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[Alois Hammer]

Hayashi, on 27 March 2013 - 10:43 PM, said:

Why is the poll multiple choice?

Because The Poll Police™ (aka Egomane) haven't been along to cite it for not being like all the "approved" polls?

[Fooooo]

Hitokiree, on 31 March 2013 - 02:17 AM, said:

This is the problem.

I'm saying that everything is viewable except for the mechs, so terrain and whatever else is still there, but weapons fire and mechs themselves are not visible until they are within the view from what would be your cockpit. Perfectly functional, and no advantages conveyed to the other side.

However i do have to concede, that most 3rd person players are the same as 1st person sim players. Whiney female dogs.

I'm an avid 3rd person player and would happily take those concessions, but i've only seen it implemented in that fashion on very few occasions.

The problem here, is that they would have to code in a whole new LoS system, just for this new 3rd person mode....if we were to use your idea. From what I understand, its not an easy task to setup LoS systems like that, especially if the engine wasn't built with it in mind from the start, which it wasnt. (your idea is exactly what WoT does btw, however it was built like this from the beginning.)

I'm not putting it past them doing it, but damn, I really would rather them spend the coding time on other things if they are going to try going that route.


I guess I wouldn't mind mixed queues as long as in 3rd person you had no HUD at all, so your aiming blind basically. If people really need it just for looks, or for orientation, then they wont mind losing all of the HUD.

Still that is a huge compromise, as people will still use it to see around corners , mainly with mechs spotted by others etc (just like what happens in WoT also....) .....

unless of course you meant that only you are effected, so a teammate spotting a mech is still invisible to you unless your mech can physically see it ??? Even then that would still be pretty silly imo.

Edited by Fooooo, 31 March 2013 - 07:47 AM.

[Enrage]

jakucha, on 31 March 2013 - 01:15 AM, said:

erm, might want to re-do that sentence because if you don't want an FPS then you wouldn't like the current view mode the game has.

Have you played a simulator before? Like A10 Warthog? You cant look outside and view your aircraft (3rd person), or like 688i Hunter / Killer? When playing online, again for the highest challenge no 3rd person view.

I loved a Mechwarrior game on the Xbox years ago, it was 3rd person and very arcade like, but I dont want this experience from MWO. So if anything ill change my previous comment to replace the FPS to Arcade like.

[Sifright]

only 1459 people voted no.

Evidently we are just the vocal minority and don't matter.

PUCKER UP BABY, THE TRAIN HAS NO BREAKS AND YOU AINT GETTING NO LUBE.

3pv is coming whether we want it or not

[Ignatz22]

Hitokiree, on 30 March 2013 - 11:10 PM, said:

Once again, freaking whiners.

You are the people who ruined ARMA III for the 3rd person players.

You are the people trying to take something away from others.

How about this...

3rd person like would be expected, so they can look around and do all the stuff they want to do, BUT! If the enemy mech is not within viewing distance of you're entire cockpit windows, then it does not render...sounds fine to me.

No peeking around corners, i get to see my pretty mech with the same situational awareness as you whiners.

Defeat that.

Why don't you try MechWarrior Tactics? I didn't see any advertising about MWO being a third person game, why would you want it to be? Do you demand remakes of ALL of your games? Should other facets of the BETA be deprived of resources fro folks like you who want to alter the nature of the game for YOUR satisfaction? I think you need a different game.

[Teralitha]

Why is this pathetic poll with ignorant poll choices not even resembling the truth of how 3rd person will be implemented still getting bumped?

Ergomane where are you.... talk about bumping an old useless poll, this one should be locked down like a long time ago.

If you want to revive this poll, make a new one, with proper unbiased poll choices. This poll is pointless. It doesnt even address the fact that 3rd person will not be forced on you nor will u have to play with players using 3rd person.


And I hate 3rd person view in a mechwarrior game, and Im still saying yall are ignorant. Make a new poll.

[PANZERBUNNY]

The fact that it will split an already small game population means it shouldn't be put in the game.

I think the poll is fine as is.

[Teralitha]

PANZERBUNNY, on 31 March 2013 - 07:08 PM, said:

The fact that it will split an already small game population means it shouldn't be put in the game.

I think the poll is fine as is.

Yea, and these 1400+ voters may have changed their minds in light of the revelation that 3rd is a mode they dont have to play....

Make a new poll. Find out the truth

[Alois Hammer]

Teralitha, on 31 March 2013 - 06:46 PM, said:

Why is this pathetic poll with ignorant poll choices not even resembling the truth of how 3rd person will be implemented still getting bumped?

Edited by Alois Hammer, 01 April 2013 - 08:36 AM.

[Vermaxx]

Third person is coming
Third person will be optional
Third person will be a separate queue

Deal With It.

