167 replies to this topic

[Kahoumono]

pugs will be pugs...I pug exclusively but I do play for the team. I think they could tier the player base so you can choose the casual experience or the CW experience. The casual experience is the game as we know it now, nothing at stake except for your cash and XP. After a threshold of matches or kills the game could send the player an email where they are sent an info package (history, factions, etc.) and asked to join a faction and actively participate in CW. Players don't have to commit to CW and can activate casual or CW mode as they please. If they want to test builds or just pew pew they can play casual mode or play CW where it may be more challenging and more team oriented.

[Merky Merc]

DCLXVI, on 27 January 2013 - 10:06 PM, said:

I must be too high or something, how else would they do it? what Is this argument about? there will never be a "house lonewolf", it does not exist.

You must mean the House of Merc, and yes my child it does exist.

[CheebaMech]

DCLXVI, on 27 January 2013 - 10:06 PM, said:

I must be too high or something, how else would they do it? what Is this argument about? there will never be a "house lonewolf", it does not exist.

Merky Merc, on 28 January 2013 - 12:59 AM, said:

You must mean the House of Merc, and yes my child it does exist.

Oh, you mean these guys?
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Lone_Wolves

[Kylere]

My function is to kill people who self-identify as "top tier" or "elite". My function is to rain on the parade of skillless premade pugstompers by playing my mech to it's fullest.

Anything else you infer about my function is...

[bug3at3r]

I can't believe I just read that.

Who the hell are you to tell people how to play?

[SpiralRazor]

"PUG'S you guys need to understand your role here, your entire purpose in this game, is to pad out existing units, THAT IS YOUR ROLE. So you have a choice, continue to pug, and be a "lone gun" for hire that get's attatched to any unit anywhere at any time you decide to drop. Or you join a group."



Quoted for correctness.

If youre a pug, and you drop into our group, you are most definitely a filler being basically a Houseless mercenary. Dont expect us to work with you, instead you should be thinking of how to work with us.....use the chat.

I start every game by asking, "Premade?"....and then go from there.

SlXSlXSlX, on 25 January 2013 - 06:42 PM, said:

I will not be a filler, no sirry bob. THIS is not my idea of playing MWO.



Cant wait till they add colors to premade units, that way I can easily see what mm tried to give me. Leaving my filler "role", will be as easy as exiting game and finding another match.

Thanks for the suggestion though.

Sexy unconscious...mmm...Although I have to say I prefer Ms. Marvel.

Edited by SpiralRazor, 28 January 2013 - 11:50 AM.

[Faldrin]

Die hard fans that refuse to see problems with games kill games and that is a proving fact!
Where as any game that has at least made a nice place of pug/casual gamers have done well. So guys you really need to understand if you keep pushing pug/new players away this game WILL die just look at the countless games that have punished a majority player base. This is not a doom and gloom post but you hard core pre-made is fine side need to open your eyes.

[Joseph Mallan]

PythonCPT, on 27 January 2013 - 10:31 PM, said:

Isn't this topic solely based on the assumption that pug players as a whole actually give two craps about working with others?

Actually this whole discussion is a confusion of PUG and Lone Wolf.

I'm a Lyran. I will drop with other Lyrans as a PUG in drops for House Steiner or a premade Merc with Murphy's Law. A Lone Wolf will PUG drop with any house. Does that clarify the difference between a PUG and a Lone Wolf? As a Lyran I can earn point towards joining a House unit, or other Perks as they are released.

[ranger233]

SpiralRazor, on 28 January 2013 - 11:50 AM, said:

"PUG'S you guys need to understand your role here, your entire purpose in this game, is to pad out existing units, THAT IS YOUR ROLE. So you have a choice, continue to pug, and be a "lone gun" for hire that get's attatched to any unit anywhere at any time you decide to drop. Or you join a group."



Quoted for correctness.

If youre a pug, and you drop into our group, you are most definitely a filler being basically a Houseless mercenary. Dont expect us to work with you, instead you should be thinking of how to work with us.....use the chat.

I start every game by asking, "Premade?"....and then go from there.




Sexy unconscious...mmm...Although I have to say I prefer Ms. Marvel.

Spiralrazor, If I drop into your group I will most likely drop out of the game and find some other lowly PUGS to play a game with.I don't care for your thoughts and I am not your cannon fodder. This is not a flame , just a statement of fact. I am here to have some fun , not to stomp on anyone or put down anyone for the way they CHOSE to play. I use chat in game all the time and I work for the team. Yea, I get killed more than most , but I bet you would not draw fire to keep your team alive if you had pugs to throw in the way.

[HiplyRustic]

It is likely that the number of premades actually looking for a tough fight and having to settle for stomping pugs is far smaller than the number of premades claiming they are looking for a tough fight and having to settle for stomping pugs.

[Joseph Mallan]

HiplyRustic, on 28 January 2013 - 07:03 PM, said:

It is likely that the number of premades actually looking for a tough fight and having to settle for stomping pugs is far smaller than the number of premades claiming they are looking for a tough fight and having to settle for stomping pugs.

