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[DireWolf307]

William Canavi, on 25 May 2012 - 12:04 AM, said:

Fair point. But it was the Clans leaving that really set it off. I suppose we're both to blame, really. In the end, it doesn't matter. We fight for homes, no matter who we are or where we come from. Nothing is more honorable than that.

Actually, I think we can all agree that the Stephan Amaris is really the one to blame

[Rejarial Galatan]

in order: I fight for my Clan, My Kahn, to win my place in the genetic repository, to win lines in the Remembrance, to win my blood name, to win honor, to DIE in combat.

[William Canavi]

DireWolf307, on 25 May 2012 - 12:05 AM, said:

Actually, I think we can all agree that the Stephan Amaris is really the one to blame

Another excellent point, but he did the things he did because he felt the Periphery wasn't being treated fairly. Which... Really, it wasn't. At least in my opinion.

Rejarial Galatan, on 25 May 2012 - 12:05 AM, said:

in order: I fight for my Clan, My Kahn, to win my place in the genetic repository, to win lines in the Remembrance, to win my blood name, to win honor, to DIE in combat.

What a sadly empty life you must life.

[Vulpesveritas]

Rejarial Galatan, on 25 May 2012 - 12:05 AM, said:

in order: I fight for my Clan, My Kahn, to win my place in the genetic repository, to win lines in the Remembrance, to win my blood name, to win honor, to DIE in combat.

If I may say, seeking death is stupid. The most honorable thing, at least in this being's opinion, is to pass down knowledge and wisdom to those younger than yourself. I also find it stupid that death means you get a spot in your breeding tubes.

... also

William Canavi, on 25 May 2012 - 12:07 AM, said:

What a sadly empty life you must life.

This. You really should try to relax and enjoy being alive.

Edited by Vulpesveritas, 25 May 2012 - 12:08 AM.

[Aethon]

BenEEeees VAT GROWN BACON, on 25 May 2012 - 12:00 AM, said:

Honestly I think people hate the Clans because they didn't share the Bacon.

Wow...I totally forgot that, in the chaos of the Succession Wars, the Inner Sphere lost the knowledge to create delicious bacon!

This totally brings all the hate into focus. I have to wonder, though, if the NAIS managed to reverse-engineer any preserved bacon, but are keeping it secret...

[DireWolf307]

William Canavi, on 25 May 2012 - 12:07 AM, said:

Another excellent point, but he did the things he did because he felt the Periphery wasn't being treated fairly. Which... Really, it wasn't. At least in my opinion.

The Periphery is a whole different mess of worms. Unfairly treated? Maybe, I could see how they could feel that. But when you're mostly made up of pirates, rouges, and less than reputable mercenary units, it's hard to get painted fairly, eh?

[Rejarial Galatan]

I will NOT suffer the dishonor of growing old and being ordered into a Solahma unit. Death in and of itself is not going to earn your place as a Gift Take. Your deeds as recorded in your codex will decide that.

[Infine]

I have one question actually.

So the clans want to return and rule the Inner Sphere to bring it to it's former glory of the Star League. For that they prepared themselves for many years, advanced military technologies and combat training (though I'd have to disagree with the latter).

But over this, the clans became a warrior society. So, suppose clans take over IS. What's next? Their goal is reached. What now? Clans only know war. Who would they war with? What would they fight for?

A noble goal became their reason of existance. No. It became THE existance for them. The IS "freebirth scum" fight for thier home, fight for their family, fight for their ideals. The "noble trueborn" fight because it's the only thing they can do, the only thing they know of. Their existance would become meaningless would they achieve their goal.

"Know that I have taken the remnant of the Star League Defense Force which has remained true to its purpose beyond the boundaries of the Inner Sphere, beyond the Periphery. I have done this, neither out of disappointment with those whom we leave behind, nor out of spite or disdain, as some will say. No, we have left the Inner Sphere because we love it too much to see it destroyed. In the wake of the Usurper's coup, and the long, bitter fighting that came with it, I fear that my forces would do incalculable, possibly irreparable, harm to our society. We are sworn to ward the Star League and its subjects, not destroy it.
"Thus, we have left the only homes we have ever known to place the destructive capability of this armada beyond the reach of those who would use it, not for defense, but for conquest. Perhaps, with the might of our 'Mechs and ships out of reach, the leaders who now grapple with one another will relinquish their dreams of subjugating their neighbors and learn to live in peace with them.
"Perhaps, one day, should mankind step back from the brink of the abyss, we, our children, or our children's children will return, to once more serve and protect and guide the Star League in mankind's quest for the stars."

