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[Praeses]

Noth, on 16 January 2013 - 06:16 AM, said:

For 3 weeks after OB started I had premium. I played a grand total of maybe 30 games during that time. Not really all that much at all. Since then been completely free, so no, my cbills are good now comes from the fact I've spent most my time playing since OB not using any cbill boosts and my acquisition of items have barely slowed down.



In a week I could get an Atlas playing only 2 hours a day. That is much better than a couple weapons.

being a founder doesn't mean that you played at CB also?

An atlas cost between 9 - 11M I believe, there's no way I could get that money, even playing 4 hours a day concentrating as best I can in the game... The best I can do is like 8 - 9 assists, several spot, components destroyed, and captured base assist, that I think gives me like 200K (250K to be generous). But I can't play all matches like that, teams have to be balanced, both team have to be united (at least mine does).

I play to win the match, I don't go on a mech hunt as many people do (you see many that leave their teammates die because they are hunting a mech or don't want to fight against 4 mechs to try and help his tm)

[HighTest]

Praeses, on 16 January 2013 - 06:24 AM, said:

There are several problems with that
1 - My english is very rusty so it would be very difficult to communicate (at first at least)
2 - Lag, I'm from Argentina, I got 200 ping, and I don't know how much a teamspeak or similar could affect it
3 - I want to play with friends, I'm not very fond with playing with people a don't know

But if I found a good group I'll do that

Easy peasy. Just go hunt down your friends, and tell them to install MW:O immediately and start playing with you. Otherwise you will have to make fun of them for playing other lame games like CoD or BF or Quake or whatever it is they play. Say it like a military command, maybe they'll listen better.

The more the merrier!

[Noth]

Praeses, on 16 January 2013 - 06:31 AM, said:

being a founder doesn't mean that you played at CB also?

An atlas cost between 9 - 11M I believe, there's no way I could get that money, even playing 4 hours a day concentrating as best I can in the game... The best I can do is like 8 - 9 assists, several spot, components destroyed, and captured base assist, that I think gives me like 200K (250K to be generous). But I can't play all matches like that, teams have to be balanced, both team have to be united (at least mine does).

I play to win the match, I don't go on a mech hunt as many people do (you see many that leave their teammates die because they are hunting a mech or don't want to fight against 4 mechs to try and help his tm)

Yes I played CB. Guess what, we got nothing from CB. All Cbills, Mechlab and everything was reset when OB hit. If you can get 1 million or more in 2 hours you can get an Atlas in 7-10 days (not bad for a casual player). And that is with averaging 80-100K a match. Heck I played 2 hours the other day where I was constantly stomped yet still pulled in right at 1 million at the 2 hour mark. your income ultimately depends on how you perform.

I play to win as well. I often win by cap (hurts my income). I've been TK'd before because I chose to cap to ensure victory insted of hunting the 2 last mechs.

Edited by Noth, 16 January 2013 - 06:38 AM.

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Noth, on 16 January 2013 - 06:29 AM, said:

No, you aren't accounting for the fact we no longer pay repair bills. We have more bonuses now overall and your earnings depend more on your performance than whether you win or lose. So I will add one more to that list. You only earn less if you were in the top 5%, abused the repair/rearm system, or were constantly carried by teams.

It has actually been proven factually correct.

For example, I just get 26k cbills for cap win. You are wrong. It is way less now. Please stop spreading these kind of misstatements.

[Praeses]

Roadbuster, on 16 January 2013 - 06:30 AM, said:

1. That's right.
2. That's what's comming.
3. So all you want is more CB and nothing to buy with it. (see what I did there?)
4. The advice to get more CB is to be a "good" player and contribute as much as you can.
5. With such a comment you disqualify yourself. And just fyi, you have to suicide alot to get as much as you do with a good game.
6. You didn't mane a single suggestion. All you say is "I want".

if 1 is true then this subforum has no purpose

2 you just say that I asked things that are not coming so.....

