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[Regrets]

The cbills have definitely been nerfed since a few patches ago. Not a positive change. Espesh dishearting to lose a few matches in a row while exhibiting good teamwork and your teammates zerg. 100k cbill for you.

[Noth]

No your issues come down to speed of content. Whether it be acquisition of cbills to get that content or the maps available. It all comes down to content. Content such as maps are not coming fast enough for you and you aren't acquiring cbills fast enough to get the mech content you want.

How easy a game is to develop directly translate to how fast content can come out. If something is harder to work with, everything gets slowed down and that includes content, bug fixes,adding new systems, etc. It all slows down.

There are many things wrong. Many things far more important than content. Content will come with time (they don't stop making content because of the other issues) It's just not fast enough for your tastes. I'd like more, as more is better, but I do things to prolong the life of the game for myself and understand that content can take a lot of time to come.

My best advice since obviously you are getting bored with the lack of content, is to take a break and come back in a couple months, because content and bugs take time to add and fix. And yes that is the best suggestion to give you since what you have issues with aren't changing any time soon.

Edited by Noth, 16 January 2013 - 05:25 AM.

[Praeses]

Ok, you are all right, I now realize that I was wrong all along, your "blarhgs" made me realize my mistake

thanks for the tip, I will sell the engines I don't use after I get a new mech, (I don't want to sell the 300 engines I have right now because I end up liking that huge pile of unused engines)

Yes, it's F2P, but no bots so I guess the fun will not be much if the non-paying players start to leave and yes, is beta (by the way, did you know about gmail? how much time it was considered as beta? oh yes.. just a few decades, maybe the beta argument isn't the very best of all)

And yes, thanks for that advice, and it's such promising that the advice you give is to stop playing, this speaks so good about the game, how does you defense of this game was again? I forgot after the "stop playing" advice

Well, it doesn't do nothing saying something bad about this game (even in the "suggestion" subforum")

I will return after some time, either to say "wow, this game got a lot better" or to say "haha" nelson style

[Noth]

Praeses, on 16 January 2013 - 05:27 AM, said:

Ok, you are all right, I now realize that I was wrong all along, your "blarhgs" made me realize my mistake

thanks for the tip, I will sell the engines I don't use after I get a new mech, (I don't want to sell the 300 engines I have right now because I end up liking that huge pile of unused engines)

Yes, it's F2P, but no bots so I guess the fun will not be much if the non-paying players start to leave and yes, is beta (by the way, did you know about gmail? how much time it was considered as beta? oh yes.. just a few decades, maybe the beta argument isn't the very best of all)

And yes, thanks for that advice, and it's such promising that the advice you give is to stop playing, this speaks so good about the game, how does you defense of this game was again? I forgot after the "stop playing" advice

Well, it doesn't do nothing saying something bad about this game (even in the "suggestion" subforum")

I will return after some time, either to say "wow, this game got a lot better" or to say "haha" nelson style

What did you expect? You come in and have a complaint about something that just simply is not going to change anytime soon. We can't make you have fun in the game. We can't make the devs come out with content faster. You get advice on how to make more Cbills, you get examples proving that cbills are not that slow. That is literally all we could do for you. What do you want us to say? That we agree with you even if we don't?

Regrets, on 16 January 2013 - 05:19 AM, said:

The cbills have definitely been nerfed since a few patches ago. Not a positive change. Espesh dishearting to lose a few matches in a row while exhibiting good teamwork and your teammates zerg. 100k cbill for you.

The change was good. A lot less free money for people who afk and DC on purpose. You get more for playing better. Also no repair costs meaning people can run more builds and not hide to avoid repair costs.

[Regrets]

Noth, on 16 January 2013 - 05:34 AM, said:

The change was good. A lot less free money for people who afk and DC on purpose. You get more for playing better. Also no repair costs meaning people can run more builds and not hide to avoid repair costs.

Saying cbill nerf is good to stop DCers is like saying <insert witty analogy about how they should just ban the DCers instead of nerfing every F2P player>.

[Noth]

Regrets, on 16 January 2013 - 05:41 AM, said:

Saying cbill nerf is good to stop DCers is like saying <insert witty analogy about how they should just ban the DCers instead of nerfing every F2P player>.

