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[Jyaksus]

Gremlich Johns, on 24 January 2013 - 05:01 PM, said:

Mongo think your arguments specious and that you not know anything about anything but 3PV, like mariocart or F-zero, and not like lose games.

Mongo sad you have such ego and wonder how you learn to drive

Start whining, mate, and get used to FFP and become truly competitve. Or fail - your choice.

Or we can devolve into name calling and finger pointing if that'll help you out?

My first games were all FPPoV, including the classic PC mechwarrior games that ran on DOS, but that's not really the issue here, as you may wish.

The issue is that 3rd person doesn't really affect gameplay at all... what advantage do you gain? Seeing around corners? Seeing behind you? That's EXACTLY comparable to ECM, because THAT removes the enemy's ability to detect you via one of their senses, so adding a new style of sensor, via drones, that ONLY lets you use visual contact around corners or behind you or such... is game-breaking, and will ruin your experience?

Those of you who see it in this outrageous light will learn to adapt just like you have any time a new tool comes out that you thought would ruin the game. It's a feature that has to be regulated to equipment or unlocks, no doubt, but by itself, it won't even affect gameplay as much as ECM did.

[Rejarial Galatan]

Jyaksus, on 24 January 2013 - 06:08 PM, said:

Or we can devolve into name calling and finger pointing if that'll help you out?

My first games were all FPPoV, including the classic PC mechwarrior games that ran on DOS, but that's not really the issue here, as you may wish.

The issue is that 3rd person doesn't really affect gameplay at all... what advantage do you gain? Seeing around corners? Seeing behind you? That's EXACTLY comparable to ECM, because THAT removes the enemy's ability to detect you via one of their senses, so adding a new style of sensor, via drones, that ONLY lets you use visual contact around corners or behind you or such... is game-breaking, and will ruin your experience?

Those of you who see it in this outrageous light will learn to adapt just like you have any time a new tool comes out that you thought would ruin the game. It's a feature that has to be regulated to equipment or unlocks, no doubt, but by itself, it won't even affect gameplay as much as ECM did.

ECM or Electronic Counter Measures OR that thing that makes it harder for radar or missiles to see you.

3rd person camera: See over or around obstacles, which is EXACTLY what advantage it provides, along with the capability to Pop-Tart fight. ECM does NOT give you a better picture of what is around you, it does the exact opposite, remove you from THEIR picture.

[Jyaksus]

Rejarial Galatan, on 24 January 2013 - 08:15 PM, said:

ECM or Electronic Counter Measures OR that thing that makes it harder for radar or missiles to see you.

3rd person camera: See over or around obstacles, which is EXACTLY what advantage it provides, along with the capability to Pop-Tart fight. ECM does NOT give you a better picture of what is around you, it does the exact opposite, remove you from THEIR picture.

That's exactly the point. Maybe I made a bad comparison, whereas a more accurate comparison would be the target-in-target improved zoom module. This also enables key strategies of combat that cannot be duplicated without said module, it's a distinct advantage, but it doesn't always provide you a flat numerical advantage. Based on the situations you put yourself in, IE tactics, you can utilize it highly to gain an advantage, or it can wind up being totally useless.

ECM, a 3rd person camera, PwP Zoom, BAP, Artemis... do I need to remind you how this game works? Equipment enables strategies. A more fun game to play, has lots of different strategies, otherwise it would be an epeen race for the heaviest mechs. That horrible part of EVERY OTHER Mechwarrior game in franchise history, save the tabletop, that made each and every game's multiplayer a sad mockery of the available resources.

I don't want to see nothing but PPC/Gauss snipers, I don't want to see nonstop pop-tarting, I don't want to see Assault vs Assault ***** shooting constantly, why? Because variety = fun for more people, fun for more people = more players, more players = more money going to the devs, more money going to the devs mean they give us MORE FUN STUFF, you know... like camera drones. It's all circular.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

300+ to 30+ ten to one so far keep it up lol

Uzi Foo, on 24 January 2013 - 05:10 PM, said:

I don't want 3'rd person camera in this game. Can only lead to exploiting.

and as I said in the last one; people who want this either never played MW4 in multi or were the ones pop tarting and doing all the cheaty BS things that made multiplayer crappy in that game and want to get it in here

[RawheadRex]

Once again say NO to 3RD person

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

bumpitty bump bump

[Baruti Madu]

Did we not do this vote before and it went as a big flaming no like last time?

