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[General Taskeen]

I like how PGI claims more game modes would segregate the community, when the proposed plans for 3rd Person will control who you play against by the options they choose, and yet no Terrain Control game mode, the most superior game mode of any Mech Warrior proven by MW:LL.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

AlexEss, on 23 March 2013 - 08:44 AM, said:

See... this guy/gal gets it. Or at least part of it.

It is coming, so why not put your energy in to figuring out ways to make it as non intrusive as you can instead of flogging what is in essence a very dead horse.

it needs to be in the game for a very simple reason: marketting. Theyre marketting it in all third person. Look at the videos they make for the game and count up the number of in cockpit screenshots you see.

General Taskeen, on 23 March 2013 - 09:19 AM, said:

I like how PGI claims more game modes would segregate the community, when the proposed plans for 3rd Person will control who you play against by the options they choose, and yet no Terrain Control game mode, the most superior game mode of any Mech Warrior proven by MW:LL.

Yeah that quote scared me, realizing that this is likely all the game modes we're going to get for a long time.

[NocturnalBeast]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 23 March 2013 - 09:18 AM, said:

they say that NOW. They also said that we'd never have 3rd person. What they say of that position now is "yes that was our position at the time".
Will you still be OK if their position later on is that they DONT need to split the ques?

As long as we have the choice to not drop with or against people using 3rd person, I can live with PGI changing their mind on "never" adding it to the game. I am even willing to wait in a longer queue to be able to play against people who don't need a special mode so they can look around corners.

[Solomon Ward]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 23 March 2013 - 09:18 AM, said:

they say that NOW. They also said that we'd never have 3rd person. What they say of that position now is "yes that was our position at the time".
Will you still be OK if their position later on is that they DONT need to split the ques?

No and i will be very vocal about my disappointment and feel cheated.

I might even regret why i didn´t join the anti-3rd person view task force in the past.

For now i am open and hope it doesnt influence my queue times.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Wanna see something damn funny?

http://mwomercs.com/...d-obscure-devs/

Look at the lock message of the mod

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So yes, there have been discussions of 3rd person. No, we did not intend to suggest that a third person view is 'coming soon.' And please remember:

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Garth Erlam, on 16 November 2012 - 03:59 PM, said:

MechWarrior Online is, and will always be, a game focused on 1st person combat in Mechs. That experience is sacrosanct to the classic Mechwarrior experience.

nice troll

Edward Steiner, on 23 March 2013 - 09:35 AM, said:

As long as we have the choice to not drop with or against people using 3rd person, I can live with PGI changing their mind on "never" adding it to the game. I am even willing to wait in a longer queue to be able to play against people who don't need a special mode so they can look around corners.

so what about when THAT "never" becomes "well that was our position at the time" like this one did and the coolant one did?

[Joseph Mallan]

DocBach, on 22 March 2013 - 06:36 PM, said:

This pretty clearly shows that the majority of players still want 3rd person in the game -- Its only the vocal forum minorities who care.

Yes. Who cares what a mere 86% of the voting players have said so far!

[jakucha]

Edward Steiner, on 23 March 2013 - 09:35 AM, said:

As long as we have the choice to not drop with or against people using 3rd person, I can live with PGI changing their mind on "never" adding it to the game. I am even willing to wait in a longer queue to be able to play against people who don't need a special mode so they can look around corners.

Luckily I don't think a longer queue would happen.

[RagenBull]

I love 3rd person views in every game I play. I would use 3rd person view but i voted no because i see way to many balancing issuses. It also makes it feel like and arcade game rather then a simulation.

[hammerreborn]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 23 March 2013 - 09:18 AM, said:

they say that NOW. They also said that we'd never have 3rd person. What they say of that position now is "yes that was our position at the time".
Will you still be OK if their position later on is that they DONT need to split the ques?

Show me a dev post where PGI says they will never implement 3rd. Not posts that say it'll be first person out the gate, not focusing on 1st person. Unequivocally saying "we will NEVER do this". And the whole posts, not these damn modified take **** out of context ones people keep throwing around.

I'm not holding my breath, because I've actually read the posts and actually have reading comprehension skills.

Bring on 3rd person even if it means all the damn QQ ceases immediately on the boards. But let's face it, you all aren't actually going to leave.

Joseph Mallan, on 23 March 2013 - 11:02 AM, said:

Yes. Who cares what a mere 86% of the voting players have said so far! <_<

When those 86% don't even account for 1% of a weekend contest population?

Edited by hammerreborn, 23 March 2013 - 06:20 PM.

[Inconspicuous]

Rejarial Galatan, on 23 January 2013 - 10:27 PM, said:

Okay folks, here we go again. As we all already know, they <PGI/IGP> are 'considering' the addition of third person views. We had a poll in which over 5000 people voted and said no. That poll has well, been altered to remove the poll itself. So, vote again.