3 I they stop adding mechs right now I would still have mechs to buy for the next 2 - 3 month (playing a lot as to get the CB)

4 as I said in another post, contribute doesn't pay, I had been in matches where I help every single tm I saw was I trouble, I nearly kill almost 4 mechs on my own, helped with spotting, capping and still get less reward that the hunter players who don't give a damn about their team and goes in a mech hunt

5 with any comment I disqualify myself according to the great khans

6 all suggestions are things that the OP want, or did you know about someone who made a suggestion that he/she didn't want?

next time I make a suggestion I'll say "hey... I really don't want that you make this but I wanted to suggested it"

[Noth]

Regrets, on 16 January 2013 - 06:37 AM, said:

For example, I just get 26k cbills for cap win. You are wrong. It is way less now. Please stop spreading these kind of misstatements.

Capping is the only thing that gives less Cbills. If you fight and everything dies (which should happen if the other team defends it's base) and you play well you will make on average just as much as before.

[Piranha]

Regrets, on 16 January 2013 - 06:12 AM, said:

This is just factually wrong. Maybe if you never won before, and didn't do much damage it would be similar. There are far less bonuses now.

I pretty much always earn about the same amount of money if I'm in the winning team, and unless I'm trying a new mech that I'm not used to, I tend to be in the top half of the statistics (well used to be before the light mech + ecm + streak nightmare made piloting heavies rather difficult).

There have been only 2 noticeable changes:
*) When the free repair&rearm was disabled, net rewards went down unless you exploited the rearm mechanism
*) When repair&rearm mechanism has been removed completely, net rewards went up again.

If you see a decrease in your rewards, then it is probably because passive (early death automatically leads to "passivity") rewards went down and rewards for active contribution went up. So I highly recommend to take a more active role in battle while at the same time trying to survive longer.

Losing a game (especially if you are one of the first to die) is a whole other story regarding rewards, but for me personally the psychological issues of losing are far more severe than the lack of any virtual game rewards, so I can't really contribute to the discussion.


@ Praeses

gmail in beta for decades.. gimme a break!
It was launched as invite-only (beta) in 2004 and became available to everyone in 2007 (while still called a "beta"), that isn't even 9 years. (I'm not even going to start about how silly it is to compare the development of a webmail solution with that of a triple-A game...)

[Praeses]

HighTest, on 16 January 2013 - 06:31 AM, said:

Easy peasy. Just go hunt down your friends, and tell them to install MW:O immediately and start playing with you. Otherwise you will have to make fun of them for playing other lame games like CoD or BF or Quake or whatever it is they play. Say it like a military command, maybe they'll listen better.

The more the merrier!

I tried.... I haven't been so lucky on the convincing part

Noth, on 16 January 2013 - 06:37 AM, said:

Yes I played CB. Guess what, we got nothing from CB. All Cbills, Mechlab and everything was reset when OB hit. If you can get 1 million or more in 2 hours you can get an Atlas in 7-10 days (not bad for a casual player). And that is with averaging 80-100K a match. Heck I played 2 hours the other day where I was constantly stomped yet still pulled in right at 1 million at the 2 hour mark. your income ultimately depends on how you perform.

I play to win as well. I often win by cap (hurts my income). I've been TK'd before because I chose to cap to ensure victory insted of hunting the 2 last mechs.

Didn't the first to get invited where the people who paid? and weren't some founders mech with CB boost given to the founders? and I think that mc was available from the start

See where I'm going? You're arguing about how CB is not hard to get with someone that start playing at the same time that you did but never had any mc, premium time, boost, etc.... getting CB is hard, heck I don't even know when I'm gonna get at least one module unlocked because I earn about 60 GPX (at the very best) per match and I need 5K minimum....

