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[PropagandaWar]

Serapth, on 11 January 2013 - 11:16 AM, said:

Let's take the speed limit off Hunchbacks and watch a natural Raven killer emerge!




3 people called the HBK-4SP OPed???

I like my hunchy and engine speeds where they are and it is not an issue. Personally chasing them down isnt a problem because lights fight at relatively close range.

[Aidan Malchor]

The only mech that is OP is the one with a good Mechwarrior in it. I think your question is actually which mech is currently the easiest to get good scores with.

[Moonsavage]

Hitboxes on small mechs are so close together that damage gets spread - makes you have to chew through ALL their armour rather than blowing an ear off etc.

[Heart of Storm]

Voted 3L - sure theres lots of people saying 'if netcode was fixed' or 'if Streaks worked as they should'

Right now? that isnt the case, and as such that makes 3Ls a frigging nightmare in the hands of even an average pilot for all except two mech variants*

Even with netcode fixed, lagshield removed and all the other nerfs everyone wants, they're still a no-brainer as a light mech, ECM + big XL engines + a decent weapon loadout and why would you consider any other light mech?

You can have a Raven running round at 140+kph, with 2 medium lasers and 2 streaks, with an ECM and be an utter nightmare for other mech pilots.. as such its OP in that even without the gimpy bugs its such much clearly better then any other Light.. which is BS considering its meant to be a glorified radar dish.

*Mech variants that can outclass a 3L? that would be another 3L or a Jenner 7F - no missiles makes all that ECM worthless - and why I'm personally glad its the first mech I bought

[Taurick]

Elkarlo, on 11 January 2013 - 02:43 AM, said:

Thought it had the same 2x10 Configuration as an Atlas. And it would make the inner Slots for LRM 10 Useless as a single AMS would get the follow through missles down. And only the first Bunch would hit. And the best Missle Boat is still the 5M.
CT = Tag Slot. 4x Energy Slots for M-Laser close Defense.
Narc Missle Slot for LRM5 to expent enemy AMS ammo. ( they fire 3 times on a single Missle...)

You thought wrong, and because of that all your lead-on assumptions are incorrect.

3H stomps the 5M as an LRM boat, feel free to do a two man drop with me and we'll race to see who gets the more dmg

[DrVulcan]

No mech is OP IMO.
There are a couple that are hard to make a good build with, but even those you can (IE: Atlas k) if you build for a specific idea that you play well with.

[Serapth]

DrVulcan, on 11 January 2013 - 03:59 PM, said:

No mech is OP IMO.
There are a couple that are hard to make a good build with, but even those you can (IE: Atlas k) if you build for a specific idea that you play well with.

In the spirit of cheese, I've done two things tonight:


1- had a couple drinks
2- broke out my 3l.

Even pure PUGing, ive yet to die, and am averaging between 1 and 3 kills per match, even in the face of pure face rolling. That said, travelling 150km/h is making my head spin a little bit. I've already had three matches that ended 7-X, generally 7-0 or 7-whatever I managed to kill, because of the cheesemobile.


Takeaway points... premade rolls happen.
Raven 3l is cheese.



Conclusion... all PUGs should drop Raven 3ls until things are fixed.

Edited by Serapth, 11 January 2013 - 04:19 PM.

[The LoneRanger]

There are NO Over Powered mechs in this game. Only good players that who know what to do with their mechs...
A bad Pilot gets killed fast, even when he's piloting an atlas. Just because he don't know how to use the Atlas effectively.
Good pilots know how to get the best efficiency out of their mechs.
Example:
Good Raven pilot -vs- Bad Atlas pilot ---> The Raven Pilot mostly wins because he knows how to use his mech
Example 2:
Good Atlas Pilot -vs- Bad Atlas pilot ---> The better pilot wins. Reason is the same as above...

And a thing with ECM's??
They don't bother me that much. I just try to find the ECM carrier and make him disappear as a cloud of smoke, Even though that means sacrificing my mech to wipe him out. That way I at least made my team mates life little easier...

I'm rolling on a fine tuned Stalker. The configuration changes almost all the time on it, just to get it right. (Yup, used lots of time and C-Bills to get it working like I want it to.) Now I have finally started to learn how it behaves on certain situations.

[Serapth]

zST3NKx, on 11 January 2013 - 05:10 PM, said:

There are NO Over Powered mechs in this game. Only good players that who know what to do with their mechs...
A bad Pilot gets killed fast, even when he's piloting an atlas. Just because he don't know how to use the Atlas effectively.
Good pilots know how to get the best efficiency out of their mechs.
Example:
Good Raven pilot -vs- Bad Atlas pilot ---> The Raven Pilot mostly wins because he knows how to use his mech
Example 2:
Good Atlas Pilot -vs- Bad Atlas pilot ---> The better pilot wins. Reason is the same as above...

And a thing with ECM's??
They don't bother me that much. I just try to find the ECM carrier and make him disappear as a cloud of smoke, Even though that means sacrificing my mech to wipe him out. That way I at least made my team mates life little easier...

I'm rolling on a fine tuned Stalker. The configuration changes almost all the time on it, just to get it right. (Yup, used lots of time and C-Bills to get it working like I want it to.) Now I have finally started to learn how it behaves on certain situations.

I have to disagree. I well past the drunk drive limit, and still completely dominating in my 3l. Even when I make complete ***** moves, like RUNNING INTO PEOPLE! Or taking a wrong turn and drawing the fire of 6+ mechs, I never walk away with worse than a slightly yellow body....


Well, that, or everyone else playing MWO have been drinking...

Edited by Serapth, 11 January 2013 - 05:15 PM.

