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[StalaggtIKE]

Elkarlo, on 16 January 2013 - 01:21 AM, said:

Dear Developers, get yourself a neutral Account and go out in a Med or Heavy mech the Workshorse class ( and NO CICADA-3M for you !) and play the game for 4 Hours as PUG.

Do it, then come back in the Forum and say that Raven is not overpowered.

THIS.

[DAoC]

I had just a game with a 4 ECM Raven premade...


It just sucks.

[Scandinavian Jawbreaker]

ICEFANG13, on 16 January 2013 - 09:29 AM, said:

How many people as a percent do you think use BAP now? How about AMS or JJ? So if they let all mechs use it, you wouldn't have a point? Because some mechs used BAP/AMS/JJs pre-ECM, but not all of them. They has bonuses that were effective to their weight. ECM has a huge bonus that isn't close to its weight.

I'm not going to argue with you if ECM is OP or not. I'm done with that. My point is that it is available feature on a certain variant and it would be odd not to utilize it.

[stemnin]

Not all of them have ECM.

This is just to prepare our derrieres for the god mode that will be with the introduction of stealth armor + angel ecm.

Edited by stemnin, 16 January 2013 - 09:42 AM.

[Invisibleone CZE]

Green Mamba, on 15 January 2013 - 07:28 PM, said:

I get Tired of seeing them with Streaks on them...I think I am the only 3L pilot who doesn't use them.

Sadly it does make a difference

I also have Raven with ECM and I'm not using SSRM but standard SRM only. Just because a think that ECM and SSRM shouldn't go together. By myself, i think that ECM should go only to non missile variants.

[John MatriX82]

+1 for the thread..

add that most of the ECMs are on lights, the only Atlas is capable to bear 3 of them and the mess is done.

I see raven 3Ls, eventually Com 2Ds, rarely Cicadas or other lights. And you know why? Bring in a Cicada 3M, even with a large engine, you just have to wait to get spotted by 1 single 3L to get leveled to ground in no-time, most of the times even commandos can bury you the same way. You can't run from them you don't have SSRMs.

Add lagshield. Add lack of collisions, with lights raging around and warping through you, their team mates and your team mates, largely unpunished.

Add SSRMs (quite brainless to use).

Add that SSRMs are the only real counter to lights, but if you use them on a jenner, on a Dragon 5n, on an Atlas D or in a stalker or any other mech.. that doesn't have ECM, well, they are plainly useless. So what? The next time you'd end up bringing in a DD-C to counter.

There's a LOT to be done to rebalance, and this is unfortunately one of the many threads about the same mess we already have and that devs seems not to care too much about..

[Joe Mallad]

As much as I know I'll get flamed for this... If they won't fix the ECM epidemic they gave us, one step to fix at least the ECM lights or Streak boating of any other mech is to remover streaks from the game all together. Out of all the weapons in the game that scream easy mode, its the Streaks. If you want to be a light pilot with ECM and hide behind your lag shield and bad net code... Run with normal SRMs and learn how to aim like everyone else. I know... I know... I'm whining about 2 little missiles. But watch how many other will cry once people can start mounting Streak 6 packs once they are useable lol

[Green Mamba]

Invisibleone, on 16 January 2013 - 09:42 AM, said:

I also have Raven with ECM and I'm not using SSRM but standard SRM only. Just because a think that ECM and SSRM shouldn't go together. By myself, i think that ECM should go only to non missile variants.

Thanks...I did think I was the only one...I have even had teammates comment on me using just lasers when they spectate on my 3L

[hammerreborn]

Green Mamba, on 16 January 2013 - 11:16 AM, said:

Thanks...I did think I was the only one...I have even had teammates comment on me using just lasers when they spectate on my 3L

When I ran the 3L (basically never since I love my Jenner too much) I went with the SRM6 and a SSRM2, because that one missle port sucks and you're just wasting valuable SRM ammo to put a SRM launcher in it.

[Wynn80]

I'm so bum all I want to do is use a Raven with ecm for team support but now with ssrm ravens being Fotm there so much hate you get for piloting the mech even if your not using the combo.

Last match people ranted in cross chat the whole match and just swearing up and down at people using the 3L

[Wolf Clearwater]

Green Mamba, on 15 January 2013 - 07:28 PM, said:

I get Tired of seeing them with Streaks on them...I think I am the only 3L pilot who doesn't use them.

Sadly it does make a difference

You are not, I will use streak OR ECM but not both unless my team demands it (which they usually don't). I use SRM's. Although I admit I get pissed off at all the ECM streakers and put both on every once in a while and look for some vengeance.
I think that if a mech is carrying ECM, while in disrupt mode, it should not be able to lock.

Poll:
http://mwomercs.com/...68#entry1629968

I know posts get buried quick, but if you don't like my poll, make one, I will come vote.

[Cest7]

1. Pick ECM Raven and boat streaks
2. ?????????
3. Profit!!!

srsly nerf it

[Chunkylad]

I would like to see the 2x and 4x balanced so there is an actual REASON to play them other than purely for getting your 3L to master. Not fair at all that the version that gets ECM also gets the fastest engine and has the best anti-light loadout.

[Nankam]

I think ECM should be modified so that when in disrupt mode the mech using it can't establish target locks on enemy mechs. That way these streak Ravens and Commandos would have to change to counter mode if they want to use streaks instead of normal srms, thus evening the playing field a bit against non-ecm mechs. Oh, and a short cooldown after switching ecm mode would ensure you couldn't simply swap back and forth constantly.

