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[Dayuhan]

JuiceCaboose, on 24 January 2013 - 12:29 PM, said:

My bandwidth won't support VOIP and gaming at the same time. When I use C3 for more than just three or four words, my ping jumps up to 400ms, and there doesn't appear to be a way to adjust the quality level for lower bandwidth usage.

This may not be a bandwidth issue. If you are using Windows Vista, Windows 7, or Windows 8 set the C3 application to run as an Administrator. C3 and TeamSpeak both have an issue where they make system calls that require elevated privileges - when they are not run as Administrator the system has to devote resources to grant the application the right to run the process which impacts all running processes.

If you go in to the Properties for the icon and check the Run as Administrator checkbox then the application will check for permissions once at startup but thereafter will have those permissions.

Unfortunately no one use C3 right now because there are much better VOIP applications available. Perhaps when C3 integration with MWO is more complete some will switch over to it but right now TeamSpeak, Ventrillo, and Mumble are more efficient.

Edited by Dayuhan, 24 January 2013 - 02:31 PM.

[One Medic Army]

Iron Harlequin, on 24 January 2013 - 01:50 PM, said:

The Finnish have insane internet speeds.... I used to know a guy back when I played America's Army (like Arma for poor people lol) he had some insane speed. I swear it must have been like 1 Terrabyte download and 500 Gigabyte upload (hyperbole), but I only imagine the cost of that type of connection here lol.

I went to college for a year in Delft, Netherlands.
My upload speed was 900kb/s+

Tex1013, on 24 January 2013 - 02:01 PM, said:

honestly, c3 should do a LOT more than just add voip into the game. I think that's a sad, sad underappreciation for the scope to which c3 changed Battletech - or at least, my gameplay experience. I built entire lance sets and company's using IS tech and mechs around c3 to battle my clan-o-phile friend and roommate - I hated clans, he loved them, and one of the only techs that the IS had that Clans didn't (or at least, didn't use) was the c3

and make no mistake, a very carefully designed lance designed to take advantage of c3 was DEVASTATING!!

sadly, I've been playing for about 8, maybe 10 days so far (the days go by so fast), and I can't imagine what exactly you could make c3 do that doesn't already exist in the game that would justify the awesome that c3 is...I'm still...thinking about it

but I really do think that c3 should be a TREMENDOUS tool for a team willing to use it, and I also think that whatever c3 ends up being, it should DEFINITELY NOT be available to whatever the clans end up as...thats OUR unique piece of technology and our one and only real technological ace-in-the-hole we can hold over the clans - don't take that away from us!

C3 in this case refers to a VOIP client, not a piece of mech equipment.

Edited by One Medic Army, 24 January 2013 - 02:36 PM.

[EnyaMouth]

my friends and i use C3 and do not have a problem with it.

[Tex1013]

One Medic Army, on 24 January 2013 - 02:35 PM, said:

C3 in this case refers to a VOIP client, not a piece of mech equipment.

really? so c3 isn't "The" c3? it's just their in-game name for voip?...that's sad

there's an atlas with the 5 ton command console - which is the normal piece of equipment for the c3 network - I assumed it *was* a piece of equipment...now, I'll admit, I'm a bit confused

but I stand by my previous statements - that when C3 the battletech piece of equipment is added to MWO, it should be *awesome*.

[Suko]

FlourBoy, on 24 January 2013 - 12:25 PM, said:

Supposingly C3 integration in MWO will auto group you with other people in your team when you drop. This would be great as I can communicate with the random pug group I'm in. But so far I have yet to see another soul in C3.

I don't think this is how it works. I think it'll auto group you with other people in your friends list that you drop with.

[Norris J Packard]

Because it's crap, and it isn't integrated.

If it was crap, but it was integrated, it'd be better.

[warner2]

Tex1013, on 24 January 2013 - 02:47 PM, said:

really? so c3 isn't "The" c3? it's just their in-game name for voip?...that's sad

there's an atlas with the 5 ton command console - which is the normal piece of equipment for the c3 network - I assumed it *was* a piece of equipment...now, I'll admit, I'm a bit confused

but I stand by my previous statements - that when C3 the battletech piece of equipment is added to MWO, it should be *awesome*.

No, it's not sad. It's not "their name" for in-game chat. It's just a particular client. Like team speak is a particular client.

http://www.downloadc3.com/

[Stoicblitzer]

I have no idea what C3 is. I have TS, Vent, Mumble. Why do they use some crap that nobody has ever heard of? It needs built-in VOIP like CS:S.

[warner2]

If it worked for pugs I'd use it all the time. It's a shame it isn't, that would be a good feature to get in.

[CheebaMech]

Tex, to clear this up:
http://www.sarna.net...C3_Command_Unit
^This is integrated into all 'mechs currently, it's how you know your teams location on the battlemap without being in LOS.

http://www.downloadc3.com/
^This is a comms program that is supposedly going to be integrated to the game.

[QuantumButler]

because it's way worse than Vent, mumble, or TS3 and it's not integrated into the game.