[The LoneRanger]

Serapth, on 11 January 2013 - 05:15 PM, said:

Or taking a wrong turn and drawing the fire of 6+ mechs, I never walk away with worse than a slightly yellow body....

Try that with a 60kph Stalker and you're busted...

[FrostPaw]

Asakara, on 11 January 2013 - 09:07 AM, said:

I wish there was a "I do not think any variant is OP" option in the poll.

I believe that if this poll had been posted this prior to the introduction of ECM some people would have said the Jenner D due to "broken hit boxes", its high speed "lagshield", and the " broken netcode". I suspect it would have been one of the more popular choices.

Post ECM: The Jenner's speed is unchanged, the hit boxes are unchanged, and netcode is the same... And it does not even make the list. Funny how things change.

Probably because you can still shoot the crap out of a Jenner with streaks and lrms.

Jenners haven't gotten better, they have just been overtaken by something more offensive. For example the ECM Cicada and ECM Commando are pretty much identical to the ECM Raven in threat but because more people use the Raven it get's more of the hate.

[IIIuminaughty]

I just voted for all because I could. I believe every mech can be beat

[Serapth]

FrostPaw, on 11 January 2013 - 05:30 PM, said:

Probably because you can still shoot the crap out of a Jenner with streaks and lrms.

Jenners haven't gotten better, they have just been overtaken by something more offensive. For example the ECM Cicada and ECM Commando are pretty much identical to the ECM Raven in threat but because more people use the Raven it get's more of the hate.

I think the Raven's broken hitboxes are a good part of it...

[Damiler]

Orgasmo, on 11 January 2013 - 10:19 AM, said:

Reported for reporting.

Reported for reporting a report

[Yasmine]

Zaptruder, on 11 January 2013 - 12:34 AM, said:

Some mechs are obviously quite OP... so lets get a community poll on which ones they think are the most OP mechs.

To me, Raven 3L is without doubt at the top of this list.

Best speed, great armaments, ECM - it can take down any other mech in this game 1 on 1. It'll even wipe out an Atlas D-DC given enough time.

It's the mech I get into when I want to play easy mode.

True that if i land all my SRM6 missiles on an Atlases head and manage to do so with the next one i can take down 2 Atlases before running out of ammo.

Double SRM6 ECM 245 XL engine Raven is the most OP mech/mech variation right now.

[Cerebelli]

Straythief, on 11 January 2013 - 04:31 AM, said:

We have some idiots in this poll. Seriously a raven? In every
Mechwarrior the raven was just one piece a s***. Did people say
It can beat an atlas dc? Hahahahaha plz stop. Remove lagshield
and what do we get then? A WALKING PIECE OF JUNK.
Light mechs should be used as scout and hit an run. Now I see them
Challange every mech because they have lagshield and somehow
there almost invicible when just running around them.

And No aiming skills are not crap. Somehow they dont
get damaged by my atlas when I fire 3x 6srm them and
you see them actually get a full hit and how they get only
1% damage.

I'm not even sure what to make of this post.

You went back on something that you seemed so adamant about within two stanzas... I mean paragraphs.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

ecm raven is sitting at 138 votes... nice, over a hundred more votes than the next highest mech.

but OP makes the game more diverse right devs?

[Serapth]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 11 January 2013 - 07:16 PM, said:

ecm raven is sitting at 138 votes... nice, over a hundred more votes than the next highest mech.

but OP makes the game more diverse right devs?

Let's be specific though. its the Raven 3l that's winning so thoroughly. Lose the ECM, and the Raven isn't even mentioned.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Serapth, on 11 January 2013 - 07:50 PM, said:

Let's be specific though. its the Raven 3l that's winning so thoroughly. Lose the ECM, and the Raven isn't even mentioned.

thats kinda the point O.o

[Zaptruder]

Yeah, the 3L is smashing it.

It nearly has more votes than the rest combined... and this is in a poll where you can choose multiple options or all of them!

Even with a hit box fix, netcode fix, knock down and all that other good stuff... it's still going to be a bizarrely powerful mech. It'll still be beyond excellent relative to all other light mechs and rival the striking capabilities of many larger mechs.

The ability to fade in and out at will, with sufficient armor to take a good amount of glancing blows, run rings around opponents... all while carrying the most OP weapon combo (ECM+streaks) makes it inherently much stronger than nearly everything else on the battle field.

You guys think you'll bowl over 3Ls running at 150k when collision is back in? As someone that has mastered a 3L, avoiding running into mechs isn't nearly as difficult as some of you are hoping it will be. Give them a wide berth, and be aware of surroundings. Tah-dah.


Without stuffing around with the mechanics of other mechs items and weapons too much... the nerf that it probably most needs is a speed nerf. Limit its max to the default engine that its running (make an exception to the engine range rule of thumb) for game balancing purposes.

At 95 kph, they're actually killable, even though still powerful and still pesky. At 140-150kph, only the most bone headed Raven pilots get capped.


As for people that think all mechs are equally balanced, you're high as a kite man. Mechs by their nature are unequal. Some are designed to be inherently better than others. The TT game never actually makes an attempt to balance mechs individually. Nor weapons individually. There are joke and flavour mechs like the Urbanmech that are clearly not worth their tonnage, or their mech slot.

But some degree of imbalance is acceptable. It gives variety and interest in the battlefield.

The stock Raven 3L - the countermeasure scout is also well balanced... but when min-maxed, it becomes an absolute monster running in contradiction to the rest of the game. It's pretty much standing in a seperate league. It's more potent than a normal clan mech at this point in time there's no doubt of it.

The inability to admit this much pretty much renders your opinions null and void.


The only reason we don't see the Raven 3L as every single mech... is because it honestly gets boring to run in a mech that good every match. People develop a sense of shame about these things you know?