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[PANZERBUNNY]

Thirdstar, on 26 January 2013 - 08:43 AM, said:

They could have a baby in the house.
A spouse who dislike it when you yell over a mic.
Their playtime could be fragmented.
They might not speak English fluently.
And finally, they may not take this game about stompy, shooty, robots as seriously as you do.

Headphones and simply listen if noise isn't permitted. But all the time?

Also, if they don't take it seriously, than who cares if others are using comms? Also, if you aren't taking it seriously, no need to complain about it at all.

Sorry, but it's more selfish to restrict the rest of the gamers playing because you may have a baby/angry wife/whatever reason.

Adapt. Overcome.

Edited by PANZERBUNNY, 26 January 2013 - 08:55 AM.

[Thirdstar]

PANZERBUNNY, on 26 January 2013 - 08:54 AM, said:

Sorry, but it's more selfish to restrict the rest of the gamers playing because you may have a baby/angry wife/whatever reason.

Never asked for any kind of restriction on anything. Was merely commenting on your character assassination of people who don't want to be on TS.

No more, no less. Narrow points of view annoy the hell out of me.

[Thirdstar]

Dmitri Valenov, on 26 January 2013 - 08:49 AM, said:

snip..............

I see your OP as a troll because I think running to the forums every time someone is being a dumbass on the internet is a Sisyphean task.

If I had a buck for every time someone was being moronic on the interwebz I'd be a bloody millionaire by now.

You're also reigniting the damn PUG vs Premade war that is ever present here. For what? because moron #2345 said TS was an exploit in-game?

Edited by Thirdstar, 26 January 2013 - 09:04 AM.

[PANZERBUNNY]

I mean, there are even channels on Comstar TS Server dedicated to people from various countries.

They do get populated.

Apart from being mute or deaf you have no excuse and really, if you are, you are probably used to using chat or just listening.

Everyone can fit in, you have to want to though.

[Taizan]

The random PUG groups are imo suffering under the same symptoms as WoW's LFG / LFR groups. Setting up random players into one group for a team based game is dysfunctional in the long run.

For anyone who does not know how it works in World of Warcraft (or most other modern MMOGs):

You flag yourself as looking for a group.
Based on your equipment level you are put into a group or raid with random players from different servers of your realmpool (several "similar servers")
The dungeon / instance run starts when all roles are filled up

In the very beginning these were actually great fun and and it was finally a way for "solo" players to actually see some content. Unfortunately the more often you do this, the more often you may have a bad experience, because the match maker can't check for things like "anti social" / "dumb" / "bad day" / "l33t r0xx0r kddie" / "griefer".

This leads to some frustration and after a while you don't bother to say "Hello guys" or some general chatter. You just drop in, do your thing and drop out again. Because after about doing 150 dungeons / raids with completely random people you just don't give a s**t any more about those other people.

So I used to use the command tool in MWO quite frequently but after seeing so many people still do stupid things or ignore the "Hey lets stick together" mantra at the beginning of the match, I just don't care any more. Doing PUGs is for me a alternative for testing out builds and that's it. I don't expect anyone to do any kind of coordinated teamplay or even try to play smart. Personally I don't even try to do my best unless I have a good feeling about my team, because it's completely pointless, when you see 3 guys running off in random directions and being killed within the first minute of the match.

Personally I also don't think we will be seeing that much improvement by MM Phase 3. Yes we will be playing with people on a similar "skill" level, but as they still are complete strangers to you and there is 0 communication gong on, it won't be that much of a difference, because building a team out of random players will never never be as good as having a team that wants to play together. It's similar in LoL you will always have baddies on your team and usually can perform better just by joining in a game & on voip with the minimum of 1 other friend

The only fun times in MWO are if you play together with at least 1-3 friends. To do that you MUST join a voice chat, either one of the community voice chats. People who play without any VOIP are basically cannon fodder. So as much as it isn't an exploit, not playing over voice is actually detrimental to your team.

[Thirdstar]

Taizan, on 26 January 2013 - 09:03 AM, said:

snip.......

Brilliant. Just brilliant. It's a damn shame we can't just sticky this somewhere.

PANZERBUNNY, on 26 January 2013 - 09:03 AM, said:

Everyone can fit in, you have to want to though.

