to plan - has always been a very true statement here:


Dont even know where to start, read the above. Like seriously, why do I even need to explain how unfair it is for premade to be playing against pugs

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 10:26 PM

View Postpaladin yst, on 05 January 2013 - 07:33 PM, said:

Thats all u got? why not correct my entire post *****? epic fail on trying to act smart





Worthless question


Actual tactics involves unfair advantage? then why not just let ppl cheat in exams? thats a legit tactic to pass according to u. In what frikkin way is a grp with synergy, frikking preplan what mechs they have and using voip NOT having ANY advantages over pugs. So u want pugs to keep typing every frikking time they see something? have u ever brawl AND type at the same time? u kidding me right?

Same, if not more communication than the premade grp, example on one occasion is that im the commander(as always) put markers, set out the plan in motion, every1 if not all of the pugs followed. End up losing after killing 5 of the enemy mechs, main reason being the frikking unfair advantage these griefers have. All their equipment is optimised, they can plan how many lrmers/ecms/brawlers they need to have. Team communicated before we engage and can only reply after they get blown up or win the first wave of the brawl, obviously pugs dont have voip.

Pugs can have too much of the same kind, eg, all laserboats and no lrm at all, or all lrm and no brawlers. I`m just surprised pgi still support griefing at this stage, not long before they roll out this game, the next 2 match making phase better weed out premade once and for all. Otherwise expect a more, much much more hostile posts like this coming at a rate 10 times more.


Dont even know where to start, read the above. Like seriously, why do I even need to explain how unfair it is for premade to be playing against pugs


Good luck your going to need it

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 12:53 AM

Hello, My name is Pug Mcduck.

I came to this team based game all alone and i am totally disheartened that there are monstrous things such as teams, teamwork, tactics involved here....i mean how on earth am i supposed to combat this all on my OWN!!!

This is the worst design decision any game company has ever taken to allow teams, and no i absolutely refuse to find other people to play with, because out there on the internets are some very weird and some very dangerous people...not to mention all the paedophiles (so my mum says)

Can i have a single player game with super simple AI that stands still please?





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