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[MiG77]

Khobai, on 26 January 2013 - 01:19 PM, said:

Atlas' got weaker when Level 2 tech was added. They just don't benefit as much from XL engines or DHS as they should. I will explain why.

In tabletop the chance to hit an Atlas in the side torso was exactly the same as the chance to hit a Commando in the side torso. For that reason, an XL engine was worth using on an Atlas. However in MWO, the Atlas' side torso was scaled up in size significantly. Combine that with the fact players can pinpoint specific locations and there's basically no reason to use an XL engine on an Atlas.

And as far as DHS go, PGI has it backwards. By having the internal engine heatsinks be 2.0 theyre just giving light mechs a huge boost. The light mechs don't suffer the penalty of 1.4 DHS because they generally don't mount heatsinks outside their engines. It's the Assaults that suffer the most from 1.4 DHS.

While I agree, this in my opinion misses the point of topic. Atlas itself (even with current rules) is one of the best mech in game.

Personally I only fear in 1vs1 sitatuation (which really, almost never happen) Stalker. I still usually win, but while I do it, it is most of the time "Phyrric victory".

Edited by MiG77, 26 January 2013 - 01:31 PM.

[Mr 144]

Squigles, on 26 January 2013 - 01:22 PM, said:

That's actually a quote confirming that damage received is reduced by 10%, not that you have 10% more armor in the location.

As an example, a location with 50 armor doesn't have 55 armor because it has missile bay doors, it reduces incoming damage by 10% when the doors are shut, an AC/10 hits for 9 damage.

If you look at the post immediately before the dev's post, you see why they needed to clarify that.

Nope...

Component damage =/= Location damage

The damage reduction only occurs on internal components. There is ZERO affect on an armored location.

Mr 144

[J0anna]

I pilot a lot of atlases (or is it atlai), for what is does (damage sponge) it isn't bad, I would like to see the side torso hitboxes reduced about 10% (and that value added to the arms) as you really need to torso twist about 90 degrees to get the arms to be hit at all, but I usually am pretty good at spreading around damage. The trick with stalkers is to spread their damage and make your heavy shots count. The key is the ballistic, almost all my builds sport an ac/20 or a gauss - something the stalker can't use.

The atlas (and for that matter most assaults) is pretty unforgiving. You can't really recover from a positioning mistake, nor can you quickly shift around the battlefield. The key is to read the others and make sure you're in the proper area (at the proper time), and yes comms help that. But even pugging I fould it's easier to pull off if I tell the others what I am doing, once people know what one pilot is doing, most tend to move to support him.

[Khobai]

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While I agree, this in my opinion misses the point of topic. Atlas itself (even with current rules) is one of the best mech in game.

Only because the D-DC has ECM. Again its got nothing to do with the D-DC and everything to do with ECM. Put ECM on a Stalker 3H and suddenly its one of the best mechs. If the D-DC didn't have ECM the Atlas would be a sub-par mech IMO.

[Mazzyplz]

POLL: is this thread for real? or just some kind of a joke

[MiG77]

Khobai, on 26 January 2013 - 01:34 PM, said:

Only because the D-DC has ECM. Again its got nothing to do with the D-DC and everything to do with ECM. Put ECM on a Stalker 3H and suddenly its one of the best mechs. If the D-DC didn't have ECM the Atlas would be a sub-par mech IMO.

Again while I agree that ECM is huge boost to D-DC, I do just fine in Founder D or RS also (= I dont still fear any mech in 1 vs 1 except that Stalker for reason I mentioned before).

Edited by MiG77, 26 January 2013 - 01:39 PM.

[Khobai]

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Again while I agree that ECM is huge boost to D-DC, I do just fine in Founder D or RS also (= I dont still fear any mech in 1 vs 1 except that Stalker for reason I mentioned before).

Yes but two Raven 3Ls will still murder you in a Founders-D despite you having a 30 ton advantage.

[Grey Ghost]

The only Atlas that I would consider weak would be the AS7-K. It simply sacrifices too many weapon slots to mount that 2nd AMS. Instead of 4E/1B/1M, it should be either 6E/1B/1M or 4E/2B/1M. The 6E version would be inline with how they setup the AS7-RS, which would still have the edge in my opinion with having the extra missile slot over the -K's 2 center torso energy slots.

[siLve00]

Khobai, on 26 January 2013 - 01:34 PM, said:

Only because the D-DC has ECM. Again its got nothing to do with the D-DC and everything to do with ECM. Put ECM on a Stalker 3H and suddenly its one of the best mechs. If the D-DC didn't have ECM the Atlas would be a sub-par mech IMO.

i run my DDC w/o ECM ....! Why ? Because I CAN ! HA !

oh and nope... atlas is not to weak if you can "tank" 4-5 enemy mechs with moving and still kill 1 or 2 ^^

Edited by siLve00, 26 January 2013 - 02:00 PM.

[Khobai]

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i run my DDC w/o ECM ....! Why ? Because I CAN ! HA !

If youre tanking 4-5 enemy mechs then theyre absolutely terrible players.