[Levi Porphyrogenitus]

Voted No, but would prefer another option: Situational. 3rd Person should be available only for piloting training (stage 1 of 3). When PGI releases the eventual Training Grounds map, have there be three missions for it (unlocked sequentially and repeatable, but with rewards only for the first run through each stage). First, 3rd person piloting. Second, 1st person piloting. Finally, 1st person piloting with live weapons and targets (ranging from stationary to pop-up to mobile). Once you complete the first stage of training you shouldn't need 3rd person anymore, but I do agree that it might be handy for those unfamiliar with Mechwarrior-style sims.

[Velba]

I've come back to modify my answer.


HELL NO, I DON'T WANT CAMERA EXPLOITS IN THE GAME

[Rejarial Galatan]

Jyaksus, on 24 January 2013 - 09:16 PM, said:

That's exactly the point. Maybe I made a bad comparison, whereas a more accurate comparison would be the target-in-target improved zoom module. This also enables key strategies of combat that cannot be duplicated without said module, it's a distinct advantage, but it doesn't always provide you a flat numerical advantage. Based on the situations you put yourself in, IE tactics, you can utilize it highly to gain an advantage, or it can wind up being totally useless.

ECM, a 3rd person camera, PwP Zoom, BAP, Artemis... do I need to remind you how this game works? Equipment enables strategies. A more fun game to play, has lots of different strategies, otherwise it would be an epeen race for the heaviest mechs. That horrible part of EVERY OTHER Mechwarrior game in franchise history, save the tabletop, that made each and every game's multiplayer a sad mockery of the available resources.

I don't want to see nothing but PPC/Gauss snipers, I don't want to see nonstop pop-tarting, I don't want to see Assault vs Assault ***** shooting constantly, why? Because variety = fun for more people, fun for more people = more players, more players = more money going to the devs, more money going to the devs mean they give us MORE FUN STUFF, you know... like camera drones. It's all circular.

3rd person camera will lead to 1 game play style: pop tarting. see also mw4.

[Sean von Steinike]

Not that it was a surprise, but good to see moron 3rd person view still getting wiped out in the polls...again...and again...and again. And I won't spend a dime more on the game till they forever and all time remove the threat of this absurd mode of play.

[Rejarial Galatan]

Sean von Steinike, on 25 January 2013 - 01:30 AM, said:

Not that it was a surprise, but good to see moron 3rd person view still getting wiped out in the polls...again...and again...and again. And I won't spend a dime more on the game till they forever and all time remove the threat of this absurd mode of play.

here is hoping that the resurgence of this particular poll and our continued outcries mean something.

[nyknyk]

No. No..... Just..... No....

Unless...

They introduce a melee feature, then 3rd persone could be a module, with GXP of 15000 for pilot ability and is actually a small screen view inside the cockpit.

Think... camera drone.

[BerryChunks]

Stop this, already. 3rd person = bye bye mechwarrior.

[Ugrak]

Im fine with how it is now, don't really need 3'd person view.
But, it all depends on how it is implemented. if you can see it in 1'st person view, then you can see it in 3'd, if not, then not in 3'd either.
See WoT for an ok implementation.

[Sean von Steinike]

Donamir, on 24 January 2013 - 10:03 PM, said:

Did we not do this vote before and it went as a big flaming no like last time?

Several times, with NO 3rd person winning every time by a landslide. But, the Devs still have the threat of this absurdity dangling over our heads.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Donamir, on 24 January 2013 - 10:03 PM, said:

Did we not do this vote before and it went as a big flaming no like last time?

yes and then the mods merged two threads and accidentally broke the poll (like they did every time they tried doing exactly that in CB. Youd think theyd have learned you cant d that -.-) also; they locked that old thread after they did that

Rejarial Galatan, on 25 January 2013 - 01:35 AM, said:

here is hoping that the resurgence of this particular poll and our continued outcries mean something.

the resurgence was required given that they destroyed the old poll. destroyed accidentally but destroyed monetheless

[Agent of Change]

So something funny just occurred to me, and naysayers and hopefully Devs, I hope you are paying attention.

If you read this thread and look at who is posting and what they are posting you will note many of the most vocal personas of the forum. You will also see that there are a great number of people who would normally be at each others virtual throats on just about any other issue joining in unabashed, unmitigated, full-throated agreement.

As I said in a previous post the numbers in the previous thread should speak loudly but back that up with agreement amongst posters who would normally argue amongst each other on general principles should also speak volumes that this isn't 'just another forum complaint', this is a serious threat to the integrity of what MWO could be and despite our differences we are her coming together to say so.

This horse will be flogged until there is nothing left, because it is that important to us..

[Eric darkstar Marr]

NO, unless for a spectator that is not in game.

[YouMadQuiaff]

+1 for no on 3rd person

don't even know why this is still in "discussion".