Read this, oh so noble trueborn warriors. Now tell me there's no spite or disdain in your words, now say that your twisted beliefs will do no harm to the society of the IS, now tell me you stive for defence, not conquest. Now tell me you want peace, tell me you want to serve and protect.

Face it. You've became what the Great General feared the most. You fought monsters, and you became monsters.

[William Canavi]

DireWolf307, on 25 May 2012 - 12:09 AM, said:

The Periphery is a whole different mess of worms. Unfairly treated? Maybe, I could see how they could feel that. But when you're mostly made up of pirates, rouges, and less than reputable mercenary units, it's hard to get painted fairly, eh?

Doesn't matter who they are, IMO. They still deserve to be treated fairly, I think. The sole reason that the reason they're out there is because they were treated unfairly, when they were simply trying to get by. Either way, what's done is done. And it was all a horrible tradgedy that led to all of this. All we can do now is keep our heads down and try and stay alive.

[DireWolf307]

Aethon, on 25 May 2012 - 12:07 AM, said:

Wow...I totally forgot that, in the chaos of the Succession Wars, the Inner Sphere lost the knowledge to create delicious bacon!

This totally brings all the hate into focus. I have to wonder, though, if the NAIS managed to reverse-engineer any preserved bacon, but are keeping it secret...

Well at least they had the Hunchback Coffeemaker and Walking Trashcan Urbanmech to get them through.

[Ramien]

Rejarial Galatan, on 25 May 2012 - 12:09 AM, said:

I will NOT suffer the dishonor of growing old and being ordered into a Solahma unit. Death in and of itself is not going to earn your place as a Gift Take. Your deeds as recorded in your codex will decide that.

So... being a pilot of such skill that death can't take you in a 'mech is a dishonor? That explains a lot...

[FoxiestFox]

All this nonsense with Clan 'honor' and Inner Sphere ignorance means nothing to me. I don't care for it, fight for what you believe should be fought for, not for the sake of fighting and dying or getting back at each other. Fight and die for something that really makes a difference. Like stopping the next Kurita genocide or something.

[William Petersen]

GB Krubarax, on 24 May 2012 - 11:58 PM, said:

You judge all clans *** a hwole. Not every clan was as radical as you describe.

Tell that to Clan Wolverine.

Trial of Annihilation requires a unanimous vote in the appropriate council. That is, every single Khan voted, not to absorb, not to abjure, but to utterly destroy laborers, scientists, technicians, merchants, warriors, men, women, children.

Clearly not all radicals. Not at all.


EDIT:

Rejarial Galatan, on 25 May 2012 - 12:04 AM, said:

now i know you have no clue about it. Quiaff/Quineg are being used 100% correctly. it is a formal call for an answer of yes or no depending on the application of the AFF or NEG at the end. Do read up before you swallow that foot whole.

I see, so it's just English at which you're poor.

Edited by William Petersen, 25 May 2012 - 12:13 AM.

[Sparks Murphey]

Rejarial Galatan, on 25 May 2012 - 12:01 AM, said:

you cant RP, fine, dont, leave the RP to those of us, who, ya know, enjoy it.

If you wanna RP, there's a fan fiction forum here. Go there are spout insults at the Inner Sphere. Heck, I'll join you. But leave the IC bile and rage out of an OOC thread about why real world people dislike the Clans.

[William Canavi]

Rejarial Galatan, on 25 May 2012 - 12:09 AM, said:

I will NOT suffer the dishonor of growing old and being ordered into a Solahma unit. Death in and of itself is not going to earn your place as a Gift Take. Your deeds as recorded in your codex will decide that.

We don't have one of those. I can understand why growing old may be unappealing to Clanners, though.

[Krubarax]

Infine, on 25 May 2012 - 12:11 AM, said:

I have one question actually.

So the clans want to return and rule the Inner Sphere to bring it to it's former glory of the Star League. For that they prepared themselves for many years, advanced military technologies and combat training (though I'd have to disagree with the latter).

