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[Vassago Rain]

hammerreborn, on 14 January 2013 - 12:21 PM, said:

Neither the commando, cicada, or atlas varients have canon versions in this timeline that had ECM, meanwhile the two raven varients that don't have it should. Canon means nothing when it comes to getting ECM or not. The only reason Jenners didn't get it is that the forums though a giant fit as soon as it was announced because god forbid people not be giant QQing baby doomsayers.

Though with the recent weapon balance post if the machine gun buff goes through next patch Spiders could make excellent kill stealers/crit seekers. TAG and let the LRMS expose some armor, pop in, blow off any exposed sections with the double MGs, and bolt. Think how awesome these things will be at legging lights.

There's no 'canon ECM variants.' It's a piece of gear you put in any mech you'd like, like a BAP.

It's not like WoW with unique raid items.

[Kelito]

Maybe they could put the ability for it to climb up and stick to walls, then shut down to spot on night maps...That would be fun to do!

Edit: Then jump on an assault mechs back and begin drilling into their core! WOOT!

Edited by Kelito, 14 January 2013 - 01:27 PM.

[Vassago Rain]

Kelito, on 14 January 2013 - 01:20 PM, said:

Maybe they could put the ability for it to climb up and stick to walls, then shut down to spot on night maps...That would be fun to do!

The tazer and tripwire NARC are needed for this to be perfect.

[hammerreborn]

Vassago Rain, on 14 January 2013 - 01:09 PM, said:

There's no 'canon ECM variants.' It's a piece of gear you put in any mech you'd like, like a BAP.

It's not like WoW with unique raid items.

Not sure what this has to do with anything I said. His argument is that Spider won't get ECM because it never came stock with it, I argued that only the Raven 3L had it stock out of our current lineup of ECM equipped mechs, so the argument is terrible.

[Nuwa]

I remember when they announced Raven as DOA. "Anything a raven can do a jenner can do better...ect." Look at it now. And I was owning with my raven long before ECM was put in. Let the thing come out before you start bashing how PGI wasted time blah blah. Balancing is already an on going task and with all the ECM fuss on the forums I dont think PGI will let it continue for very much longer. I have high hopes for the spider. Brings another light to the table

[Kelito]

hammerreborn, on 14 January 2013 - 01:23 PM, said:

Not sure what this has to do with anything I said. His argument is that Spider won't get ECM because it never came stock with it, I argued that only the Raven 3L had it stock out of our current lineup of ECM equipped mechs, so the argument is terrible.

I hope that they DO make ECM available for the spyder..Otherwise, like most oppinions on this thread, won't be much fun, or useful as a playable mech...But I'm gonna give it a try tomorrow anyway even if it blows balls....

[Vassago Rain]

Nuwa, on 14 January 2013 - 01:30 PM, said:

I remember when they announced Raven as DOA. "Anything a raven can do a jenner can do better...ect." Look at it now. And I was owning with my raven long before ECM was put in. Let the thing come out before you start bashing how PGI wasted time blah blah. Balancing is already an on going task and with all the ECM fuss on the forums I dont think PGI will let it continue for very much longer. I have high hopes for the spider. Brings another light to the table

The raven was completely useless until they fixed jumpjets, and added electronic warfare gear.
Now jenners are brawling kings of lights, but ravens have more utility.

[Moonreiver]

Jacmac, on 11 January 2013 - 09:54 PM, said:

Limited hardpoints, not faster than any other light, no ECM. It's only use is no more than that of a non-ECM commando as far as I can see. The Spider looks non-sequitur in the light line of mechs at this time. If PGI raised the speed cap, I could see the use for a smaller faster scout, but until that happens is there any reason to want this mech in a drop?

It carries jump jets that will carry it accross the map probably. It's only purpose will be to jump and cap an enemy base. Like a flea, not a spider. Most likely harder to hit than a Commando as well. Might be that your right on this one. Steadily though, as they introduce other mechs, a value might present itself. We are only testing 2 game styles right now. With all the bugs with the ravens and ecm not working as it should (at least if you've played and understand the rules of Battletech, which this is based on). Another light mech seems to add to the wohs instead of improving the game-play. We need to run on faith that the universe is a little bigger than has been presented I guess... If it's not. I predict this game is going to loose a lot more fans and itself will be D.O.A.

[Shumabot]

Helbourne, on 14 January 2013 - 11:07 AM, said:

But if your stuck on a planet and all there is available is Spiders what are you going to use, nothing?

Oh wait I am sorry, people want the zero sum everything is equal, FPS reskinned CoD game, I keep forgetting that. In real warfare not everything is equal folks. If all you have available are a bunch of 'useless' mechs you have to make due, fight smarter!

This isn't real warfare, this is a game. A useless mech is something no one is going to use because it's useless and people have options.

[Erik Jast]

Helbourne, on 14 January 2013 - 11:46 AM, said:

LOL the farmer, now that is a good one.

Now if your stuck on a strange planet with no ammo, and you ran out of med packs, it would be best to find that 'useless' farmer. I bet he would know the land. Plus the farmer has pitch forks.