[redacted]

Edited by miSs, 27 January 2013 - 02:14 PM.
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[PANZERBUNNY]

Thirdstar, on 26 January 2013 - 09:07 AM, said:

Brilliant. Just brilliant. It's a damn shame we can't just sticky this somewhere.


[redacted]

*pet pet*

There, there. There, there.

We have people who can only listen fairly often.


It's okay. The scary bad gamers won't try to diddle you.

Thirdstar, on 26 January 2013 - 08:58 AM, said:

Never asked for any kind of restriction on anything. Was merely commenting on your character assassination of people who don't want to be on TS.

No more, no less. Narrow points of view annoy the hell out of me.

it's fairly accurate. If it's a persistent dislike, there's a reason for it beyond, "I can't be loud".

[Thirdstar]

PANZERBUNNY, on 26 January 2013 - 09:12 AM, said:

it's fairly accurate. If it's a persistent dislike, there's a reason for it beyond, "I can't be loud".

There's no hope for you and that's a shame. It really is.

[Mystere]

First things first, I am a 100% PUG player. And although I have all the necessary equipment and software to use voice comms, I am choosing not to do so at this point in time. With that out of the way, here are some thoughts for my fellow PUG players ...

Anyone claiming that using out-of-game comms is an exploit is full of BS. It is definitely an advantage though.

Don't complain about fighting against groups. Either join one and/or get better.

If you fight against id1ots all the time, you will likely end up becoming one of them.

Take command. If you don't want to, then follow the orders of the one who does. And if no one chooses to be top dog, then you're SOL unless you have the skills to compensate.

I prefer simple matchmaking (i.e. groups and solo players mixed together with basic group size balancing) over any more elaborate matchmaking system. Why? The former is dead easy to implement and you know perfectly well what the deal is. The latter is usually doomed to endless QQ (i.e. someone will always be unhappy about the algorithms used) and will fragment the small player base.

Finally, skip TDM. I want a 16+ last-man-standing winner-take-all game mode.

[Demoned]

Yes TS is an exploit!

An exploit for those wanting to use their brains.
just like it is, on every other game ever.

Edited by Demoned, 26 January 2013 - 09:19 AM.

[PANZERBUNNY]

Thirdstar, on 26 January 2013 - 09:15 AM, said:

There's no hope for you and that's a shame. It really is.

Sorry. We're not all equal. Some people can't overcome their vast fear of talking to others.

Others can't overcome their inability to change their play style to team up with other people.

Some don't even like teaming up with others.

There are plenty of games that cater to people who never have to talk to another human being. This isn't one of those games.

You "can" play on your own, but any half capable human being would come to the conclusion that it isn't the "optimal" way to enjoy this product. (As we have seen with all the complaints about premades and comms we seem to have many subhumans that have figured out how to turn on the power of their computers.)

Anything that attracts said people tends to be destroyed or bogged down with their mischief of self importance.


This has been a message sponsored by "The Church of the Sub-genius."

[Snowhawk]

Of course TS is not an exploit.
But pgi's incompetency to implement a proper matchmaker or a separate game queue for pugers (casual gamers) is slowly splitting up the community.

[PANZERBUNNY]

Snowhawk, on 26 January 2013 - 09:28 AM, said:

Of course TS is not an exploit.
But pgi's incompetency to implement a proper matchmaker or a separate game queue for pugers (casual gamers) is slowly splitting up the community.

It'll happen.

Heck, to help funnel people into the premade que when we are split, they should offer slight C-Bill and Xp bonus for those matches.

I'm a firm believer in playing overt favourites in how the game is supposed to be played.

[Remarius]

Taizan, on 26 January 2013 - 09:03 AM, said:

The only fun times in MWO are if you play together with at least 1-3 friends. To do that you MUST join a voice chat, either one of the community voice chats. People who play without any VOIP are basically cannon fodder. So as much as it isn't an exploit, not playing over voice is actually detrimental to your team.

Silly generaliser, I Pug 95%+ of the time at the moment and I have fun all the time. When I'm in group I use TS3 or Mumble and guess what... I also have fun there. Honestly stop playing if you're not having fun and go complain somewhere else... pretty please?

[Joseph Mallan]

Thirdstar, on 26 January 2013 - 09:02 AM, said:

a Sisyphean task.

