565 replies to this topic

[Joseph Mallan]

Teralitha, on 25 March 2013 - 05:28 AM, said:

The poll choices are skewed,

Really? I knew and I still voted against. I can see how it can be abused even if the DEVs say they can stop it. I've been in the gaming worlds for 30+ years, I have seen very few rules that someone could not exploit or work around,

[Captain Wolfsburg]

Teralitha, on 25 March 2013 - 05:28 AM, said:

The poll choices are skewed, and do not reflect the knowledge that 3rd person will be a separate game mode and that no one will have to play it if they do not want to, but assumes that it will be a forced choice when it is not. This is why PGI ignores you. The poll choices are very poorly worded and totally inaccurate to the truth.

Re write the poll with proper unbiased poll choices and start with a fresh one.

Have you even read any of the thread's replies? Even if the poll is flawed, it's pretty clear people who are opposed to this understand how it will be implemented, and are still passionately against it due to the obvious split it will create in the already small (and soon to be split into smaller groups) player base.

[DrBunji]

As much as I agree with everything in this thread im sad to say that;
The Devs have allready said that they couldn't give a single **** about what we think

They just said "oh all that backlass including that poll that is the heaviest poll ever made on this forum is just whiney neckbeards - and we allready have their money so **** them"

Edited by DrBunji, 25 March 2013 - 06:06 AM.

[Teralitha]

A5mod3us, on 25 March 2013 - 05:33 AM, said:

Have you even read any of the thread's replies? Even if the poll is flawed, it's pretty clear people who are opposed to this understand how it will be implemented, and are still passionately against it due to the obvious split it will create in the already small (and soon to be split into smaller groups) player base.

The poll results are based on a lie though. So its kind of pointless. I would like to point out that I also hate 3rd person, and would never play it, I am just pointing out why PGI is and should be ignoring this poll.

Edited by Teralitha, 25 March 2013 - 06:08 AM.

[Alois Hammer]

Teralitha, on 25 March 2013 - 05:28 AM, said:

The poll choices are skewed, and do not reflect the knowledge that 3rd person will be a separate game mode and that no one will have to play it if they do not want to, but assumes that it will be a forced choice when it is not.

Actually it reflects the knowledge that "1st Person and 3rd Person will be separated" is likely to go the way of "Coolant Flush won't be added," but do enjoy that Kool-Aid Coolant you're so eagerly lapping up.

[DrBunji]

Alois Hammer, on 25 March 2013 - 06:43 AM, said:

Actually it reflects the knowledge that "1st Person and 3rd Person will be separated" is likely to go the way of "Coolant Flush won't be added," but do enjoy that Kool-Aid Coolant you're so eagerly lapping up.

Dont forget the "the game is 100% 1PV, maybe with 3pv as a far feature extra feature after launch some time"

oh wait thats not a lie its just that "the conditions have changed". Hey PGI, thats the nature of a statement such as these; they stay the same even if conditions change.

[Teralitha]

Alois Hammer, on 25 March 2013 - 06:43 AM, said:

Actually it reflects the knowledge that "1st Person and 3rd Person will be separated" is likely to go the way of "Coolant Flush won't be added," but do enjoy that Kool-Aid Coolant you're so eagerly lapping up.

Its not mentioned in the poll topic, or the poll choices. So yeah... Im right, and you are wrong.

[KingCobra]

Most of you are just fools or fooling yourself about MWO staying a first person perspective game and if 3rd person makes it into the game I will welcome it just like millions did for past MechWarrior titles. The only thing PGI could do wrong is not segregate the 2 views in drops if they do segregate first and 3rd person views I see it as a big win for everyone.

[Captain Wolfsburg]

Teralitha, on 25 March 2013 - 06:06 AM, said:

The poll results are based on a lie though. So its kind of pointless. I would like to point out that I also hate 3rd person, and would never play it, I am just pointing out why PGI is and should be ignoring this poll.

Ah, so the poll is a lie, but never mind the lie from PGI about how MWO will always be a purely 1st person simulator-style game?

Seriously dude, even if what you suggest is true, that doesn't really make PGI look any better in the eyes of the public. It actually makes them look more pig-headed and ego-inflated.

Of course, I don't see them that way. I see them as misguided, and most likely at the whim of IGP, who's major concern is the profitability of the franchise. If IGP thinks 3rd person is going to bring in more money, then they'll twist PGI's arm until it's in.

At the end of the day, I fault no-one but commercialism, and if it ruins my game experience when implemented, I just move on and say, "It was fun while it lasted."

But I'm going to keep enjoying his game while it's good. So far, they've done a great job, balancing issues aside.

KingCobra, on 25 March 2013 - 10:00 AM, said:

Most of you are just fools or fooling yourself about MWO staying a first person perspective game and if 3rd person makes it into the game I will welcome it just like millions did for past MechWarrior titles. The only thing PGI could do wrong is not segregate the 2 views in drops if they do segregate first and 3rd person views I see it as a big win for everyone.

Millions? I highly doubt MW4 ever had a even a million player following, let alone multi-million. I don't even think the BT/MW franchise' fanbase is a million strong right now...

Also, 3rd person in MW4 was also terrible, and many people hated it. But when it's the best MW game out, what else are you going to pay as a fan?