Ah, you speak of Community Warfare. That would be a great addition to this game. Sadly, the Devs don't think so and we probably won't see it for another year, if the game is still even alive.

[Erik Jast]

Nuwa, on 14 January 2013 - 01:30 PM, said:

I remember when they announced Raven as DOA. "Anything a raven can do a jenner can do better...ect." Look at it now. And I was owning with my raven long before ECM was put in. Let the thing come out before you start bashing how PGI wasted time blah blah. Balancing is already an on going task and with all the ECM fuss on the forums I dont think PGI will let it continue for very much longer. I have high hopes for the spider. Brings another light to the table

The Jenner was superior to both the Raven and Commando. Then ECM came and the game changed, drastically, over a vastly superior piece of equipment.

[Helbourne]

Sayyid, on 14 January 2013 - 11:53 AM, said:

The problem is there is no planets, or factional warfare, or supply or anything near that. If it were we would have less twitch COD/BF kids playing and more dedicated MW/Battletech players.

Exactly... this game NEEDS community warfare. This game NEEDS all the thousands of planets you can see on any map of the Battletech universe. I am always amazed on how many named planets that has been put on the maps.

[Helbourne]

Shumabot, on 14 January 2013 - 01:41 PM, said:

This isn't real warfare, this is a game. A useless mech is something no one is going to use because it's useless and people have options.

Just because it is a so called usless mech, is not a good reason not to put it in the game. Its 2013 and space on hard drives is not a issue. Not like they are storing the code for the mech on your computers hard drive.

I understand that there are better mechs to pilot. So go pilot the better ones. I would not expect anyone to win an area tournment piloting a Spider. Maybe they could if they are lucky and a damn good pilot.

[Glythe]

Livewyr, on 13 January 2013 - 11:25 AM, said:

Wasn't there a "Is the Stalker DoA?" thread.. could've sworn I saw one..

now I see a stalker literally every game...

The stalker is an Assault mech that has 10 weapon hardpoints. I think you mean the Awesome is DoA thanks to the Stalker (redirect to post not available).

[Vassago Rain]

Helbourne, on 14 January 2013 - 02:27 PM, said:

Just because it is a so called usless mech, is not a good reason not to put it in the game. Its 2013 and space on hard drives is not a issue. Not like they are storing the code for the mech on your computers hard drive.

I understand that there are better mechs to pilot. So go pilot the better ones. I would not expect anyone to win an area tournment piloting a Spider. Maybe they could if they are lucky and a damn good pilot.

It takes them three months to make a mech.
Three months.

They make a useless mech, that's what we're stuck with for the next quarter. Do you understand the problem, or should I draw you a picture?

[Multitallented]

Because of the class-limit drops and not weight limits, any mech light mech that is not 35 tons is already horribly worse than the raven (or jenner if they nerf ecm). I look forward to the spider because of the jump jets, but I agree that it will be dead on arrival

[ICEFANG13]

The 2X raven is DOA (although I wasn't around for that haha), its worthless and completely worse than the Jenner-K unless you want an engine that is 245 or less AND you want to use an SRM-6 with Artemis. The Raven-4X is a complete oddity, you will never find a great build that uses both ballistic slots, machine guns are worthless, but since it currently is the only ballistic light mech, its not dead at all. (Flow chart: What size? Light. What weapon class is most important to you? Ballistic. Well lets see what I can get out of the poop bag). The Raven-3L was NEVER 100% worse than a Jenner-D, people have this strange hatred for it, but unless you use both missile slots (otherwise you should use the Jenner-K) and all 4 energy slots (otherwise you should use the Raven-3L, pre-ECM), you're better with another mech. It happens to be the best because it can do the most damage, but I did great with a 2 Medium Laser, 1 TAG 2-SSRM-2 Jenner-D, and I don't like JJs, so the Raven (who would move 2.5 KPH slower and be half a ton lighter) would have been a better choice because the Raven has an extra module slot and can do the same thing. 3Ls are very powerful and always have been, especially when modules become valuable.

[MustrumRidcully]

Vassago Rain, on 14 January 2013 - 02:56 PM, said:

It takes them three months to make a mech.
Three months.

They make a useless mech, that's what we're stuck with for the next quarter. Do you understand the problem, or should I draw you a picture?

How would you make a picture of this?

[Jacmac]

ICEFANG13, on 14 January 2013 - 06:56 PM, said:

The 2X raven is DOA (although I wasn't around for that haha), its worthless and completely worse than the Jenner-K unless you want an engine that is 245 or less AND you want to use an SRM-6 with Artemis. The Raven-4X is a complete oddity, you will never find a great build that uses both ballistic slots, machine guns are worthless, but since it currently is the only ballistic light mech, its not dead at all. (Flow chart: What size? Light. What weapon class is most important to you? Ballistic. Well lets see what I can get out of the poop bag).

You're talking variants. It's arguable that the entire Jenner line is now dead. I see the same thing happening for Spiders unless there is some earth-shattering change that makes the Spider viable.

[ICEFANG13]

Then in theory the Spider with 2 ballistics in the arms cannot be DOA, for if you want to pilot a light mech, and have ballistics and lower arm actuators, this is the only mech that meets that criteria.