If this is the final straw that kills the game, then it was just the LAST straw and not the ULTIMATE straw. The ONLY PEOPLE I see being really screwed are 8man teams, because they are the only ones with regular queue problems right now.

Who knows how ANYTHING is going to work in CW? Chances are there will be a lobby, and people will SEE you chilling in your 8man team, and go somewhere else. Worrying that 3rd person will fracture the player base is pointless. PGI claims the player base is sufficient, and while I love to voice conspiracy theories about the removal of the "players online" counter, I really have to admit that I see plenty of new names almost every time I play. Assume they are not screwing the game. If they screw the game, what have you lost? Most of us haven't paid in more than the average game. Those of you who have dropped HUNDREDS on this game based on faith did so willingly.

I would ABSOLUTELY SHART MYSELF for a good Warhammer 40k mmo. I won't pay hundreds to a company in the HOPES that it will materialize.

[PANZERBUNNY]

40k mmo was cancelled.

Probably for the best. It would have ended up like all the other WOW clone wannabees.

They should have set out to make 40k game like planetside...,maybe on a larger scale.

Those popular IPs are only after a quick buck in box sales and then putter out over time and end up a F2P mess with no support.

[DontpanicAU]

Vermaxx, on 31 March 2013 - 07:23 PM, said:

I would ABSOLUTELY SHART MYSELF for a good Warhammer 40k mmo. I won't pay hundreds to a company in the HOPES that it will materialize.

You and me both buddy.

Aslong as i control a single avatar and not a group, like 9/10 MMOs id be happy.

Just give me Warhammer Online, with the improvements that it has today, a better graphics engine and a true action combat system, boom, W40K done right.

[Jestun]

Teralitha, on 31 March 2013 - 07:15 PM, said:

Yea, and these 1400+ voters may have changed their minds in light of the revelation that 3rd is a mode they dont have to play....

Make a new poll. Find out the truth

Oh, yeah.

I'm sure they are all sitting there thinking "oh, now they are going to be splitting the community in 3 (as well as the regional splits), well now I love the idea! I want longer queues, more relaxed MM rules leading to less balanced matches, etc. And I'm sure they won;t just pull yet anothewr U-turn when CW comes out and will run a 1st person CW and a 3rd person CW side-by-side so that we are still not forced to play together!"

Edited by Jestun, 01 April 2013 - 06:47 AM.

[DKTuesday]

For those making the argument that 3rd person has no place in a Mech Sim, and you are using a mouse and keyboard....shuddup. Everyone else carry on.

Edited by DKTuesday, 01 April 2013 - 07:12 AM.

[Jestun]

DKTuesday, on 01 April 2013 - 07:10 AM, said:

For those making the argument that 3rd person has no place in a Mech Sim, and you are using a mouse and keyboard....****. Everyone else carry on.

What a ridiculous point...

The implication being that no simulator is perfect so we should just scrap the idea and go full on arcade?

[DKTuesday]

Jestun, on 01 April 2013 - 07:11 AM, said:

What a ridiculous point...

The implication being that no simulator is perfect so we should just scrap the idea and go full on arcade?

No it's not actually. Mouse and keyboard give an unfair advantage over the guys playing with a joystick. You know, treating it like an actually Sim. We obviously need code that detects and bans user that are using keyboards.

[Jestun]

DKTuesday, on 01 April 2013 - 07:15 AM, said:

No it's not actually. Mouse and keyboard give an unfair advantage over the guys playing with a joystick. You know, treating it like an actually Sim. We obviously need code that detects and bans user that are using keyboards.

Thanks for confirming my post, that it was a ridiculous point.

[DKTuesday]

Jestun, on 01 April 2013 - 07:16 AM, said:

Thanks for confirming my post, that it was a ridiculous point.

What's ridiculous is the incessant whining.

Also you missed the point obviously. Something is always gonna be an advantage to someone and a disadvantage to someone else. That's life. I don't care if it's in the game or not. If people get an advantage from 3rd that's fine I'm up for the challenge. Fear is for the weak.

[xxx WreckinBallRaj xxx]

Poll is lacking choices, like most polls. Should add a "Yes but only for spectating" choice. Also, there should be a "Yes, but separate queues" option. White and Black choices sucks and thus I didn't vote.

[Jestun]

DKTuesday, on 01 April 2013 - 07:25 AM, said:

What's ridiculous is the incessant whining.

Ah, so you are a "beta tester" (and I use the term loosely...) who is just in it for the game instead of providing feedback to the devs?

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Also you missed the point obviously. Something is always gonna be an advantage to someone and a disadvantage to someone else. That's life. I don't care if it's in the game or not. If people get an advantage from 3rd that's fine I'm up for the challenge. Fear is for the weak.

"mouse is better than joystick so lets abandon attempting to achieve balance" is still ridiculous, no matter how many times you repeat it.

It's like saying "The police don't stop all crime therefore we may as well not bother having any police".