As for the viability of the 2x, we have been saying since closed beta that it will continue to be useless until machine guns are buffed which at this rate will be never. In fact, every single multiple ballistic slot, low tonnage mech in the game is currently useless because of the ineptidute of machine guns. Just boost their dps to that of small lasers or slightly above already.

Edited by Nankam, 16 January 2013 - 06:24 PM.

[Mikhalio]

Just being Mr. Obvious but lets ask who will have the most stakeholder gain from a ECW Nerf:

- Players who were marginally skilled and relied upon LRM Spam, or SSRM spam boats vs. players who actually aimed and played using non-free lunch teams.

So let's say, what would happen if ECW was nerfed.

a.) Players will learn the value of team work and communication, so they are not reliant on a minimap a la COD.
b.) Players will learn that they can influence with whines the direction of the game and will return to minimal game education builds like the LRM & SSRM Spam boats inorder to min/max their eternal grind for Mech Bux.....

I'm voting for b.)

Be honest, someone prove me that a nerf to ECW would ACTUALLY help this game grow as a community by fostering coordinated match builds or teamplay with specialist roles assigned to mechs, like, you know, how the game was envisioned....

If Garth & Paul both suggest to give ECW a rest. Maybe it's a small, very simple hint that the topic is dead. Or should be dead. Or maybe dead on arrival. Or all 3. Maybe.

Edited by Mikhalio, 16 January 2013 - 06:30 PM.

[Valaska]

Unfortunately as all ECM threads, the dev's will ignore all the valid points you've brought up. A little pessimistic but its realistic to what they've been doing...

It seems people completely forgot LRM's and SSRM's are meant to be a viable method of play, and after the 1.7 damage patch we weren't stuck under clouds of the damn things either... Alright some streak mechs ran around and granted were effing annoying, sometimes the LRM's were too, but in the same round about "COD!" argument that states clearly "LEARN TO PLAY WITH ECM!" We all learned to play against LRM's, they were a hell of a lot easier to combat than something you literally have no counter to, but ECM itself. TAG is useless, lets just get that out of the way, and where as you could duck behind cover, close the gap etc with LRM's, or do what I do and sling a gauss at them and make them take cover themselves with 2 AMS mechs working in conjunction, or just using cover and no AMS, there's nearly no alternatives to ECM than ECM.

I am generally tired of seeing almost nothing but ECM enabled mechs like you, and with brand new computer parts coming in the mail I really hope they do SOMETHING to fix the state of the game!

Edited by Valaska, 16 January 2013 - 06:49 PM.

[RainbowToh]

random51, on 15 January 2013 - 08:20 PM, said:

Before it was Ravens it was Jenners. As long as lag armor is in the game whichever light is considered the best is the mech you're going to get sick of seeing.

As least you can still **** Jenners with streaks b4. now streakcats or any streak carrying non ecm mech is rare.

[Rodrigo Martinez]

+1 to Mikhalio. I'm piloting arty/las mechs and I see no problem with ECM. All I need is LOS and maneuvering space. There's no problems with ECM if you're able to aim non-guided weapons. Biggest problems about ECM I had "OMG, there is 4 enemy Atlas behind my back!" but I think it's how it should work. Real problem is the Raveb 3L, and it's true even when we're speaking about Ravens itselves, without any other mechs. I see no complains about Com-2D. Maybe it's cuz 2D can't charge in face full enemy lance and retreat with slightly orange armor. But maybe I missed something and the ECM is really ruining game fom someone instead of streak cat and lrm boats.

[Solis Obscuri]

Mikhalio, on 16 January 2013 - 06:28 PM, said:

Just being Mr. Obvious but lets ask who will have the most stakeholder gain from a ECW Nerf:

- Players who were marginally skilled and relied upon LRM Spam, or SSRM spam boats vs. players who actually aimed and played using non-free lunch teams.

So let's say, what would happen if ECW was nerfed.

a.) Players will learn the value of team work and communication, so they are not reliant on a minimap a la COD.
b.) Players will learn that they can influence with whines the direction of the game and will return to minimal game education builds like the LRM & SSRM Spam boats inorder to min/max their eternal grind for Mech Bux.....

I'm voting for b.)

Be honest, someone prove me that a nerf to ECW would ACTUALLY help this game grow as a community by fostering coordinated match builds or teamplay with specialist roles assigned to mechs, like, you know, how the game was envisioned....

If Garth & Paul both suggest to give ECW a rest. Maybe it's a small, very simple hint that the topic is dead. Or should be dead. Or maybe dead on arrival. Or all 3. Maybe.

[Mikhalio]

Solis Obscuri, on 16 January 2013 - 07:40 PM, said:

Have you seen my KD ? I'm the official suicide celeb ECW man. I go down more than lindsay lohan on a oil sheik when someone flashes a shiny thing at me.

But aside from the witty trool, I'm going to guess you agree with me ? Do you really think players will get better at MWO without ECW ? Or will they go back to their ezeemode LRM and SSRM/SRM 64 boat's.

Why not post a rebuttal on why you think players will suddenly get better if they are allowed to go back to their spam boats. Or how spam boats will increase teamplay and role specialization in your magical mech simulator ?

SQUAWK.

Edited by Mikhalio, 16 January 2013 - 07:48 PM.