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[Kylere]

You can play without thermal mode on?
WHY?

[Cpt Jason McCarthy]

Kaspirikay, on 26 January 2013 - 06:51 PM, said:

Thermal has multiple uses. I use mine primarily to acquire targets and also to check their heat ratio. If they're hot, I know I'm at an advantage.

Thermal is op.

Thermal colors are NOT scaled to the target's heat level, but damages spread out on armor sections.

[De La Fresniere]

I've always disliked Thermal Vision, but almost every map in the game bathes your eyes in mud/mayonnaise/creamspinachsoup, not to mention there always seems to be an absurd amount of blur/grain/discoloration, so until PGI develops the technology to display images, it's the only way to spot distant mechs.

When we can choose our maps, I'm only picking clear maps (like Frozen City Night, though hopefully one with more open spaces).

[Terriskai]

For me...

Heat vision = Not as fun to play with (yay for glowy blobs!)
Heat vision = Better suvivability when I use it (I see you!)

So unfortunately I use it quite often to my dissapointment.

I wish there were more environmental effects that would interfere with it
I wish there was a module to counter it
I wish heat vision had limited range similar to night vision
I wish it would stop snowing on Frozen City...

[M4NTiC0R3X]

I really enjoy thermal vision... always (except caustic) use it! Hell it's pretty powerfu, it may as well be something you gotta buy and equip like a module but ya, it's not boring in any way to repetively press H whilst scouting about. Gives you an an edge, an advantage.. and no I don't think it looks boring even on the smallest of resolutions... My buddy ran fullscreen on is 28inch moniter last weekend... holy bageezus I was blown away by the clarity of the thermal vision...

however, whenever he uses thermal in fullscreen mode his framerate drops from 50 - 60 to 15 - 25...


Night vision is most certainly not a joke I have no idea wth you guys are talking about... I'm not trying to sound mean here but on my half as$ computer and on my buddys custom 3k computer it looks astounding. Functions perfectly, thermal shows heat signatures from great distances and night vision shows detail of whats directly infront of you... I honestly do not understand how you could look at the thermal & night vision, given what it is, and pretend like it's hurting your eyes. The main reason you don't see people using night vision much is because it's so much easier to see enemies, especially ECM units in thermal...

So what, you want a thermal nerf or how exactly would you propose to make night vision better because when I look at it it's all there... the same game... in green night vision. People say they hate the dark map, but you know what... learn the damn map and you could manuver and kill w/ your eyes closed... eyes.. closed...

I'm just upset 'cos I want to play, the first part made sense

Edited by M4NTiC0R3X, 12 February 2013 - 04:12 PM.

[Deamhan]

It should be a module. It would be perfect to go into the head slot.

They can open up a whole new meta game IMO.

Separate the Signal Jam and Radar Jam effect of ECM into two separate modules.

Make thermal a module.

Introduce a Cool Exhaust module that makes a mech below 10% heat the same temp as the environment. (Ever see how well a shutdown mech blends with it's surroundings under thermal vision?)

They could introduce modules that allow locking onto thermal sigs

They really need to branch out into the eWarfare.

Also these modules should be "omni" modules that make use of any hard point type. As long as it cost a hard point because these eWar modules are "weapons" in their own way.

[Rigmoran]

Warskull, on 26 January 2013 - 05:33 PM, said:

I find while thermal makes it easier to spot a mech, it makes it harder to aim for precise points on the torso/head.

Agreed. Finding targets is faster in Thermal but hitting specific locations is easier in either other mode.

[Britane]

thermal vision is essential no one would pilot a mech without it, so it's not sensible to make it optional.

Limiting it's "range" would make no sense at all. We see the galactic core through the dust via infrared, a little fog or air wouldn't limit the range.

what might be nice would be to have a second way to view it...

the image processing would drop the baseline heat and "color dodge" an overlay of the high heat source. Here's an example of what it would look like...



but you'd still want to be able to use the current mode too, as washing out the visual environment detail is part of the benefit of it.

One thing that would be nice though is if our Friend-or-Foe systems could still mark powered down mechs as friend.

but hey, it's not a perfect world

Edited by Britane, 12 February 2013 - 05:15 PM.

[Kraven Kor]

I could see thermal as a module.

What I would rather see is various enhanced vision modules that combine the utility of thermal with, you know, still being able to see the work the graphics guys did on the environment.