But over this, the clans became a warrior society. So, suppose clans take over IS. What's next? Their goal is reached. What now? Clans only know war. Who would they war with? What would they fight for?

A noble goal became their reason of existance. No. It became THE existance for them. The IS "freebirth scum" fight for thier home, fight for their family, fight for their ideals. The "noble trueborn" fight because it's the only thing they can do, the only thing they know of. Their existance would become meaningless would they achieve their goal.

"Know that I have taken the remnant of the Star League Defense Force which has remained true to its purpose beyond the boundaries of the Inner Sphere, beyond the Periphery. I have done this, neither out of disappointment with those whom we leave behind, nor out of spite or disdain, as some will say. No, we have left the Inner Sphere because we love it too much to see it destroyed. In the wake of the Usurper's coup, and the long, bitter fighting that came with it, I fear that my forces would do incalculable, possibly irreparable, harm to our society. We are sworn to ward the Star League and its subjects, not destroy it.
"Thus, we have left the only homes we have ever known to place the destructive capability of this armada beyond the reach of those who would use it, not for defense, but for conquest. Perhaps, with the might of our 'Mechs and ships out of reach, the leaders who now grapple with one another will relinquish their dreams of subjugating their neighbors and learn to live in peace with them.
"Perhaps, one day, should mankind step back from the brink of the abyss, we, our children, or our children's children will return, to once more serve and protect and guide the Star League in mankind's quest for the stars."

Read this, oh so noble trueborn warriors. Now tell me there's no spite or disdain in your words, now say that your twisted beliefs will do no harm to the society of the IS, now tell me you stive for defence, not conquest. Now tell me you want peace, tell me you want to serve and protect.

Face it. You've became what the Great General feared the most. You fought monsters, and you became monsters.

Short answear:
1.Restore the Starleague
2. Halt the breeding program. Or limit it to produce enough warriors to sustain the SLDF
3. Profit!

[Methuselah Honeysuckle]

Personally I love the clans, but their tech makes it imbalanced with IStech and I do enjoy playing with IS mechs. I hope the game can go for many years without feeling compelled to start bringing them in.

[Rejarial Galatan]

Ramien, on 25 May 2012 - 12:12 AM, said:

So... being a pilot of such skill that death can't take you in a 'mech is a dishonor? That explains a lot...

To the freeborn that you are, it is a paradox. We strive to be the best warriors we can, and despise the old, and look down upon them with disdain for NOT finding death in combat. The old are beyond use, they are frail and infirm. They are to be pitied.

FoxiestFox, on 25 May 2012 - 12:12 AM, said:

All this nonsense with Clan 'honor' and Inner Sphere ignorance means nothing to me. I don't care for it, fight for what you believe should be fought for, not for the sake of fighting and dying or getting back at each other. Fight and die for something that really makes a difference. Like stopping the next Kurita genocide or something.

as i am loyal to the DCMS until I can become a clanner, how should I take that? lol

[Vulpesveritas]

Rejarial Galatan, on 25 May 2012 - 12:09 AM, said:

I will NOT suffer the dishonor of growing old and being ordered into a Solahma unit. Death in and of itself is not going to earn your place as a Gift Take. Your deeds as recorded in your codex will decide that.

See... that Solahma thing is idiotic in and of itself; as is the clan prospect that ageing is dishonorable. You can learn a great deal from your elders that you cannot otherwise. Simple thing is, every society is flawed, clan or non-clan. The greatest thing one can truly do is enjoy every day of their life and never have any regret. The greatest honor to be had is the respect and love given freely by other sentient beings.
Plus, if you are truly skilled no opponent will ever defeat you in combat anyhow.

[Krubarax]

William Petersen, on 25 May 2012 - 12:12 AM, said:

Tell that to Clan Wolverine.

Trial of Annihilation requires a unanimous vote in the appropriate council. That is, every single Khan voted, not to absorb, not to abjure, but to utterly destroy laborers, scientists, technicians, merchants, warriors, men, women, children.

Clearly not all radicals. Not at all.

This was at the birth of the clans.
There were no crusaders or wardens back then.
The clans of today can no more be blamed for that, than can you Spheorids, of the actions of Stefan Amaris.

Besides. Them using weapons on masss destruction kinda proved them right to be annihilated, quiaff?