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[Rannos]

Literally, on 05 January 2013 - 10:47 PM, said:

When you are wearing the tags of a community moderator, it is not in fact "just your opinion". You are given a mantle of authority and with it comes responsibility to act professionally.
If you were using an alt account that did not reveal your moderator identity, this would be different, but you don't do that. You 'moderate' arguments between clans while wearing banners for your own clan. You argue your personal opinion while logged in to an account that reminds others that you have power over them.

Stop stating "just your personal opinions" when you are logged in as a mod. It's unprofessional and inappropriate.

I cannot possibly agree with this more. The idea of giving someone moderation power who is biased towards a particular group they will be moderating is ridiculous enough, but giving your own personal feelings while acting as a moderator is just taking this too far. So long as you are acting as a community moderator all your expressed personal opinions will be viewed as the opinions of those who 'hired' you.

[Lykaon]

Yippie you got trolled by 8 morons it's the end of the game.ban all players who ever group and use voice chat.

It happens we all know it and guess what?

there is a very easy way to vastly reduce your exposure to griefers.

Join a premade and at least all your team will not be griefing you!

And once you have this 8 man premade go que 8 v 8 so I have something to shoot at.

Edited by Lykaon, 06 January 2013 - 12:34 AM.

[Merky Merc]

The player posting in the pics was probably just trolling...

I've played with him and it get's... aggravating, but he definitely spews all kinds of lunacy even(especially) when it's not true.

[Arcturious]

Of course it happens, it's human nature for the majority to get the biggest reward for the least effort. It has been true since the first human smashed the other on the back of the head with a rock and took his stuff. Video gaming is just the next logical progression.

Just came out of a game with 3x Atlas, 4x Raven and a Phract. I'm about 99% certain the Phract was the only PUG on that team. Still going to keep playing and wait till ELO comes in. It's not the games fault and you can't even really blame the players either - they are only human. Sure it sucks but this is a balancing act and will forever be a work in progress. Just check out all the PvP balancing in every single MMO patch release. Hell WoW has been out for like 8 years now and every patch they adjust something slightly.

Give it time, it will get better.

[elbloom]

interesting fact :
on river city the team with more premade players tend to get the base downstairs near the water.
on forest colony it´s the base on the hill near the comms tower hill.

Edited by elbloom, 06 January 2013 - 01:58 AM.

[Belkor]

MadSavage, on 05 January 2013 - 03:54 PM, said:

The entire organized community for MWO is not sync dropping to ruin PUG experience. I PUG often and have never seen it. Less than ~1% of players should not remove the 8-man and 4-man teamwork aspect of the game. Unfortuantely, it's a small price to pay for organized play.

Regardless of how rare sync dropping is, that does not justify even allowing the most remote chance of it happening. Why do you think the developers removed the 8 man pug stomping in the first place? Pug stompers detract from the experience of many players for the selfish minority - themselves.

[GODzillaGSPB]

Prosperity Park, on 05 January 2013 - 03:05 PM, said:

Sync Dropping is not considered to be a punishable exploit by the Game Developers... but performing in-game actions that are intended solely to cause undue inflammation and anger, such as Sync Dropping with the sole purpose of PUG Stomping and Taunting other Players about your Sync Drop to make Pick-Up Gamers feel jilted, is, in my opinion, a form of Griefing.

In my opinion, I feel that Sync Dropping and then TAUNTING other that you are a PUG-Stomping Sync Drop is a form of Griefing. It's the Taunting that makes it a deliberate act of Griefing, but I am not suggesting that you email Support about it at this time. I'd have to hear from the Devs/Staff whether or not this is reportable. I'll go ask.

So if they sync-drop and keep silent about it everything is okay? Why do you think do they sync drop? Because to get an advantage of course. And please don't tell me it's because 8-man-teams are rare. Sync drops are part of THAT problem as well. They rather sync-drop then face a team that might have a chance against them.

I'd also not call sync-dropers griefers. I'd call them idiots or worse. But of course I would never actually do this.

[Oderint dum Metuant]

Literally, on 05 January 2013 - 10:47 PM, said:

When you are wearing the tags of a community moderator, it is not in fact "just your opinion". You are given a mantle of authority and with it comes responsibility to act professionally.
If you were using an alt account that did not reveal your moderator identity, this would be different, but you don't do that. You 'moderate' arguments between clans while wearing banners for your own clan. You argue your personal opinion while logged in to an account that reminds others that you have power over them.

Stop stating "just your personal opinions" when you are logged in as a mod. It's unprofessional and inappropriate.

I lol'd.

He is a community mod, its voluntary and done so of his own volition (and passing whatever hoops PGI put in) to make the community a better place, he is still entitled to his own opinions, that is a reason he wears community mod tags, instead of Staff or Admin because it gives him the right to have those opinions without misleading the community, as his opinions have no influence on the actual game, its development or dispute resolution when taken higher.

Him belonging to clan means nothing, as long as he does not moderate topics relating to his own clan, there is no conflict of interest, and given his opinions he is clearly against what the clan team has done in this instance which is fairly impartial

While i disagree that sync dropping happens often, i do agree that it is below the belt and should be punished heavily, that is not PP's call to make, and the dev's don't seem to mind it (wrongly).

