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[Taizan]

Quality but in the sense of level flow, collisions, correct meshes and performance.

[Gammanoob]

Where is the option for both?

Why do I have to choose one or the other?

Logically unless there are both a good quantity and quality of maps the game will become boring rather quickly.

Edited by Gammanoob, 26 January 2013 - 06:35 AM.

[l33tworks]

Gammanoob, on 26 January 2013 - 06:35 AM, said:

Where is the option for both?

Why do I have to choose one or the other?

Logically unless there are both a good quantity and quality of maps the game will become boring rather quickly.

If you could chose both, it would nullify any meaning it has because they cancel each other out. You dont see this? Your just asking for more maps which is an entirely different thing. The only variably if you could decide is would you want more maps at the expense of quality or less maps at the expense of quantity. Both of these options mean more maps.



You have to choose between

Edited by l33tworks, 26 January 2013 - 06:42 AM.

[Jetfire]

mwhighlander, on 25 January 2013 - 08:25 PM, said:

The problem is, right now we really don't have much of quality or quantity.

Sure the map details are nice, but lets take Frozen City for instance. That map layout itself is utter frigging garbage!

I like Frozen city and it's night varient. There are a variety of paths to attack that necessitate scouting. Lots of buildings for cover. I cannot think of any aggregious problems with any of the maps at present.

I would like to see a moon mission, no atmosphere, low gravity, poor heat dissipation. Easy to make night and day varients.

Also hopefully also a pastural countryside with cows and futuristic hydroponics towers.

Edited by Jetfire, 26 January 2013 - 06:50 AM.

[meteorol]

Just push out those damn maps. I don't care if they are bugged.

So many guys don't get tired of screaming "this is still a beta" whenever something broken is released.
Why not just release 1 broken map a month? Well, maybe we will have some graphic glitches, maybe i will get stuck in some objects. So what?

Totally messed up matchmaker for 5 months is fine, because it is still a beta. Why can't we play on unpolished maps?

I'm playing TDM on FOUR maps since 5 ******* months.
1 Gamemode(Well, if you say an alternativ win condition for TDM is a new gamemode, then you will say 2), 4 maps.
I don't think i will be able to play this game 5 more months if they don't speed up the maprelease.

[PoLaR]

I would normally choose quality, but In MWO's case, I'll take quantity.

Very, very, very, very bored of the current maps. I feel like I'm damned to listen to the same 4 records play over and over, while they continuously skip.

Quantity.

[Stoicblitzer]

Jetfire, on 25 January 2013 - 08:22 PM, said:

Umm, Quality. Release maps as they are ready, they are coming next month.

Remember these maps will be used for things like CW, they needs to have more things considered than just "make a map". The maps so far strike me as very well designed and I would like to see the trend continue.

lol. If we want CW released 10 years from now then ya quality.

[Drach]

How about this? Take a room ful of programers with some art skills and lock them in a room with every TT map battletech ever had and tell them they can not come out until they have designed a total of 8sq Km for use in MWO.

JK but some new maps would be nice and not breaking things that worked pre patch would be cool.
ie After patch on 1/23/2013 textures on buildings and other vertical terain features in frozen city and frozen city night render flat grey in normal vision and solid black in night and thermal modes.

[Justa Dogtrooper]

I would get a map sized cookie cutter an some maps.....
Earth, mars, various moons.
Then bang bang bang x100
Load them into a Gauss and fire them at the map team...while shouting "make that lot, in no particular order "


As for symetry "no need" 40-60% you play one way..then the other.....

Edited by Justa Dogtrooper, 26 January 2013 - 07:43 AM.

[Monsoon]

I'd rather have a few quality maps over a dozen garbage maps.

I want a quality game, not one the looks like it was put together by grade schoolers.

[Savinwraith]

Ah. another map thread...
I wrote a letter to PGI, but they took me up on the right not to reply part I added.
The letter can be seen in the thread listed below:
http://mwomercs.com/...54#entry1734154

