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[Cole Allard]

Imperius, on 20 January 2013 - 10:44 PM, said:

This is considered a beta and should be treated as such. So when you (PGI) claim this game is no longer BETA. You should reset and refund premium time wasted when the game unplayable by most.

Well...we could go into a long discussion and I could start explaining why a reset will never and CAN never happen. There is one financial and another, more logical reason. If you focus real hard, I'm sure you will find them yourself.

No need to make a whole thread about it. And...forget that "beta" word, it will just build illusions you dont need. Its not beta, even if the devs love telling and showing you that. Just ask yourself, does a beta have customers like MWO? No! It has testers, and testers dont pay!

[Noth]

Cole Allard, on 21 January 2013 - 01:23 AM, said:

Well...we could go into a long discussion and I could start explaining why a reset will never and CAN never happen. There is one financial and another, more logical reason. If you focus real hard, I'm sure you will find them yourself.

No need to make a whole thread about it. And...forget that "beta" word, it will just build illusions you dont need. Its not beta, even if the devs love telling and showing you that. Just ask yourself, does a beta have customers like MWO? No! It has testers, and testers dont pay!

This day and age, particularly with f2p games, yes open betas have customers. PGI is just doing a unique thing of having an actual real testing type of Open beta while having customers.

[LethalKisses]

All i have to say on this topic is that i DID expect things to be moving foreward at a faster pace than they have when i started my premium time .......

[Voidsinger]

I think people need to look at this time differently.

With the option to use premium, you can build up your skill set and mechs in hangars to quite a large amount. Clearing the decks.

To do something like Community Warfare, then they will reinstate Repair and Rearm (probably tweaked with data they likely collect now on costs).

You have an edge in skillbuilding. You have an edge in asset building.

I chose to press the button. I have certain goals I wish to achieve, and am on track to achieve them, ECM or not.

Use what remains wisely. We are in a time where you can gain a huge advantage over other players coming in later.

[Inertiaman]

Cole Allard, on 21 January 2013 - 01:23 AM, said:

Well...we could go into a long discussion and I could start explaining why a reset will never and CAN never happen. There is one financial and another, more logical reason. If you focus real hard, I'm sure you will find them yourself.

You could but malleble technicalities aside it's because they've chosen not to.

[Remarius]

Imperius, on 20 January 2013 - 11:26 PM, said:

Thats why I said stats and premium time. The only things effected by lack of a stable balanced game. Not C-bills or experience. For god sake the fact we still play this neglected game they should be happy.

Never going to happen for a multitude of reasons but to sum up your argument: "Hey guys my stats are crap and I'm not really playing much so give me back everything ... don't take my xp though!!"

[SixPrime]

No sir, no reset

[Felix]

And this is why I was not stupid enough to start my premium time!

I am going to wait to see if they can pull this game out of the grave before I bother activating my time

[Inertiaman]

I'm far more bothered about the MC (read, real money) that's now effectively wasted on non-ecm mechs than I am about a 1:1 kd and I'd happily lose my XP to regain it.

[Voidsinger]

Inertiaman, on 21 January 2013 - 01:38 AM, said:

I'm far more bothered about the MC (read, real money) that's now effectively wasted on non-ecm mechs than I am about a 1:1 kd and I'd happily lose my XP to regain it.

That may be true for you, but some of us have put quite a bit of effort in on the "no reset" rule.

Ask too often for resets, and they may just refund and wipe your account (including founder status).

They said no resets after Open Beta.

If you were unsure, you should not have pressed the button.

Money on non-ECM mechs isn't wasted, since finally ECM status was always up in the air.

[Inertiaman]

What part of an optional reset makes this your problem?

[Cole Allard]

Guys, you dont get it - do you?

There will be no reset what so ever in MC, GXP or C-Bills.

Will this discussion start once a month, or everytime a "new" player is around for 2 weeks and wakes up with an astonishing new idea??!? Please dont !

You can NOT create a virtual currency, take cash from people and then restart everything after the thing is running. Financial credibility...we all have our problems with bugs and so on in game...thats ok (or not)...but touching the payment model get us to a whole different level of...

...well...you get my point hopefully.

[Imperius]

Cole Allard, on 21 January 2013 - 02:10 AM, said:

Guys, you dont get it - do you?

There will be no reset what so ever in MC, GXP or C-Bills.

Will this discussion start once a month, or everytime a "new" player is around for 2 weeks and wakes up with an astonishing new idea??!? Please dont !

You can NOT create a virtual currency, take cash from people and then restart everything after the thing is running. Financial credibility...we all have our problems with bugs and so on in game...thats ok (or not)...but touching the payment model get us to a whole different level of...

...well...you get my point hopefully.

Again I said premium time and stats you ***** learn to read!

[Elizander]

Hello thread, it's been awhile... wait, no it hasn't.

[Voidsinger]

Imperius, on 21 January 2013 - 02:14 AM, said:

Again I said premium time and stats you ***** learn to read!

A Stats reset is on the cards, although I'd say total XP and total games would need to be displayed separately, esp with public stats, and you can put a little note at the bottom that they are the post matchmaker ELO stats.

Premium time is just that. You're asking for more playtime than you paid for on the grounds the game is unplayable. The problem you face is that if PGI admitted that for even a single person, then under certain Consumer Laws they would need to do the same arrangement for all (unsure about Canadian laws).

Certainly, while the game is tougher and more painful, it hardly reaches the state of unplayable. Other factors can cause just as much grief. Try that with any commercial game you buy (and lets be honest there have been some stinkers that cost far more than MWO released to an unsuspecting general public), and watch yourself get laughed out of court, since you bought into a product that was known to be under development.

[Battle Hawk]

I don't want them to reset, I have 29 mechs, I don't want to rebuy, respend skill points and repaint all of them... I'm playing almost everyday and I'm having a lot of fun... There are bugs, but I wouldn't say that it's not playable... Please... Please... no reset....

[Imperius]

I'm saying since they want to hide behind the word beta they should give us consumers our premium time back for botching up the game and not even fixing it! How hard would it be to remove ECM till they figure it out? No! Lets keep it in change nothing and watch 10 people leave a day, and 100 topics pop up every hour about LIGHT ECM mechs!

[Ewigan]

My stats are well.... i tend to ignore them most of the time, i will party when i finally reach my 1.0 K/D-ratio though ( am at 0.96 so far).
So regarding that i do not mind a wipe.
But when it comes to Mechs/Money/XP then i am completely against it.

It was said that there WON'T be another wipe, and i invested hours of hours in this game, finetuning and mastering my mechs.
If they would all be gone, i guess that would be the one (and only) reason for me to can the game and move on to something different.

[Imperius]

Battle Hawk, on 21 January 2013 - 02:25 AM, said:

I don't want them to reset, I have 29 mechs, I don't want to rebuy, respend skill points and repaint all of them... I'm playing almost everyday and I'm having a lot of fun... There are bugs, but I wouldn't say that it's not playable... Please... Please... no reset....

Do they teach people how to read in school anymore? Where out of STATS and PREMIUM TIME do you get XP, C-BILLS, and MC? Where is Ashton Kutcher? Am I being punk'ed or do this many ******* exist?

Edited by Imperius, 21 January 2013 - 02:33 AM.

[Fooooo]

MoonUnitBeta, on 21 January 2013 - 12:22 AM, said:

However, I would not mind a stat reset. Actually. I won't mind if stats were removed until it was released.

I wouldnt put it past them to do a reset of most of the stats (probably not any hidden ranking / elo stats) when we hit the proper release version.

I won't bet all my money on it, but id say theres above 50% chance it will happen.