Anything higher than a group of 2, should be placed into the group 8 man que, and the MM should be coded quickly to balance the number of premades across both teams, it'll lead to an increase in waiting times, but that's fine.

Edited by DV McKenna, 06 January 2013 - 02:52 AM.

[Shismar]

Another dead horse.

We all know sync drops are possible and do happen. We also know that the developers are at least tolerating this.

I expect changes soon that make it impossible to sync drop onto the same team. An easy fix would be to only allow one 4 man group per side. And if not, I would not lose sleep over it. It really is a non issue.

[Elkarlo]

I have been in Sync Drops, we made them because 8 vs 8 wasn't running at that time.

First of all, it is something little lame to do it and i was not realy happy with it.
Secondly and there is more the Problem: When you push simultanosly the Button it is very likely that you end up on one side.
That should simple be looked in, that first of all the Premades are better Distributed.

Out of 6 Sync drops we had one game which were we had been splitt, ( which was a refreshing good and hard game)
I know that it isn't Statistical Proof in it, but the Chances of 75%+ ending up on one Side seems leggit as there are some Sync droppers out there.

My Personal Oppinion would be: No more then 6 Players in Premades on one side of a Game. Or Improving Numbers of Players to 12vs12

And then Distribute the Premades more evenly.
In WoT i was in Sync drops too, but there we had lot of fighting against each others, after they fixed the Problem that all Premades ended up at one side. And it was lot of Fun to fight other Premades especially when you know the Configurations they drive ( or believe to know)

So there a little work into it ( and they are working at those Topics according to the Dev Side) and the Problem will be vanished soon.

[ShadowSpirit]

There are sync drops happening in MWO?

Captain obvious is ... obvious.

[Dr Killinger]

The problem that I have is that people can drop as an 8 man, but would rather pubstomp and feel mighty than fight another organized team who will at least put up a fight. That really bugs me, and it's sad that it's causing problems in pug games.

[Moonsavage]

I sent support a letter about my mixed pug team being matched up against 8 Atlasses (In my estimation two groups of 4)
And recieved some nonsense about how the matchmaker only matches groups and mech classes fairly.

Head-in-sand.

[King Arthur IV]

watch ngng vids, he even does a count down for the viewers to drop with him.

[Sears]

Moonsavage, on 06 January 2013 - 03:57 AM, said:

I sent support a letter about my mixed pug team being matched up against 8 Atlasses (In my estimation two groups of 4)
And recieved some nonsense about how the matchmaker only matches groups and mech classes fairly.

Head-in-sand.

Well it's true, if your team had 8 assaults so would the other team premade or not.

My experience of Premades is that it's done for convenience, players can drop in and drop out without too much hassle and long pauses between games. You can have a bit of banter with the other players while playing games. 8 mans tend to happen more by accident in the dropships of the comstar I seem to find. Certain players are known to welcome it and those dropships grow until there's sufficient pilots to form an 8 man group.

Of course, there are some players who would run something like 4 D-DC Atlases with a view to pug rolling. Not a lot can be done until phase 3 comes around.

[Kaijin]

Literally, on 05 January 2013 - 10:47 PM, said:

When you are wearing the tags of a community moderator, it is not in fact "just your opinion". You are given a mantle of authority and with it comes responsibility to act professionally.
If you were using an alt account that did not reveal your moderator identity, this would be different, but you don't do that. You 'moderate' arguments between clans while wearing banners for your own clan. You argue your personal opinion while logged in to an account that reminds others that you have power over them.

Stop stating "just your personal opinions" when you are logged in as a mod. It's unprofessional and inappropriate.

I've been trying to make this point for months with the IGP management. Please submit a ticket to support. Maybe if I'm not the only one telling them this, they'll give it more thought? Now would be a particularly good time too, as I have recently submitted a ticket myself, going into some depth, based on my experience volunteering with Comstar (Kesmai) back in the MPBT days..

[Taizan]

Well OP the apologists will say this is a one in a million thing and there is nothing to worry about. Sync dropping is imo almost there where it was during Phase 1 MM.

[HC Harlequin]

Prosperity Park, on 05 January 2013 - 03:05 PM, said:

Sync Dropping is not considered to be a punishable exploit by the Game Developers... but performing in-game actions that are intended solely to cause undue inflammation and anger, such as Sync Dropping with the sole purpose of PUG Stomping and Taunting other Players about your Sync Drop to make Pick-Up Gamers feel jilted, is, in my opinion, a form of Griefing.

How many times are you going to open your mouth about this before you truly realize the people really in charge of the game don't care and have publicly said so?

[Ilwrath]

HC Harlequin, on 06 January 2013 - 06:21 AM, said:

How many times are you going to open your mouth about this before you truly realize the people really in charge of the game don't care and have publicly said so?

Oh they do care http://mwomercs.com/...c-drops-are-ok/

Phase 3 will somehow fix this. Probably by magic or voodoo.

[Dirkdaring]

elbloom, on 06 January 2013 - 01:58 AM, said:

interesting fact :
on river city the team with more premade players tend to get the base downstairs near the water.
on forest colony it´s the base on the hill near the comms tower hill.

Yep. Every map the team with the more premade players almost always start on one side of the map. You're the first to agree with me, everyone else thinks I'm nuts. When I pug I start on the same side 9 of 10 times. When my group comes on later we start on the other side 9 of 10 times.