Which has what to do with the difference between a PUG and a Lone Wolf Hip?

[HiplyRustic]

Joseph Mallan, on 28 January 2013 - 07:04 PM, said:

Which has what to do with the difference between a PUG and a Lone Wolf Hip?

It has to do with some people's insistence on denigrating those of either stripe who do not drop in groups...and the ludicrous, sanctimonious tone with which the OP decided to tell me my role. Which bent my wookiee. Which caused to me to lash out at the same disingenuous premaders who spout holier than thou nonsense about the roles of Lone Wolves while planning their next pugstomp.

It is not a slap at every premade in the game, not at all. The premades it is a slap at know who they are, and I suspect the other premades don't object to the commentary.

Edited by HiplyRustic, 28 January 2013 - 07:12 PM.

[Joseph Mallan]

There are plenty of people on both sides that are getting into a twist over this. When the CW is in full swing I will PUG for House Steiner. I will Group with Murphy's if we have a contract with a different House. I will not drop Lone Wolf. Also If I earn a place in the 10th Lyran I will Group with them and Murphy's (as long as both are cool with it).

See a Lone Wolf won't care what faction he fights for, and that is why they will be fillers for factioned battles. Though the OP was being a Troll with his wording, His premise is not. There will be drops that will be filled by House Units(be they Premade or affiliated PUGs)>Mercs>Lone Wolves.

[HiplyRustic]

Joseph Mallan, on 28 January 2013 - 07:21 PM, said:

There are plenty of people on both sides that are getting into a twist over this. When the CW is in full swing I will PUG for House Steiner. I will Group with Murphy's if we have a contract with a different House. I will not drop Lone Wolf. Also If I earn a place in the 10th Lyran I will Group with them and Murphy's (as long as both are cool with it).

See a Lone Wolf won't care what faction he fights for, and that is why they will be fillers for factioned battles. Though the OP was being a Troll with his wording, His premise is not. There will be drops that will be filled by House Units(be they Premade or affiliated PUGs)>Mercs>Lone Wolves.

Makes perfect sense, and there's room for both philosophies. Right up to the part where you say Lone Wolves won't care which faction they fight for. As far as I'm concerned (from a meta perspective) I want no House affiliation, I'm a sellsword...a Ronin of the mech age...that's what I do. I'll decide what house or Corp gets my services in the factional warfare part of the meta game, and that's my take on the the Lone Wolf game.

At their best, Lone Wolves aren't filler. At their best Lone Wolves are force multipliers.

[SolCrusher]

When the House's are filling their ranks with Wolfs, hopefully PGI leaves room for those Wolfs who will out number their "Hiring House" at the end of the battle and let us Wolfs destroy both sides!

[Viper69]

So what, im sure both groups pugs and premades will still act like pretentious buttheads and tell each other how to play.

Edited by Viper69, 28 January 2013 - 08:52 PM.

[whiskey tango foxtrot]

Lone Wolfs are a force unto themselves.

Sometimes they all come together and "focus fire" on something.

just FYI...

[Opus]

Fellow PuGs, Lone Wolfs, Premades - PIlots

What this thread is about despite its content is - Roles of Individual Pilots: What Icon they have is pointless to discuss. You can pick any of them and still be a Pick Up Pilot - Pup

However; By defining "Roles" of Individual Pilots you first must consider the Mech they chose to enter a match in, and what he outfitted it with....

Again Millions of variables there - so Skill and a horrible mech negate each other to a point. There is the Humor factor that makes such moments priceless....

By the openly biased content here and other threads - you can see the loathing of some pilots to.... well what exactly: Hmmmm?

Losing

But blaming one group or another isn't what the Pug or Premade debate is about; Its fairness

Hopefully with a ELO system in place in the future, this debate can be resolved until then you have to be tolerant of others, and respect each pilots skill level;

Lone Wolfs as we have envisioned our Role is: Random Combat with anybody with no Faction ties. as described in the Faction Selections. It has great points, and it has some negatives - But we turn away nobody and judge no one. We are trying to help those pilots who want to learn the game without such prejudicial comments that some threads bestow upon them for being Pick Up Players.

[Adrienne Vorton]

Joseph Mallan, on 28 January 2013 - 12:09 PM, said:

Actually this whole discussion is a confusion of PUG and Lone Wolf.

I'm a Lyran. I will drop with other Lyrans as a PUG in drops for House Steiner or a premade Merc with Murphy's Law. A Lone Wolf will PUG drop with any house. Does that clarify the difference between a PUG and a Lone Wolf? As a Lyran I can earn point towards joining a House unit, or other Perks as they are released.

at least YOU got it joseph

Edited by Adrienne Vorton, 29 January 2013 - 10:46 AM.

[Mystere]

Excuse me, but I am no filler. Your commander paid me big c-bills to turn you whiners into Mechwarriors! Now get into formation!

Edited by Mystere, 29 January 2013 - 10:57 AM.