[SouthernRex]

Our current poll is 1300+ vs 100. I mean really.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

SouthernRex, on 23 March 2013 - 06:28 PM, said:

Our current poll is 1300+ vs 100. I mean really.

read the first few pages of the third person thread they stuffed into the subforum.
Specifically where Bryan I think it is repeatedly says
FOURTH post down:

Bryan Ekman, on 21 March 2013 - 03:58 PM, said:

This thread is not about whether or not 3rd person should it exist. Rather, we want your feedback on how it should be implemented. Understand we're not debating the merits of having 3rd person or not.

Its not about IF. Theyre doing it whether we like it or not.

Edited by Mechwarrior Buddah, 23 March 2013 - 10:33 PM.

[Caleb Lee]

Utilyan, on 23 January 2013 - 11:24 PM, said:

It was in every mechwarrior before.

You don't remember "external camera.........engaged"?

Course you don't cause half ya'll are noobs and this is your first mech game.

And I want to see my pimped out mech.

Are you guys so scared of 3rd person? is that really gonna up the skill for the kiddies who can't handle 1st?

I thought this was Mechwarrior.........I must have accidently stumbled into MechWuss online.

If 3rd person could make any y'all better they oughta give you 4th and 5th person too.

I don't know how you can start whining over something you haven't even seen yourself, what they got in mind might be absolutely impressive, you don't know.

You lucky my printer is broke.......i'd print this thread just to have a list of wuss i got to spank in game.

Just because it was in prior games doesn't mean it's a good thing.

Heck, let's bring back Mechwarrior 3's horrendous hit code. I remember having to shoot 6-8 mech lengths in front of a Strider small laser energy boat

Better yet... why don't we completely get rid of all hard points and allow a mech to mount whatever it wanted wherever it wanted same as in MW3?

I could start listing a lot of the features prior MW games implemented but failed epicly at...

Let me ask you one question. Where in the BattleTech universe were pilots able to get outside their vehicles and survey what was going on around them while staying in the cozy (hot) confines of their cockpits?

Bout the only thing was satellite, dropship or warship, LAM/AeroSpace Fighters... I don't recall a tether on a balloon or something with a camera on it extending out the back of a mech to the point most 3rd person cheese games allow.

[Frater Sender]

For making videos nobody needs any 3rd person view. Therefore you need a free cam view and the ability to watch a game as a spectator. So a real warrior votes no to 3rd person view!!! But when PGI want it in, so let us have a decline button for marked 3rd person-view-games.... that will teach em what the people want to play or not.....

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

This is why they are cramming 3rd person in:



Count the number of in cockpit shots you see.
Theyre advertising it AS third person.

[DirePhoenix]

We're supposed to be playing as MechWarriors, not as the 'Mechs themselves, so how about a third-person view of the pilot? Move the camera from the pilot's eyeballs to right over the pilot's shoulder instead!

Also regarding a spectator mode... This would not work for live games, as dead pilots would be able to report and share to the rest of their teams intelligence about things the living pilots wouldn't be able to spot themselves. The only way a live spectator mode would work is for something like eSports where the people running the event control the camera and the only people that can "spectate" are those that not actually in the match.

For screenshots and/or machinima, we need a "replay" mode, something like what Bungie did for HALO3: your previous match is saved as a file that you can save and view later. This would allow users to review the entire match, with free camera controls, and grab screenshots and video from outside the pilot's view.

[DirePhoenix]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 24 March 2013 - 12:36 AM, said:

This is why they are cramming 3rd person in:



Count the number of in cockpit shots you see.
Theyre advertising it AS third person.

It looks to me like all those "out of cockpit" shots are just zoomed in first-person shots or regular shots taken from a 'mech with devtools to turn the cockpit geometry off.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

DirePhoenix, on 24 March 2013 - 12:46 AM, said:

It looks to me like all those "out of cockpit" shots are just zoomed in first-person shots or regular shots taken from a 'mech with devtools to turn the cockpit geometry off.

Ya but given theres like 3 in cockpit shots in the whole thing, they seem to be advertising it 3rd person more than 1st.
However they GOT the shots is kind of irrelevant

Edited by Mechwarrior Buddah, 24 March 2013 - 01:06 AM.

[Lheo]

If you like 3d, play it , if you dont like 3 d dont play in 3d view? Whats the prob?

[Corvus Antaka]

Lheo, on 24 March 2013 - 01:43 AM, said:

If you like 3d, play it , if you dont like 3 d dont play in 3d view? Whats the prob?

This man has a point. AS long as we dont have to play vs 3rd person players, who cares?

however all competitive drops etc need to be first person, or need to be seperated into 2 tourneys - the 3rd person tourney and the first person tourney.