[Noth]

Praeses, on 16 January 2013 - 06:47 AM, said:

I tried.... I haven't been so lucky on the convincing part



Didn't the first to get invited where the people who paid? and weren't some founders mech with CB boost given to the founders? and I think that mc was available from the start

See where I'm going? You're arguing about how CB is not hard to get with someone that start playing at the same time that you did but never had any mc, premium time, boost, etc.... getting CB is hard, heck I don't even know when I'm gonna get at least one module unlocked because I earn about 60 GPX (at the very best) per match and I need 5K minimum....

As I said, I didn't use my founders mechs. My premium time is not started. I've been earning as a free player longer than I have as a paying player (since the OB start). I'm not a good player, I'm average at best and I can get a million in 2 hours. It's not hard. Then in about 10 days I can get an Atlas if I desire. That is pretty dang good for a casual in a ftp game. Oh and modules are endgame items. They are meant to take forever to get.

[Praeses]

Piranha, on 16 January 2013 - 06:44 AM, said:

I pretty much always earn about the same amount of money if I'm in the winning team, and unless I'm trying a new mech that I'm not used to, I tend to be in the top half of the statistics (well used to be before the light mech + ecm + streak nightmare made piloting heavies rather difficult).

There have been only 2 noticeable changes:
*) When the free repair&rearm was disabled, net rewards went down unless you exploited the rearm mechanism
*) When repair&rearm mechanism has been removed completely, net rewards went up again.

If you see a decrease in your rewards, then it is probably because passive (early death automatically leads to "passivity") rewards went down and rewards for active contribution went up. So I highly recommend to take a more active role in battle while at the same time trying to survive longer.

Losing a game (especially if you are one of the first to die) is a whole other story regarding rewards, but for me personally the psychological issues of losing are far more severe than the lack of any virtual game rewards, so I can't really contribute to the discussion.


@ Praeses

gmail in beta for decades.. gimme a break!
It was launched as invite-only (beta) in 2004 and became available to everyone in 2007 (while still called a "beta"), that isn't even 9 years. (I'm not even going to start about how silly it is to compare the development of a webmail solution with that of a triple-A game...)

Ops about the gmail beta I get carried away, anyway... I put it as an example because the beta status remained because people liked it, I wasn't comparing the two on a "difficulty" level.

I'm almost at the top half of the statistics, I even remembered being surprise at ending at 3º and 4º place most of the times because I don't get kills very often

[Praeses]

Noth, on 16 January 2013 - 06:51 AM, said:

As I said, I didn't use my founders mechs. My premium time is not started. I've been earning as a free player longer than I have as a paying player (since the OB start). I'm not a good player, I'm average at best and I can get a million in 2 hours. It's not hard. Then in about 10 days I can get an Atlas if I desire. That is pretty dang good for a casual in a ftp game. Oh and modules are endgame items. They are meant to take forever to get.

Ok, about the modules, I think a saw too much players using them, they just look endgame items for me, but not for the rest, using mc you can unlock them in a heartbeat (I don't think it's a very good deal though) You just have to get xp and make it gxp, so no much endgame items

[Noth]

Praeses, on 16 January 2013 - 06:57 AM, said:

Ok, about the modules, I think a saw too much players using them, they just look endgame items for me, but not for the rest, using mc you can unlock them in a heartbeat (I don't think it's a very good deal though) You just have to get xp and make it gxp, so no much endgame items

That is part of being free to play. You pay for time saving things. There are also some players that just play a ton and thus unlocked them without paying. Just like everything else in the game, you either put in the time to get what you want or you pay to lessen that time. Modules are end game items, just because someone play like mad and gets them before you doesn't mean they aren't end game items.

[Roadbuster]

Just 3 things that were very obvious.

1. A suggestion is when you "suggest" something. Tell us how you would increase CB income. What would you reward, how much would you give players,...

2. You say that you get 8-9 assists...you can't get more than 8 assists for 8 opponents, and

3. you do get rewarded for assists. In fact you get the same ammount of CB for an assist as you get for a kill.