[siLve00]

Khobai, on 26 January 2013 - 02:04 PM, said:

If youre tanking 4-5 enemy mechs then theyre absolutely terrible players.

did i say for how long ?

[Lightfoot]

King Arthur IV, on 26 January 2013 - 12:22 PM, said:

if atlas is weak, where is the awesome then?

The Awesome is in a game that never arrived. It was most likely balanced around DHS 2.0 where it would be a glass cannon, but firing 6xLLAS or 4 ERL with minor overheating. We got DHS 1.4 and the Awesome was abandoned in the other game. It's too bad, it was never fixed, but if it can't be the DHS 2.0 cannon it needs to be alot tougher. Meaning a smaller CT hitbox like the other two Assaults have.

[Red squirrel]

Roughneck45, on 26 January 2013 - 12:39 PM, said:

You are just running into bad Atlas pilots.

The skill gaps in this game are pretty tremendous.

Give yourself some credit too, takes good aim to keep all 4 AC's on CT for the duration needed to core it.

Let alone all those LRM20 boating Atlas .. what a waste.

And thanks for the credit

Cerlin, on 26 January 2013 - 12:39 PM, said:

You are kidding right? The atlas (driven well) is still a beast of a machine. Versatile, heavy armor, lots of mounts and 15 more tons than the stalker. However the stalker is made to boat and has more mounts, so it may outshoot you but you should be able to tank the damage in an atlas (if you move.)

At least it is quite easy to disarm (= take off the arms ) the Stalker.

Edited by Red squirrel, 26 January 2013 - 02:15 PM.

[Red squirrel]

MiG77, on 26 January 2013 - 01:15 PM, said:

You have run bad Atlas pilots/setups(or you are simply better player than most). Proper brawler Atlas can core Phract (fully armored) in about two alpha shot.

Let's see what ELO will bring....

[Khobai]

Well the Atlas is 100 tons with 8 hardpoints so its got 1 hardpoint per 12.5 tons

Compare that to a Raven which is 35 tons with 5 hardpoints which has 1 hardpoint per 7 tons

So basically a Raven is getting almost double the hardpoints per tonnage as an Atlas. I think that illustrates the problem right there.

[MiG77]

Khobai, on 26 January 2013 - 01:54 PM, said:

Yes but two Raven 3Ls will still murder you in a Founders-D despite you having a 30 ton advantage.

As it should be. After all there are two players vs one (One which can always fire on your rear). Thinking it purely from tonnage point of views is imo flawed.

[Kyryos]

Livewyr, on 26 January 2013 - 12:09 PM, said:

I pilot everything, and the Atlas is by far the strongest mech for taking damage, and dishing it out. (Except for perhaps the splatcat.. which can get neutered very easily.)

Trick to atlas:
When on weapon cool down, turn torso to present most armor to enemy, upon recycle, turn, deliver heavy hit, turn torso repeat.

Atlas D-DC
3 SRM6 + Art
1 AC20
2 Medium Lasers

several DHS
Max Armor
Crush everything.

I like this build but with a Gauss instead. I use the srms up close and gauss to snipe, still wish I would have just bought a different Atlas that could mount more lasers, the DDC is kind of boring.

Edited by Kyryos, 26 January 2013 - 02:25 PM.

[Khobai]

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like this build but with a Gauss instead. I use the srms up close and gauss to snipe, still wish I would have just bought a different Atlas that could mount more lasers, the DDC is kind of boring.

Yeah it would be nice to get that hero Atlas "Danielle" that has like 3 energy hardpoints in each arm.

http://www.sarna.net...as_(BattleMech)

So it would have x6 energy hardpoints, x1 missile hardpoint, and x1 ballistic hardpoint I guess

Edited by Khobai, 26 January 2013 - 02:34 PM.

[SpammyV]

When I was first grinding C-Bills in my Raven 4X, oftentimes I died right after I said on Teamspeak, "Oh God the Atlas looked at me."

And now that I'm a Stalker jock, I have to say... Atlases are still tough. I've been thinking a bit and I think it's all in that gun rack, that's a huge source of burst damage that generates little heat that I can't quite keep up with even with Medium Lasers and SRMs coming out my wazoo. I always try to peel off their cannon first so they stop shooting me with that AC/20 or Gauss Rifle, and it doesn't always work.

So as someone who regularly dies to Atlases, I think they're just fine.

[Red squirrel]

Moenrg, on 26 January 2013 - 01:33 PM, said:

I pilot a lot of atlases (or is it atlai),

Considering that it is of latin origin Atlai would be wrong since it is the plural connected to the
O-declination (singular: servus, plural: servi). Still most people her call them Atlai.

I guess correct plural forms could be:
1. Atlases
2. Atlantes


To be honest, I think it is so big it is uncountable
1 Atlas
2 Atlas
3 Atlas
4 Atlas
5 Atlas
6 Atlas
7 Atlas
8 Atlas
9 Atlas
10 Atlas

(I do this when I'm having problems falling asleep.
Count Atlas walking over the ridge ín frozen city)