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[Budor]

Anytime a new mech is released it gets a huge amount of playtime and representation ingame. This has been the case with the Phracts and Stalkers lately and will most likely be the case with the Spider on tuesday.

One might argue that lights arent as popular but given that a lot of people have gone through "all the content" i doubt that it will be unpopular for at least a week.

Now the case of this thread is that i think that the release of the spider under the current situation regarding ECM+Streaks (3L & 2D) will be even more detrimal to the allready pessimistic attitude on these forums.

The 2 ECM lights we allready have will feast on any variant of the Spider one drops with. The chance of getting at least(!) 1x 3L or 2D will rise dramatically because of people dropping in the new light...


Why does PGI add to the somewhat broken mechanics with bad design* and order of content addition decisions?

*(ECM on the wrong variants with missile bays while netcode is subpar and now an easy target for those mechs to add insult to injury)


TLDR: 2D+3L swarms 2 shotting spiders and enraging the rest of the enemy team = massive forum tears.

Edited by Budor, 11 January 2013 - 06:01 AM.

[Alymbic]

I dont care much for that. No matter how many ravens are around, just give me that spider. That mech was made for me.

[MrPenguin]

You are aware that you won't even need ecm to easily kill a spider right? It is not a combat mech. And it doesn't even have any missle slots AFAIK so ECM doesn't even effect it.

Edited by MrPenguin, 11 January 2013 - 05:32 AM.

[Vassago Rain]

The spider is a useless waste of 3 months of dev time, that could have gone towards a mech that wouldn't be DOA. It doesn't matter if people have streaks, ECM, or whatever.

Spiders are bad, no matter what, and will be free EXP for even the lowliest of n00b.

[Lagfest]

Says the atlas fan lol.
Spiders are non combat mechs just like ravens are...
And they are tear generators of maximum renown on these forums.

Im gonna get one, and im gonna love it.
soon as i get my pc back!

[Budor]

MrPenguin, on 11 January 2013 - 05:31 AM, said:

You are aware that you won't even need ecm to easily kill a spider right? It is not a combat mech. And it doesn't even have any missle slots AFAIK so ECM doesn't even effect it.

ECM lights can kill it anywhere and they will. Even inside your group where its useless to begin with. Why do you think that 50% of lights seen ingame are either a 3L or a 2D? I could farm Jenners and Cicadas all day in a 3L, not because im better, its because off the mobility/safty ECM provides.

The spider is a very weak platform to begin with. They should at least buff machine guns and fix jump jets before even considering to add it to the game.

Again my point is not so much how bad the spider is but how it will affect the droprate of 2Ds and 3Ls while being nothing but a snack for them. Everyone and their grandmother is crying over Ravens allready we do not need more of them in pug drops atm.

Its adding fuel to the fire.

Edited by Budor, 11 January 2013 - 05:49 AM.

[Armorpiercer M82]

i think, the main storm will not be from spider... but from new bugs.... believe me.

[Felix]

I dont know, the Devs COULD [REDACTED] fix ECM before the spider drop, that might make it a more appealing choice.

I wouldnt hold my breath on that one though.

Edited by Helmer, 13 January 2013 - 10:10 AM.
Edited for insulting content.

[Budor]

Felix, on 11 January 2013 - 05:49 AM, said:

I dont know, the Devs COULD get their heads out of their ***** and fix ECM before the spider drop, that might make it a more appealing choice.

I wouldnt hold my breath on that one though.

ECM is fine imho. Streaks on ECM carriers are not. Nobody rages about the 3M.

[Bguk]

Some people will look for anything to whine about. Not talking about issues with a patch. Talking about the whining. I think we all know the difference.

[Pr8Dator]

I think I need to take a break from this game for at least a month if the game is going to be overrun with lights from next week onwards... It is a BIG mistake to release another light mech before ECM, Collision and lag shield is FIXED!

Edited by Pr8Dator, 11 January 2013 - 05:54 AM.

[MrPenguin]

Budor, on 11 January 2013 - 05:43 AM, said:

ECM lights can kill it anywhere and they will. Even inside your group where its useless to begin with. Why do you think that 50% of lights seen ingame are either a 3L or a 2D? I could farm Jenners and Cicadas all day in a 3L, not because im better, its because off the mobility/safty ECM provides.

