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[AC]

I hate beating a near dead horse, but....

Not really an energy guy, so I figured I would try the Hunchie 3P. Left everything stock, except I swapped the SL for a ML, and grabbed 23 HS. So 9ML 23 standard HS. It runs VERY hot. So thought I would upgrade to double heat sinks. I should have plenty of space since it is standard internals and standard engine. WRONG.....

Currently, the 3P has 8 engine HS + 23 standard HS for 31 heat sinks. If I upgrade to doubles, I am unable to put any in the CT or Legs, so I can only fit 9 double heat sinks. Please someone, let me know if my math is off.

8 double engine heat sinks + 9 external HS at 1.4 = 28.6 standard heat sinks worth of cooling.


So why is double HS a 1.5 million Cbil upgrade when you actually get less cooling? I am completely confused as to how this is an upgrade on many mechs? Am I missing something about double HS?

[DoRkcHoPs]

Here is how it works.

Engine heatsinks upgrade to 2.0
single heatsinks upgrade to 1.4 as you said

So in theory if you do not equip AMS and get the 10 double heatsinks you get a total of 30 single heat sinks worth of cooling. Less than what you had before but with the upgrade you dissipate heat a bit faster. Faster heat dissipation=more shots=more damage.

Is it worth 1.5 million? In my opinion, yes

[Roland]

Upgrade your engine to a 250.

That will give you two extra internal engine slots, which will give you the ability to load up the equivalent of 32.6 heat sinks.
While the heat efficiency isn't dramatically different, you are only spending 19 tons of heat sinks, instead of 31, which is a HUGE difference.

[DoRkcHoPs]

good point i forgot about the added tonnage savings which would allow you to get a larger engine

[blinkin]

DHS is huge for mechs that use very few slots for weapon systems. mostly light mechs.

you basically trade slots in for tonnage much like endosteel or ferro fibrous. also like they mentioned before it makes engine heat sinks far more valuable. although last i heard the engine heatsinks were at 1.4 as well, and that seems to fit with what i have experienced gameplay wise.

[Garth Erlam]

The 'come with the engine' DHS are 2.0. Any DHS you add are 1.4.

[Volthorne]

With DHS you should be saving enough weight to put in almost (if not) the biggest possible engine for a Hunchie, which would then allow you to slot in even MORE DHS for essentially zero space.... See how this goes?

Edited by Volthorne, 24 January 2013 - 01:10 PM.

[Pachar]

I'd suggest before doing anything in the mechlab head here
http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab
you will be able to modify to your hearts content to find the optimal loadout for you. as for the heatsinking, keep an eye on the cooling efficiency on the left to give you a rough idea on how you will do. If you make note of the where you start with the base loadout you can easily tell how much better or worse you'll do.

[MWHawke]

Seriously, Double Heat Sinks should be.. DOUBLE..

[Theobald Hauser]

If you make builds that need less than 30 (!!!!) heatsinks to do anything good, the cost is REALLY worth the price. Doubling the 10 engine-incorporated ones is simply huge.
Any build that can go with more tonage can also consider the upgrade as worth the cost. For example, by going pulse lasers. So more dps.
Lights and mediums love DHs in nearly anything. Anything with a big engine love DHs because they can put more in the engine slots.

A little engine with a lot of normal heatsinks is basically the only configuration where they aren't good, but it's more the build having a problem than the heatsinks having one.

[Garth Erlam]

I'm going to quote the greatest movie of all time (directors cut!) to help with 'DHS should be 2.0!' threads.

"I don't ask because it takes two weeks to get an answer out here and the answer's always 'don't ask."

Garth, Cicada Message Delivery Service
When 35 Tons Just Isn't Enough

[Theobald Hauser]

This movie has only a poor 5 tons Industrial 'Mech in it... :'(
The paintjob is great though. Hey ! CAMO SPEC IDEA !

[Yiazmat]

MWHawke, on 24 January 2013 - 03:03 PM, said:

Seriously, Double Heat Sinks should be.. DOUBLE..

They are. For your Engine. Which should ammount to at least another 10 of your 'sinks if you have a big enough engine ( if you don't, get one our get out ) So if you have a 250 std you get 10.0 cooling up front. If you have a 250 std with DHS, those 10.0 become 20.0 for no weight at all. GG. Doesn't even include the 9 other doubles you can cram in that give you another 1.4 each. My 4P runs 7 SL and 2 ML with a heat eff. of 1.36. Get the ****ing upgrade and run with it. There's absolutly no reasion a HBK-4P should run without DHS. Ever. End of story.

Edited by Yiazmat, 24 January 2013 - 06:37 PM.

[AC]

Thontor, on 24 January 2013 - 01:35 PM, said:

If it says your mech has 23 heat sinks on the summary screen, that includes the engine heat sinks...

If you can fit 9 double heat sinks, that's (1.4x9)+(2x8) = 28.6

That's 28.6 cooling for only 9 tons compared to 23 for 15 tons

That's 6 tons you could use for anything... for example a bigger engine, like a 225, that can fit even more heat sinks.

It seems like there is a lot of misunderstanding about engines, heat sinks, and how this all works. Let me post what I know, and then you can see if my logic is flawed.


My hunchie has a 210 engine. That engine only had 8 heat sinks in it and requires 2 heat sinks external to run. (every mech MUST have 10 heat sinks on it. Either in the engine, or external to be able to run.) I have 8 internal engine heat sinks and 23 external standard heat sinks. 8+23 = 31 simple.....


Now... if I change to double those 8 engine heat sinks are 2.0 so count as 16 heat sinks. Due to critical space, I can only fit 9 external double heat sinks, which count as 1.4 each for 12.6 heat sinks (equivalent) 16+12.6 is 28.6

So I LOSE cooling ability by 'upgrading' to double heat sinks. I also lose 1.5 million Cbills. I understand that I save a bunch of weight, but I am out of critical space in the mech already, and I am out of weapons slots. This is why I asked what I was missing....because an upgrade should be just that. An UPGRADE!

[Theobald Hauser]

And you just got a lot of tons back so you can put a bigger engine in, giving you 2 more 2* heat sinks, and even additionnal *1.4 heatsinks you can put in and that don't take any space.

[blinkin]

MWHawke, on 24 January 2013 - 03:03 PM, said:

Seriously, Double Heat Sinks should be.. DOUBLE..

they tried that for a while. large lasers and PPC ruled the field. those were not happy days.
anything that used ammo was outclassed horribly.

[Theobald Hauser]

And still is in long battles, if you're cursed to survive. ^^
Ultra Weng's and Ultra Muromets have to be careful on ammos. Even Ballistics+SRM6s Atlai have.