I play without Cbill bonuses. I make about as much as I did before the change. The only time you won't is if you were in the top 5% of players or if you were abusing the system before the change.

[Praeses]

Noth, on 16 January 2013 - 05:34 AM, said:

What did you expect? You come in and have a complaint about something that just simply is not going to change anytime soon. We can't make you have fun in the game. We can't make the devs come out with content faster. You get advice on how to make more Cbills, you get examples proving that cbills are not that slow. That is literally all we could do for you. What do you want us to say? That we agree with you even if we don't?

Technically speaking nothing is going to change soon, so there's no point to make any suggestion

More rewards or better implemented ones could be a good change

You like to say content, I noticed that, because you have been saying content from several post, I did say that the game have few maps and two modes (that can be argued but for the sake of simplicity lets make them two) but I never said that I wanted more maps or modes, and I didn't ask for more mechs (more mechs without being able to use them is a dumb request)

There's no advice on how to get C-Bills faster, if I wanted C-Bills quickly I would just play matches, go suicidal and play another match (I bet that way I can get more C-Bills)

I thought about going suicidal, got two mechs so it can be done (I don't know if trials can be used to do this, if it can I could go even quicker)

You have made clear that I should do this instead of making a suggestion

Edited by Praeses, 16 January 2013 - 05:47 AM.

[Noth]

Praeses, on 16 January 2013 - 05:46 AM, said:

Technically speaking nothing is going to change soon, so there's no point to make any suggestion

More rewards or better implemented ones could be a good change

You like to say content, I noticed that, because you have been saying content from several post, I did say that the game have few maps and two modes (that can be argued but for the sake of simplicity lets make then two) but I never said that I wanted more maps or modes, and I didn't ask for more mechs (more mechs without being able to use them is a dumb request)

There's no advice on how to get C-Bills faster, if I wanted C-Bills quickly I would just play matches, go suicidal and play another match (I bet that way I can get more C-Bills)

I thought about going suicidal, got two mechs so it can be done (I don't know if trials can be used to do this, if it can I could go even quicker)

You have made clear that I should do this instead of making a suggestion

No we told you to get better (even some specifics on that), that is how you make more cbills. You got another suggestion to sell unneeded engines. Suiciding is pretty poor at making cbills currently. Best way is to rack up the assists and component destructions while doing as much damage as possible.

Oh and they are adding more rewards for cbills. They added some this recent patch with more to come. And I've been saying content a lot because you seem to be getting bored playing the same maps with the same mech to get cbills. That is all content related.

[Praeses]

Noth, on 16 January 2013 - 05:53 AM, said:

No we told you to get better (even some specifics on that), that is how you make more cbills. You got another suggestion to sell unneeded engines. Suiciding is pretty poor at making cbills currently. Best way is to rack up the assists and component destructions while doing as much damage as possible.

Oh and they are adding more rewards for cbills. They added some this recent patch with more to come. And I've been saying content a lot because you seem to be getting bored playing the same maps with the same mech to get cbills. That is all content related.

I know how to play for jebus sake!
If there where any non-paying player defending your positions you would be more credible but the ones defending that everything works well and C-Bills are easy to get (just be better, and play X amount of matched and you will get what you need) are all founders... there is now one who never bought anything and have to work every C-Bill on his own that's defending your position.

[Noth]

Praeses, on 16 January 2013 - 05:58 AM, said:

I know how to play for jebus sake!
If there where any non-paying player defending your positions you would be more credible but the ones defending that everything works well and C-Bills are easy to get (just be better, and play X amount of matched and you will get what you need) are all founders... there is now one who never bought anything and have to work every C-Bill on his own that's defending your position.

I'm playing as a free player. I do not use my premium (saving it for when the game is more complete), I don't use any mechs with cbill bonuses (don't like any of them). I'm having to "work" for every cbill I get. I'm making no more cbills than you are.
The cbills do work well... that is the only thing really being defended other than reasoning being given on why content is so slow.