Again, ECM only effects missiles. It doesn't stop an AC/20 round from exploding in your face and leaving nothing behind to even bury.

If you honestly think you need ECM to kill a spider then you're horrendously bad at this game. Have medium lasers? Dead spider. Have large lasers? Dead spider. Have any kind of AC? Dead Spider. Have any kind of missles? Dead spider.

The fact you think you need ecm to do well and get kills is ******* hilarious. Especially when you're implying that you need it to kill spiders xD

Pr8Dator, on 11 January 2013 - 05:53 AM, said:

I think I need to take a break from this game for at least a month if the game is going to be overrun with lights from next week onwards... It is a BIG mistake to release another light mech.

Just spiders. So if anything, free kills!

Edited by MrPenguin, 11 January 2013 - 05:55 AM.

[CygnusX7]

All the hate on Jenners has passed on to Ravens and the Jenner is almost extinct.
Obviously something wrong... Looking forward to a change.

[Pr8Dator]

MrPenguin, on 11 January 2013 - 05:54 AM, said:

Raven's at least have armor to back them up. Spiders don't have ****.


Again, ECM only effects missiles. It doesn't stop an AC/20 round from exploding in your face and leaving nothing behind to even bury.

If you honestly think you need ECM to kill a spider then you're horrendously bad at this game. Have medium lasers? Dead spider. Have large lasers? Dead spider. Have any kind of AC? Dead Spider. Have any kind of missles? Dead spider.

The fact you think you need ecm to do well and get kills is ******* hilarious. Especially when you're implying that you need it to kill spiders xD


Just spiders. So if anything, free kills!

Why are spiders free kills? They are supposed to be the most agile flying light ever.

[Felix]

Budor, on 11 January 2013 - 05:51 AM, said:

ECM is fine imho. Streaks on ECM carriers are not. Nobody rages about the 3M.

Thats because no one uses the 3m.

In the games I have been in I have never once encountered a 3m, you would pretty much have to be an ***** to run that mech when there are other obviously superior options.

And if ECM is fine they should introduce a shield that prevents enemy large and medium laser use and a ballistic shield that prevents all the autocannon gauss weapons other than an machinegun from firing into it.

After all good game design is about eliminating whole weapon types without any skill involved right?

[MrPenguin]

Pr8Dator, on 11 January 2013 - 05:55 AM, said:

Why are spiders free kills? They are supposed to be the most agile flying light ever.

Speed cap.

That and most people won't play them as scouts, they'll play them as brawlers. Then start crying on the forums when anything with more then 2 weapon slots absolutely murders them.

Edited by MrPenguin, 11 January 2013 - 05:57 AM.

[Budor]

MrPenguin, on 11 January 2013 - 05:54 AM, said:

Again, ECM only effects missiles. It doesn't stop an AC/20 round from exploding in your face and leaving nothing behind to even bury.

If you honestly think you need ECM to kill a spider then you're horrendously bad at this game. Have medium lasers? Dead spider. Have large lasers? Dead spider. Have any kind of AC? Dead Spider. Have any kind of missles? Dead spider.

The fact you think you need ecm to do well and get kills is ******* hilarious. Especially when you're implying that you need it to kill spiders xD


Just spiders. So if anything, free kills!

Your first post allready made it seem like you either didnt read, didnt comprehend or have problems with my bad english. I increased the font size on some passages to help you out though. Thanks for the bump.

[MrPenguin]

Felix, on 11 January 2013 - 05:55 AM, said:

Thats because no one uses the 3m.

In the games I have been in I have never once encountered a 3m, you would pretty much have to be an ***** to run that mech when there are other obviously superior options.

And if ECM is fine they should introduce a shield that prevents enemy large and medium laser use and a ballistic shield that prevents all the autocannon gauss weapons other than an machinegun from firing into it.

After all good game design is about eliminating whole weapon types without any skill involved right?

Its funny that you talk about removing non-skill stuff the game but the only weapons ECM effects are non-skill weapons.

[Lupin]

Cross-posted from: In Topic: BattleMech 15: Spider

Should be an interesting Mech to pilot once MWO fix current jump jets problems, otherwise it's roadkill.

[Armorpiercer M82]

Pr8Dator, on 11 January 2013 - 05:55 AM, said:

Why are spiders free kills? They are supposed to be the most agile flying light ever.

= immortal untouchable, lag-shield bot.

:/