Thank You! I like learning something new every day!

Remarius, on 26 January 2013 - 09:39 AM, said:

Silly generaliser, I Pug 95%+ of the time at the moment and I have fun all the time. When I'm in group I use TS3 or Mumble and guess what... I also have fun there. Honestly stop playing if you're not having fun and go complain somewhere else... pretty please?

I was getting bored playing deaf. Being on TS is a blast. Then again The Law has a real fun bunch of players and listening to the banter makes it a blast to play the game every day!

[stevemac]

It would be no differant if there was voice coms in the game. there would still be ppl that dont use them or say its a unfair advantage if one team has them on and the other dont. As for trying them in closed beta they did with C4( dont know what happened there) so if you feel playing with your friends on TS gives you a advantage. Then all those people that play C.O.D and team up then run around killing people do the same thing but its ok there becuse the chat is intergated?.Last time i looked MWO is a team baised game. if you want to go solo and run off go for it. but dont go to the forums complaning. how you were pug stomped by premades cuse you died alone 6 grid squares away from your team. Not everytime you get stomped is becuse it was a premade on the other side.

[CygnusX7]

Whats funny is how iRacing has in game voice chat and MWO doesn't.
can even create groups and chat with team mates within a race. lol

can also join a race as a spectator and spot for a friend whose driving in the race.

Edited by CygnusX7, 26 January 2013 - 10:48 AM.

[Greyfyl]

PANZERBUNNY, on 26 January 2013 - 08:10 AM, said:

I also added a counter argument that it's the same as people choosing to use only stock variants against fully custom rigs, but you chose to ignore that response, because it doesn't support your argument.

You would make a good politician and by good I mean a good target.

There are reasons people don't always want to get into TS. Just because you don't understand basic concepts like that isn't my fault. You don't need 3rd party software to run custom mechs now do you? So it isn't the same at all. Besides that there is no reason in the sake of balance NOT to put premades on both teams. Makes just as much sense as putting in an ELO system.

This isn't a new issue in the online gaming community, if PGI had any sense at all they would have seen this coming a galaxy away and just nipped it in the bud before it ever got ingrained in the community. We now have a small percentage of the community that feels entitled to play at an advantage because they are in TS.

And once again for the record, I do premades too.

[ThinkTank]

Teamwork is OP! Nerf teamwork!

[Bagheera]

Mk1Cursed, on 26 January 2013 - 07:47 AM, said:

Teamspeak gives you a massive advantage that is not available to everyone else through the normal game, is that not an "exploit"?

Even though I don't use TS/Vent/C3/Whatever unless I will be on for a longer duration than I normally play (tend to hop on for a couple matches and bounce, no reason to grab a set of randoms on voice for that), TS is in fact a free client download and there are numerous servers that are available to everyone. Just because C3 has not been fully implemented is no reason to cry about the lack of voip. It's available, for free, to anyone who wants it. Plenty of folks connect with a <no mic> tag, so that is no reason to cry either. The idea that it's not "available to everyone" is just rubbish.

Also, kinda cannot believe I am posting in this rubbish thread. Talk about your dead horse. Use it or don't, but don't be a ***** about it if you don't take the opportunity to use it.

Further, "Randoms with Voice" (the vast majority of people on the Comstar TS servers) are not "Pre-mades." "Pre-Mades" are dedicated guild/clan/group players who know each other across multiple games. Make the distinction for pancake's sake.

stevemac, on 26 January 2013 - 10:35 AM, said:

Last time i looked MWO is a team baised game. if you want to go solo and run off go for it. but dont go to the forums complaning. how you were pug stomped by premades cuse you died alone 6 grid squares away from your team. Not everytime you get stomped is becuse it was a premade on the other side.

Also this. ^^^^

Remarius, on 26 January 2013 - 09:39 AM, said:

Silly generaliser, I Pug 95%+ of the time at the moment and I have fun all the time. When I'm in group I use TS3 or Mumble and guess what... I also have fun there. Honestly stop playing if you're not having fun and go complain somewhere else... pretty please?

And this. Thread winner right there. We can stop with the dead horse because these two quotes sum it up to a tee.

Edited by Bagheera, 26 January 2013 - 10:03 PM.