[Roadbuster]

Regrets, on 16 January 2013 - 05:19 AM, said:

The cbills have definitely been nerfed since a few patches ago. Not a positive change. Espesh dishearting to lose a few matches in a row while exhibiting good teamwork and your teammates zerg. 100k cbill for you.

They changed more often. And to be honest, since they removed repair and rearm the reward isn't bad at all.
In closed beta I could get ~300.000CB with founders bonus and premium bonus for a good game. That would be ~175.000CB without bonus. Then you had to subtract repair and rearm cost which could go up quite high for assault mechs.
Let's go with a rather low cost of 35.000CB (could go up to 100.000CB too). That would mean, we got ~140.000CB in the past for a good game.

That means that with the removal of repair and rearm we can get the same if not more CB.

And please spare us with your sarcasm.
The point of "too low CB rewards" comes up every week. It's nothing new and I'm sure PGI is aware of the matter.
But if they think it's fine as it is for now, that's their decision.

Don't you think it's nice to have something to achieve?

Oh, one more thing. How much did you pay for this game and how many hours did it entertain you?

[Praeses]

Noth, on 16 January 2013 - 06:03 AM, said:

I'm playing as a free player. I do not use my premium (saving it for when the game is more complete), I don't use any mechs with cbill bonuses (don't like any of them). I'm having to "work" for every cbill I get. I'm making no more cbills than you are.
The cbills do work well... that is the only thing really being defended other than reasoning being given on why content is so slow.

Yes, you are playing as a free player, you premium did get reseted after one of the server reset, so you did not play since the beginning as a free player, I work a hell lot more for C-Bills because I always played as a free player, you just doing it now so your "C-Bills" works great now doesn't have a very strong presence

[HighTest]

I have to agree with the OP to some extent. It's true, once you get past your initial 25 welfare games, it just reverts back to the same broken economy that many people have been complaining about for ages. When you're only stuck with one mech (or a couple of smaller ones) + trials, it does make it tougher to 'just play and have fun' than those that have already accumulated a small stable of mechs and can jump around between them to keep things fresh.

If you decide you didn't make the right choice with that mech purchase, tough. If you decide to sell the one mech you bought, with the sale prices the way they are, you'd be trading an Awesome for a Raven or something like that.

Sure, the 25 welfare games has definitely made the game more new-user-friendly, but once you're past that, you get into a pretty nasty lull until you can build up a few mechs to choose from.

Praeses -- if you do indeed like the game, the best thing to do is to try and join a team. That way you can group up with them, which will make the game more fun, allow you to use some more tactics, improve your win (and CBill gathering) ratio, and hopefully tie you over until you can get a few more mechs to play around with. Works for me.

[Bobzilla]

A better answer to you OP is yes, it does take a long time to earn enough cbills to try different mechs with the different upgrades and weapons. You can spend real money to add a bonus to cbills earned, but if your a casual player it is not worth it as your time will expire weather you play or not. Hero mechs can be purchased with real money so you don't have to grind, and they give a cbill boost with that mech permenantly, tho if you don't like that type of mech it will have been a waste.
If you find it boring saving up cbills to try different mechs with different loadouts, this game will be boring for you even if you have unlimited cbills. Hopefully when all things are in the game it will be more fun for you.

My biggest cbill saving/earning tip is to go to http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/
It has a virtual mech lab that allows you to build mechs to see what fits so you don't make a costly mistakes. It also has lots of other info like weapon stats.

[Regrets]

Noth, on 16 January 2013 - 05:42 AM, said:

I play without Cbill bonuses. I make about as much as I did before the change. The only time you won't is if you were in the top 5% of players or if you were abusing the system before the change.

This is just factually wrong. Maybe if you never won before, and didn't do much damage it would be similar. There are far less bonuses now.

[Praeses]

Roadbuster, on 16 January 2013 - 06:07 AM, said:

Don't you think it's nice to have something to achieve?

Oh, one more thing. How much did you pay for this game and how many hours did it entertain you?