Spoiler

I sent the following letter to PGI in hopes that it may provide inspiration as to a resolution for this issue.
To whom it may concern,
I have noticed an increase in the attrition rate due to burnout that seems to be in no small part due to the number of available maps and content. I understand that for the size of your team and the workload they are under, that new map content would be difficult to create in a short time period. Thus I wanted to offer forth a couple suggestions as possible solutions.
1. There are a large number of members in the community with map making experience and the tools to create maps. You could put forth a call for player designed maps that would become property of PGI upon submittal, the return being recognition and perhaps a small incentive like 12,000 mc, a free hero mech, or whatever was convenient to your business model.
There is precedence (See referenced articles below) for such action that allows for user submitted content with the organization receiving the submittal retaining the rights to the submitted work. You could then post the requirements the maps would need to meet to be considered (I.E. any format, size, scale, coding, Ect..) and generate content and the cost would only consist of the man hours to review the maps.
This may be a way in which the team developing maps could lessen their work load as reviewing and adjusting a final product takes less time than overall creation.
2. The next suggestion is intern positions. There are a large number of students out of college that are looking to establish their work history in their chosen field. Many of whom would be grateful for a basic wage and the opportunity to add an established company to their resume, others would be and have been happy to work on a project in return for a letter of recommendation.
This practice is regularly used by many companies and has been found to be a viable option in the computer field as well. Most college campuses are open to assisting companies in locating candidates to fill these roles and many students are eager to establish a job history in their chosen field before formally entering the market.
Further an intern could be used for tasks such as reviewing player submitted maps or other tasks that would reduce the burden on the team.
These are just a few thoughts and methods that I have seen and used in my career. Feel free to disregard or not as you see fit.
Further I do herby authorize Infinite Game Publishing Inc. / Édition Jeux Infinis Inc., Piranha Games Inc. to use the above idea as they see fit with all content in this letter becoming the property of Infinite Game Publishing Inc. / Édition Jeux Infinis Inc., Piranha Games Inc. except for the items in the reference section that are already the property of named owners below and appearing only for the purpose of academic reference. Also exempt would be my personal name and email address as provided under U.S. law.
Infinite Game Publishing Inc. / Édition Jeux Infinis Inc., Piranha Games Inc. may use redistribute or alter any information that I have provided as they see fit. I further recognize and accept that Infinite Game Publishing Inc. / Édition Jeux Infinis Inc., Piranha Games Inc. is under no obligation to review or reply to this idea submittal or keep this submittal confidential.
Thank you for your time.
“Savinwraith” (Real Name used in letter)
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Edited by Savinwraith, 26 January 2013 - 08:10 AM.

[Scraper]

Not sure if it's been mentioned, or what they have planned for the community warfare stuff... but I think about 20 maps of high quality representing major home worlds coupled with a random map generator for the lesser know worlds would be best. Strategies would be like they are now for the the 20ish maps, and then the random maps would hopefully force a bit more tactical gameplay since both sides would be fighting on the unknown.

[Fooooo]

Quality over quantity....most times....

As long as they get larger that is.......


Generally in most RTS's i have played, there is around 2 or 3 maps that get played. Out of sometimes 100's............

These become the defacto comp maps basically. Or at least, maps for that "style" of play. (turtle or rusher)

Now, are these maps quality ? Sometimes they end up being some of the most simple maps in the game, but they just play out so well that they basicaly ARE quality maps........

If anyone played Dark Reign (an RTS that came out when Starcraft did) back in the day they would know what a "thing" the map 6sixway was......it was the map the pros played, and almost the ONLY map they played. (that and the 1v1 version called 3way......)

It seems to play out the same for most DM games.

Games with Objectives to complete work different in regards to maps. IE, you must build this bridge before you can go here etc etc........ So, in a sense the Conquest maps of MwO could use a lot more work imo.......

Edited by Fooooo, 26 January 2013 - 08:07 AM.

[HiplyRustic]

I believe the whole map thing could be handled this way:

Crowdsource it. Yes, let people create maps.

http://www.crydev.ne...detail.php?id=4

http://lmgtfy.com/?q...gine+3+tutorial

The cryengine 3 SDK is freeware for non-commercial use. Build maps, judge maps, winning maps get included and PGI pays appropriate license fee to Crytek.

Get busy you talented folks, roll your own maps, screenshot 'em, post the screenies here, show off, intrigue PGI, profit. (Let's get past seeing whether or not they are interested in the concept of player-made maps...make the maps, interest them in that.)

Edited by HiplyRustic, 26 January 2013 - 08:15 AM.

[l33tworks]

HiplyRustic, on 26 January 2013 - 08:00 AM, said:

I believe the whole map thing could be handled this way:

Crowdsource it. Yes, let people create maps.

http://www.crydev.ne...detail.php?id=4

The cryengine 3 SDK is freeware for non-commercial use. Build maps, judge maps, winning maps get included and PGI pays appropriate license fee to Crytek.

Quit complaining, roll your own maps, screenshot 'em, post the screenies here, show off, intrigue PGI, profit.

Yea cept I remember PGI saying somewhere they would not accept it. So even if someone made 10 awesome maps now and gave it to them they wont use em.

[HiplyRustic]

l33tworks, on 26 January 2013 - 08:04 AM, said:

Yea cept I remember PGI saying somewhere they would not accept it. So even if someone made 10 awesome maps now and gave it to them they wont use em.

Well, saying they are not interested and walking away from genuinely excellent maps may well be two different things.

[Fooooo]

l33tworks, on 26 January 2013 - 08:04 AM, said:

Yea cept I remember PGI saying somewhere they would not accept it. So even if someone made 10 awesome maps now and gave it to them they wont use em.

Yeah, the work needed on their end atm would be too much really. It would be much easier for them to just keep making them in-house as they have full control from start to finish, no need to go back and forth etc.

In the future however this may end up changing. Once we hit full release and everything relaxes a bit......if you can call it relaxing that is....

So any potential map makers......don't be completely put off....especially if you are good.

Edited by Fooooo, 26 January 2013 - 08:15 AM.

[Beo Vulf]

jay35, on 25 January 2013 - 07:41 PM, said:

Both could use an improvement, imho. Really, if they would start by simply recreating the maps from MW4 Mercs, that would be a great start.

/agree

[Ice Storm]

Another thing to take into consideration is new game modes. I'm sure there is a whole bunch of playere who would really LOVE a set of Solaris maps with arena game mode. I really hope the devbs are at least looking into that for the near future.

[Monky]

'Both'