[DirePhoenix]

FlourBoy, on 24 January 2013 - 12:25 PM, said:

I'm curious, I log in C3 when I play, but I never ever see anyone else besides me in there. Yes, I do use TS, but you have to team up with others and sync drop. A lot of the time I prefer to PUG more. Supposingly C3 integration in MWO will auto group you with other people in your team when you drop. This would be great as I can communicate with the random pug group I'm in. But so far I have yet to see another soul in C3.

One of the things with C3 is that ANYONE can make their own channels for free. This is both a plus and a minus. It's an obvious plus because everyone is able to make their own channels as they want at no cost or hassle of having to purchase a TS3 server and setting it up. However, since EVERYONE is capable of making their own channels, everyone may be in their own channels instead of grouping up on a central channel.

(Also, it doesn't help that the "Official" MWO channel wasn't built with sub-channels like the old "official" TS3 server was. You can easily do so in C3, and even set up sub-channels where users can make their own sub-sub channels, but for some reason they only made one open lobby with no attached subchannels)

If/When Vivox steps up their MWO integration, it needs to have a default textchat/voicechat "overchannel" for the game (that is also built-in to the game) where it splits people who group up into their own channels. I feel like the current integration is probably 1/8th of where it needs to be, but it definitely has a great amount of potential.

[Taizan]

Pilots, please keep the chatter on topic. Switch to comm channel 19 for personal discussions and banter. Thank you.

[WarGruf]

C3 hasn't been incorporated into the game as yet so after you've downloaded the C3 client you'll still have to search for the MWO channel which gets busier late uk time 10-11pm (4-5 US).

There are people out there that use C3, Search (Dropship) and you'll find guys that play early hours 9am-5pm uk. I my self have set up (MWO UK Public) through C3 but hardly see anyone using it but thats because I play mainly in the evenings on (MWO) channel with a few good friends.

I think a lot of people think, that when they install C3 and enable it in the game menu, it is supposed to just work when you connect. But it doesn't.

When It finaly gets hardwired into the game it'll change the entire aspect from Pugging alone getting trashed, to actual Teams being able to pull of manouvers and real team work...

Overall I think C3 is a good program and is easier to use than TS3 IMHO, Im not a whizz on the PC but I can use it fine. 30ish friends and growing plus easy to send messages and setup your own channel if you like. Whats not to like...

[Lucas the Bounty Hunter]

Jason Parker, on 24 January 2013 - 01:41 PM, said:

Simple reason: It isn't supporting pugs yet. It will do so when finished and then I will also use it.

With ventrilo Teampspeak and skype in place voice systems integrated into games allways were and allways will be meant for use mainly by random groups. Any developer believing that serious clans would ever use an ingame voice system are simply neglecting or unaware of common practice in multiplayer gaming.

This may be true, but when I drop in a 4-man with TS3, I still don't have the ability to coordinate with the other 4 guys on my team. Integrated VOIP wouldn't replace TS3 or other VOIP servers for clans and merc groups, but it would make 4-man drops a lot better if we could strategize with the PUGs we drop with, resulting in a better experience all around.

[xxx WreckinBallRaj xxx]

No one uses it because no one is on there. Being in a channel by myself doesn't serve much of a purpose. I have C3 but I only ever use it to talk to 1 guy that plays games with me. Anytime I mention it to anyone else, they either never heard of it, or don't want to bother with it. My GW2 guild for example uses Mumble. They aren't going to bother to C3. Everyone uses TS, Vent, or Mumble. They don't care about C3.

[TOGSolid]

Sayyid, on 24 January 2013 - 12:27 PM, said:

C3 is pretty bad right now. No one uses it, and it doesnt autogroup you as it was supposed to do on drop. This is why more people use TS3, or Vent.

Pretty much this. If it autogrouped I'd use it all the time (and PUG a whole hell of a lot more) but it doesn't so I don't.

[Roadbeer]

This is still a thing?

I remember a patch where it would constantly launch in your browser, lasted about a week, and I remember a check box in options to disable it.

It's kind of a Catch 22, C3 was so bad that those who weren't already using TS3 or Vent, moved to TS3/Vent. Now that the shoes are all comfy and broken in, why wear those uncomfortable dress shoes that look horrible on you?

They REALLY need to fix and integrate C3 to make it attractive.

[buttmonkey]

simplybecause it isnt integrated into the game. if it were i would use it when pugging. perhaps even my clan would swap to voip if it were there when you installed the game

[Scott Decoy Stone]

ya know it's funny... c3 does auto group! or at least it did for the first week that it was in closed beta during that time period where anytime you started a match without it you'd get that pop up asking you to download it or turn it on. i used to get autoconnected to my pugs. well, at least one in 15-20 matches i'd connect to someone. the thing is pgi/igp never explained there was more to it than just downloading it and having it running. there were settings that needed to be adjusted first on the c3 side. once you had it properly set up any time you launched into a match you'd connect in a specially created room with anyone else on your team who also had it set up. it really is a beautiful system for puggies that just needed a better explanation. it worked fine and i have no idea why they just didn't let you download it with the proper settings already in place. but whatever. maybe someday they'll come up with a simple integrated solution. in the meantime my friends and i still do use c3 and we do have it set up to auto group with anyone else that has it set up.