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[Corvus Antaka]

1 master per chassis. Doubles elite bonuses. Maybe adds an extra module slot on top of exisitng +1 module slot.

Maybe in conjunction with the "heroize" your mech idea to be able to spend MC to convert a normal mech into your personal hero mech.

[blinkin]

Colonel Pada Vinson, on 22 January 2013 - 02:13 PM, said:

1 master per chassis. Doubles elite bonuses. Maybe adds an extra module slot on top of exisitng +1 module slot.

Maybe in conjunction with the "heroize" your mech idea to be able to spend MC to convert a normal mech into your personal hero mech.

i would want to be careful about not making them "better". that will just end with it replacing one or more of the original mechs and forums flooded with even more "(insert mech name here) is op". at least as far as the extra module slot. the rest of the stuff you mentioned seems pretty good.

[blinkin]

bump because this thread has not seen any light in several weeks.

[Oppresor]

blinkin, on 07 January 2013 - 01:20 PM, said:

what if after all 3 variants of a mech were mastered, a new hero type mech were unlocked that was only playable for those who reached mastery. maybe these master mechs are purchasable by only XP or MC, but any xp from one of your mastered mechs can be used along with GXP.

this would encourage people to buy more mechs, to unlock the master mechs. the developers would add more opportunities to make money from the game, players would have something else to spend XP on, and players would have something substantial to work towards.

i intended these to be seperate from the hero chassis. there would only be one master mech per mech type. these would be completely seperate from standard hero mechs (as far as my idea is concerned).

i imagine the XP price would be steep since it is spread out over at least 3 mech variants.

you might even end up with players who spend lots of money just to collect the master mechs.

For me there would have to be a C-Bill option, but in principle this is a brilliant idea. This could be a way of getting really special Mechs like the Black Knight.

[shotokan5]

Sounds like a great idea with something to shot for. Sweet idea.

[Death Mallet]

I don't think it should be a mech variant others cannot get, or that is better.

Then after a surprisingly short period of time, everybody is driving only those mechs.

What it should be is:

- Custom colors/skins/decals to show off your master status
- Cbill bonus
- GXP bonus

Or something like that.

[blinkin]

Death Mallet, on 03 February 2013 - 07:58 AM, said:

I don't think it should be a mech variant others cannot get, or that is better.

Then after a surprisingly short period of time, everybody is driving only those mechs.

as i imagined them anyone could get them by investing time to earn xp.
forgot to add an addendum a made a little later to the OP. i will fix that now. as for your response:

blinkin, on 15 January 2013 - 12:39 PM, said:

have the other hero mechs taken over? i imagined these like limited access hero mechs.

i was not suggesting these be better in any way, other than maybe how they gain xp/cbill, they would be another variant. not better just different.

yen lo wang is not better than the other centurions
ilya is still balanced
flame and fang are just like the other dragons

these are all just limited access variants as far as gameplay is concerned. that is what i expected master mechs to be.

Edited by blinkin, 03 February 2013 - 01:40 PM.

[FrozenAnt]

I'm not convinced that there is a good way to balance Load outs with "Master Mechs" Although that is not to say I can't be convinced.

I think such a system would work with just vanity items such as: (Pricing not at all balanced)
10K Mexp-Free repaint Basic colors
20K Mexp-Free premium repaint
50K Mexp-Camo pattern
Etc...

Also you could do a kind of "gimp" premium time like
100k Mexp- 10% C-bill 10% GXP Boost for X time with said mech
This might give a good way for people not willing to spend money a taste of what it's like to get that boost to entice them to spend MC

Additionally, Mexp may have some type of use when Community warfare comes out like:
Mexp-> weight class Merc corp exp.

So what happens is your convert YOUR mech exp and donate to the Merc group Light/Meduim/Heavy/Assault expertiese and like you can stuff like
-5% RR cost for Merc group mission for Mediums (X drops or X time)
-10% Redeploy times for Assault mechs, Assuming they allow Hot drops (X drops or X time)
+5% Merc group structures..

etc, etc.

[Willie Sauerland]

INSEkT L0GIC, on 16 January 2013 - 06:52 PM, said:

Interesting ideas, but rather than unlocking a completely new mech I think more should be added to the Master tier options instead. Here are some ideas.


Single unlocks:

100k MXP - Master Customization
Camo Patterns & Colors get a 20% discount for the Master Mech.
Unlocks Master Mech Color Pattern & Decals when available for that mech as well.
(Other FTP games metallic textures as Veteren skins are popular like chrome, gold, bronze, etc.)

200k MXP - Ace Rewards
Master Mech earns +20% GXP & C-Bill bonus when used.
Stacks with Hero Mech bonuses if Master Mech is also a Hero Mech.

300k MXP - Free Mech Storage
Master Mech no longer takes up 1 Mech Bay, giving you a spare empty Mech Bay.
Selling the Master mech will not give yet another bay. It will just subtract the mech & the bay it occupies if sold.

100k MXP - Module Level 2 - Adds a second bonus Module slot.


Can be unlocked more than once to burn through spare MXP:

100k MXP - Rename Mech
Ability to change name of mech that displays in mech lab / mech bay selected when purchased.
(I have some I am leveling up but may use more frequently later where I chose a dumb name, spelled it wrong, or just used the default designation when I first got it.)