How much time does it take? a week for a couple weapons could be challenging but rewarding

Yes, the "You don't pay so don't complain" argument, you now that in a game that doesn't have bots/npcs players are considered assets? so some of the fun you get it's because there are free players, so I wouldn't treat them like you did

[Noth]

Praeses, on 16 January 2013 - 06:09 AM, said:

Yes, you are playing as a free player, you premium did get reseted after one of the server reset, so you did not play since the beginning as a free player, I work a hell lot more for C-Bills because I always played as a free player, you just doing it now so your "C-Bills" works great now doesn't have a very strong presence

For 3 weeks after OB started I had premium. I played a grand total of maybe 30 games during that time. Not really all that much at all. Since then been completely free, so no, my cbills are good now comes from the fact I've spent most my time playing since OB not using any cbill boosts and my acquisition of items have barely slowed down.

Praeses, on 16 January 2013 - 06:13 AM, said:

How much time does it take? a week for a couple weapons could be challenging but rewarding

In a week I could get an Atlas playing only 2 hours a day. That is much better than a couple weapons.

[Praeses]

HighTest, on 16 January 2013 - 06:12 AM, said:

Praeses -- if you do indeed like the game, the best thing to do is to try and join a team. That way you can group up with them, which will make the game more fun, allow you to use some more tactics, improve your win (and CBill gathering) ratio, and hopefully tie you over until you can get a few more mechs to play around with. Works for me.

There are several problems with that
1 - My english is very rusty so it would be very difficult to communicate (at first at least)
2 - Lag, I'm from Argentina, I got 200 ping, and I don't know how much a teamspeak or similar could affect it
3 - I want to play with friends, I'm not very fond with playing with people a don't know

But if I found a good group I'll do that

Bobzilla, on 16 January 2013 - 06:12 AM, said:

My biggest cbill saving/earning tip is to go to http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/
It has a virtual mech lab that allows you to build mechs to see what fits so you don't make a costly mistakes. It also has lots of other info like weapon stats.

Thanks, I don't really have any problems making that kind of mistakes (I already did those many many times before the last reset) but I'll check the page before spending too much

Regrets, on 16 January 2013 - 06:12 AM, said:

This is just factually wrong. Maybe if you never won before, and didn't do much damage it would be similar. There are far less bonuses now.

I think I could be called an assistant hahaha, I spot, do damage, help capture, help teammates fight, but I have almost never get any kills, all assists (most of the times I don't get the kill because someone take the last shot), I don't mind that someone else get the kill even if I left the enemy almost dead, but I should get rewarded well if I help my team

Edited by Praeses, 16 January 2013 - 06:24 AM.

[Noth]

Regrets, on 16 January 2013 - 06:12 AM, said:

This is just factually wrong. Maybe if you never won before, and didn't do much damage it would be similar. There are far less bonuses now.

No, you aren't accounting for the fact we no longer pay repair bills. We have more bonuses now overall and your earnings depend more on your performance than whether you win or lose. So I will add one more to that list. You only earn less if you were in the top 5%, abused the repair/rearm system, or were constantly carried by teams.

It has actually been proven factually correct.

Edited by Noth, 16 January 2013 - 06:29 AM.

[Roadbuster]

Praeses, on 16 January 2013 - 05:46 AM, said:

1. Technically speaking nothing is going to change soon, so there's no point to make any suggestion

2. More rewards or better implemented ones could be a good change

3. You like to say content, I noticed that, because you have been saying content from several post, I did say that the game have few maps and two modes (that can be argued but for the sake of simplicity lets make them two) but I never said that I wanted more maps or modes, and I didn't ask for more mechs (more mechs without being able to use them is a dumb request)

4. There's no advice on how to get C-Bills faster, if I wanted C-Bills quickly I would just play matches, go suicidal and play another match (I bet that way I can get more C-Bills)

5.I thought about going suicidal, got two mechs so it can be done (I don't know if trials can be used to do this, if it can I could go even quicker)

6. You have made clear that I should do this instead of making a suggestion

1. That's right.
2. That's what's comming.
3. So all you want is more CB and nothing to buy with it. (see what I did there?)
4. The advice to get more CB is to be a "good" player and contribute as much as you can.
5. With such a comment you disqualify yourself. And just fyi, you have to suicide alot to get as much as you do with a good game.
6. You didn't mane a single suggestion. All you say is "I want".