[RedDragon]

KingCobra, on 25 March 2013 - 10:00 AM, said:

The only thing PGI could do wrong is not segregate the 2 views in drops if they do segregate first and 3rd person views I see it as a big win for everyone.

Except for the community as a whole. Reduces possible matchmaking by half or something, depending on how many people play the different view modes. Add to this regional servers and more game modes and you will always drop with the same few people again and again. We don't need 3d-person view and we certainly don't need further player segregation.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

RedDragon, on 25 March 2013 - 05:10 PM, said:

Except for the community as a whole. Reduces possible matchmaking by half or something, depending on how many people play the different view modes. Add to this regional servers and more game modes and you will always drop with the same few people again and again. We don't need 3d-person view and we certainly don't need further player segregation.

thirds actually cause i you look at the OP of the 3rd person thread, he specifically states 3 ques. One being 1st person playing with 3rd person (which he bolded and underlined in that very same post earlier they would never do), one 3rd person only, one 1st person only.
Proof:
http://mwomercs.com/...ost__p__2103359

Bryan Ekman, on 21 March 2013 - 03:38 PM, said:

Players will never be forced to use or play against other players using 3rd person.

and later:

Quote

You will have the following options as a player:

• Play against 1st and 3rd person players.
  
• Play against 3rd person players only.
  
• Play against 1st person players only.
  
• Players can set their preference in the options menu, or during the launch phase before matchmaking.

Bolded option contradicts his bolded and underlined (his emphasis not mine) statements earlier in the same post

Edited by Mechwarrior Buddah, 25 March 2013 - 05:20 PM.

[Lukoi Banacek]

At least none of these PoV issues further segment the player base, unlike introducing a new game mode or two

[DirePhoenix]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 25 March 2013 - 05:15 PM, said:

thirds actually cause i you look at the OP of the 3rd person thread, he specifically states 3 ques. One being 1st person playing with 3rd person (which he bolded and underlined in that very same post earlier they would never do), one 3rd person only, one 1st person only.
Proof:
http://mwomercs.com/...ost__p__2103359

and later:


Bolded option contradicts his bolded and underlined (his emphasis not mine) statements earlier in the same post

Uh, no it doesn't contradict. Through these options, no one is "forced" to play with people using a different perspective. Through the three options listed:

1: You have an option to play in third person against other people that are using third person

2: You have an option to play in first person against other people using first person

3: You have an option to play in either first or third person against other people who may or may not be using first or third person.

No one is "forcing" anyone to use the third option. If you want to use either and don't mind playing against other people that may be using either, this is the option you would choose. If you want only one of the view styles and want to make sure people are playing in the same view style as you, you choose the other options.

Note: I still think it's a bad idea to split the playerbase further than it's already being split, and this has a huge potential to make the entire game unviable for people to play this game as anything resembling an MMO depicting a persistent galaxy of stellar nations at war trying to control the planets of the Inner Sphere, but in what has been described so far no one is FORCED to play with other people using a different view style. They will just have a really small pool of people to play with/against.

The only viable solutions I can see for including a third person view in this game is to NOT split the playerbase. Yes, this means that the only way I see this working would be to mix people using both styles of views, but I've also outlined several solutions that could make this work that wouldn't give people using 3rd person a measurable advantage over those that don't.

[DirePhoenix]

Jackson Jax Teller, on 25 March 2013 - 05:44 PM, said:

Yeah its not like its possible the first person vs first person que or the third vs third might dry up if you have the option of "cheating" by playing 3rd pov vs 1st pov.

But that's not an option. It's not "cheating" by playing 3rd pov vs 1st pov; it's 1st & 3rd vs. 1st & 3rd.

[RedDragon]

DirePhoenix, on 25 March 2013 - 05:38 PM, said:

The only viable solutions I can see for including a third person view in this game is to NOT split the playerbase. Yes, this means that the only way I see this working would be to mix people using both styles of views, but I've also outlined several solutions that could make this work that wouldn't give people using 3rd person a measurable advantage over those that don't.

I think splitting the player base over something as a view mode is one of the dumbest things a developer can do. I'd really like to play only against 1st-person viewers, but if the cost for this is that I can't play against a third/the half of the community is ridiculous.
Most people who DO want 3rd only want it for purely aesthetic reasons anyway, so just include a match-recorder that let's you view a finished match in 3rd. People who actually want to play in 3rd and aren't satisfied by playing 1st only are a diminishing minority here.

[KingCobra]

Here is my opinion for all of you NON 3rd person view players (GET OVER IT) The sky is not falling down about 3rd person view. If your so against 3rd person till your alls next rage fit just save us some time and just rage quit now.

[PANZERBUNNY]

For a type of career that revolves around numbers adding up....the many polls and community poison seems to be in bizaro world for things to be continuing on with 3PV.

So if maps costs 250k and take 4 months for you.....
If mechs cost 60k...
What will 3PV be costing and what will cost you in the long run in broken words, deception and people packing it in?

I just took a giant sip of red wine thinking it was the Dr.Pepper...holy crap...0_0

[Cik]

it's an awful feature and will ruin the game if 3rd person people are in the same pool, not only that it's a totally pointless addition. instead, add new 'mechs or make new maps or balance the weapons or something. sheesh.

[Hayashi]

Why is the poll multiple choice?

[PANZERBUNNY]

They might as well remove hard points and let people put whatever they want on their mechs within weight limits...

Remember...they said that wouldn't happen...0_0..