100k MXP - Cash Payout
Gives 500k C-Bills.

Bonuses and costs are merely suggestions. can be adjusted according to promote game balance.

These are some awesome ideas I think. I also have been toying with the idea that the "Master Mech" would be one of two things:

• An omnimech for that variant AND/OR
  
• A freely customizable look for that player's own "Hero Mech" - in other words, it would be like adding your own legend to the lore in-game (though not really). It would not necessarily convey any of the current Hero Mech abilities but would allow you to become a "Hero" in-game, if that makes sense.

I also think only one of these should be unlockable for a player given how special they are. It would mean the player has reached a truly elite status within the pilot/mech trees for that particular chassis type. As such, it should be hella expensive in both XP and C-Bill/MC cost. In fact, it might be "cheaper" to convert all XP to GXP using the current conversion capabilities to unlock it.

Just food for thought...

[Max Fury]

How about being allowed to buy the "Hero" mech without needing to spend MC? Seriously the amount of effort required would be staggering anyway, and to top it off. Battletech has so many variants that they will inevitably will have new hero mechs for some if not all the current hero mech today. This would also go towards removing the possable stigma of Pay to Win.

[Silencer84]

I like the Idea, and like to make an addition as to "why" people would want to get them.

The Master Mechs could have some sort of advanced customizeability. For example, players might be allowed to choose hardpoints (e.g. a 5-weapon-mech has 1 fixed energy/ballistic/missile each, and two more "free" hardpoints that can be filled with anything) or the armor customization only has a global limit.

Storywise, this could be played as the pilot being so good with his Mech and his hangar crew working with it for a long time so they gained the knowledge to do that.

I agree that the xp- and cBill-cost should be pretty high.

[blinkin]

Max Fury, on 03 February 2013 - 08:43 PM, said:

How about being allowed to buy the "Hero" mech without needing to spend MC? Seriously the amount of effort required would be staggering anyway, and to top it off. Battletech has so many variants that they will inevitably will have new hero mechs for some if not all the current hero mech today. This would also go towards removing the possable stigma of Pay to Win.

random people shouting P2W does not mean we should dispose of certain aspects of the game. there are also plenty of people screaming that ECM, streaks, light mechs, and many other things are ruining the game and should be removed. the hero mechs are variants that are well within the functional range of other variants. the yen lo and the pretty baby have even been accused of being pay to lose.

as for my suggestion:
these mechs are intended to be accessable by anyone who spends the time training up mechs to master level. these mechs would be purchasable with xp or mc. mc would not be a requirement only a potential shortcut.

Edited by blinkin, 15 February 2013 - 01:14 AM.

[blinkin]

bump, this thread hasn't seen daylight in almost a week.

[blinkin]

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[Beeman]

I'm down for freely obtainable hero mechs...but they'd have to be somehow inferior to paid-for hero mechs. Maybe give them like a twenty percent MC boost...or none at all, I don't know.

Having a unique variant earned solely through chassis achievements is interesting, though. Might even justify three-mech grind(I hate three-mech grind so much, you don't even know >_> ).

[blinkin]

Beeman, on 17 February 2013 - 08:55 PM, said:

I'm down for freely obtainable hero mechs...but they'd have to be somehow inferior to paid-for hero mechs. Maybe give them like a twenty percent MC boost...or none at all, I don't know.

Having a unique variant earned solely through chassis achievements is interesting, though. Might even justify three-mech grind(I hate three-mech grind so much, you don't even know >_> ).

i have seen very few who have good things to say about the current skills system.

i think they should reverse the requirements for the skill sets. to unlock elite you should need 3 (if done this way i would even be ok with increasing this number a bit) mechs from the same weight class, and to unlock master THEN you should need 3 variants from the same chassis.

[blinkin]

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[RLBell]

How about if a player has unlocked everything on three variants, he can buy the "Master" version of of that mech (for c-bills) which is similar in hardpoints and potential equipment as any of the standard variants, but has better versions of the basic and elite enhancements to unlock. The difference in performance is not that great, but it is significant. It comes with a skin add-on noting it is the mount of a long serving mechwarrior.

[blinkin]

RLBell, on 26 February 2013 - 09:22 PM, said:

How about if a player has unlocked everything on three variants, he can buy the "Master" version of of that mech (for c-bills) which is similar in hardpoints and potential equipment as any of the standard variants, but has better versions of the basic and elite enhancements to unlock. The difference in performance is not that great, but it is significant. It comes with a skin add-on noting it is the mount of a long serving mechwarrior.

part of the purpose of this idea was to allow players like my self a chance to spend some of the vast quantities of xp on some of our mechs. i currently have 221,011 xp on my catapult c4 after buying everything except the extra module slot. from what i understand i am not alone.

i would like to avoid anything that would make these directly better. they should have a unique loadout but for the most part be on par with any other variant, much like hero mechs.

i do like the idea of having their own paint scheme. maybe something scarred and battered, scratches, metal discolored by heat, maybe even some welded or riveted on armor patches.

[blinkin]

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