[Praeses]

Noth, on 16 January 2013 - 07:00 AM, said:

That is part of being free to play. You pay for time saving things. There are also some players that just play a ton and thus unlocked them without paying. Just like everything else in the game, you either put in the time to get what you want or you pay to lessen that time. Modules are end game items, just because someone play like mad and gets them before you doesn't mean they aren't end game items.

The free to play argument can't be used to say "let's give half CB to free players", there must be some limit, you can't just have free players go without being able to do nothing, players are assets as well as customers in this type of games, you can't make them too unhappy

[Noth]

Praeses, on 16 January 2013 - 07:04 AM, said:

The free to play argument can't be used to say "let's give half CB to free players", there must be some limit, you can't just have free players go without being able to do nothing, players are assets as well as customers in this type of games, you can't make them too unhappy

What? The entire basis of free to play is based off of having some sort of "grind" if you wish to call it so and having the ability to lessen that grind by paying money. Free players can do anything the paying ones can (outside of get hero mechs or buy mechbays, but mechbays are cheap). you can get that module, it will just take you longer. You can get that atlas, it will just take you longer. That is the entire basis of free to play. In all honesty, the grind in this game is not that bad at all compared to most free to play games.

[Regrets]

Noth, on 16 January 2013 - 06:39 AM, said:

Capping is the only thing that gives less Cbills. If you fight and everything dies (which should happen if the other team defends it's base) and you play well you will make on average just as much as before.

Ok. I provided factual analysis, now it's your turn. Until then *****yawwwwwwwwwnnnnn*****.

[Praeses]

Roadbuster, on 16 January 2013 - 07:04 AM, said:

Just 3 things that were very obvious.

1. A suggestion is when you "suggest" something. Tell us how you would increase CB income. What would you reward, how much would you give players,...

2. You say that you get 8-9 assists...you can't get more than 8 assists for 8 opponents, and

3. you do get rewarded for assists. In fact you get the same ammount of CB for an assist as you get for a kill.

1 - saying that something is wrong it's suggesting that you should at least look at it

2 - oh sorry my lord I made a mistake! I will go and throw myself to a burning pit to wash away my sins.... ¬¬ really.... you marked that mistake.... that's the kind of arguments you are going to use? what's next? a grammar correction?

3 - that's funny, I should be first on the statistics on several matches but I don't... I'm behind the ones who got kills, And match I'd killed mechs gives me more CB and xp that matches where I only assisted, even if I assisted more

[Noth]

Regrets, on 16 January 2013 - 07:10 AM, said:

Ok. I provided factual analysis, now it's your turn. Until then *****yawwwwwwwwwnnnnn*****.

Pirahna already did. Then there are the numerous older threads on the subject that did so.

[Praeses]

Noth, on 16 January 2013 - 07:09 AM, said:

What? The entire basis of free to play is based off of having some sort of "grind" if you wish to call it so and having the ability to lessen that grind by paying money. Free players can do anything the paying ones can (outside of get hero mechs or buy mechbays, but mechbays are cheap). you can get that module, it will just take you longer. You can get that atlas, it will just take you longer. That is the entire basis of free to play. In all honesty, the grind in this game is not that bad at all compared to most free to play games.

I don't say that we shouldn't grind if we don't pay.... but ok... I always saw the "internet discussion" memes but I didn't think that were so accurate.

Regrets, on 16 January 2013 - 07:10 AM, said:

Ok. I provided factual analysis, now it's your turn. Until then *****yawwwwwwwwwnnnnn*****.

I don't get to whom is this msg intended

[Regrets]

Noth, on 16 January 2013 - 07:13 AM, said:

Pirahna already did. Then there are the numerous older threads on the subject that did so.

If you lose (if you are pugging you can count on it) then you get jack. Ok, so get 4 kills and 4 assists and its not a problem. I want to see your 1 kill game where you get 80k. I don't see it.