Make an "Enhanced Thermal Overlay" module that puts heat signature overlays without turning everything to various shades of blue.

Then an "Enhanced Nightvision Overlay" that is nightvision without it, well, making you want to claw your own eyes out from the glare and saturation.

Something like that.

[Javok]

Profiteer, on 26 January 2013 - 05:15 PM, said:

On most maps I find myself pushing H at the start and playing in thermal vision; it's simply easier to spot enemy mechs, particularly at a distance.

The problem is it's sooo boring to look at.

When I'm spectating I see a lot of other people using thermal as well.

It's a waste of cry-engine 3. I know it's my own decision to use it, but I feel switching to normal vision puts you at a disadvantage on some maps, and night vision is a joke.

I don't know if it should be removed, or perhaps made a VERY expensive module? (and ditch advanced zoom )

You are going at it wrong...

FIX THE DAMN NORMAL VISION!!!!!!!!!!

The current vision range is awful and we should be able to see farther, right now the game is far too dark and misty which is why people resort to H.

[Cato Phoenix]

Heat vision is not supposed to be 'normal vision but better'.

If you want the advantage, deal with the blurriness.

I personally don't use it much, except to spot or (sometimes) on RCN.

[Orgasmo]

I keep thermal on when I am using a long range sniper fit. When I am running a brawler, I only turn it on to watch for enemy movements in the distance so I can get in better position to intercept.

[Galenit]

I use thermal more often then i should.
Its too good in the moment.

It would be better, if they increase the range of nightvision and reduce the contrast on it for night maps.
And if they reduce the range of thermal to 400m (+200m of fadeout) and make 2 modules increasing it to 600m(+250m fadeout) at tier 1 and 800m (+300m fadeout) at tier 2. The numbers are only an example, but they seem balanced for me. Fadeout means it gets blurry, the heatsignature of a mech becomes more and more a blob and fades more in the surrounding. Without the module you will see a mechs heatsignature clearly up to 400m then it fades slowly to the surrounding and at 600m you cant see any difference between the mech and the surrounding anymore.
With this changes you have to sacrifice a moduleslot to use thermal effective over 400m, what seems more balanced.

Edited by Galenit, 13 February 2013 - 04:32 AM.

[Boogie Man]

I didn't use thermal until they put ECM in. Now I use it all the time because without it you can't see ECM mechs most of the time. If they just got rid of the inability to target ecm'd mechs past 200m I would go back to normal vision. ECM is not even sopposed to block basic targeting the way it does in game right now if you follow TT rules.

[StandingCow]

Totally agree, I said it another thread (can't remember where) that I haven't really even gotten to enjoy the sights of some maps. River city night? Thermal immediately. The only reason I have probably ever seen frozen city without thermal is because I was playing before thermal vision.

Really hope they make it a module or some sort of negative side to using this... I want to SEE your maps guys!

[Khobai]

I dont mind thermal, however it should require a module slot to use, because its THAT good.

[MaddMaxx]

Thermal Paint Patterns FTW baby.

Buy it for (only) C-Bills. Paint your Mech and then its Thermal signature becomes less and less visible with added range. Near undetectable via Thermal at >500m out.

Edited by MaddMaxx, 13 February 2013 - 08:12 AM.

[Mechteric]

I'd also like to use thermals less, I think I heard Garth mention they'll be looking into it but we'll just have to wait it out i guess.

[FrDrake]

Boogie Man, on 13 February 2013 - 06:32 AM, said:

I didn't use thermal until they put ECM in. Now I use it all the time because without it you can't see ECM mechs most of the time. If they just got rid of the inability to target ecm'd mechs past 200m I would go back to normal vision. ECM is not even sopposed to block basic targeting the way it does in game right now if you follow TT rules.

Same, before ECM I didn't turn on thermal except at extreme ranges, now I use it more than even you 80% people claim to. Every map except caustic, I don't turn it on at all there because it doesn't help seeing at long range.

Anyone who doesn't use thermals alot is like playing with a hand behind your back.

Scale ECM back please so I can enjoy the visuals.

[Brixton]

I have to use it a lot to survive and the blurriness is giving me eyestrain.

Granted I've been on a MWO bender the last 2 days, but last night the thing that did me in was an impending migraine from looking at the fuzzy blue blobs.

I think if it was made sharper it would make the game much more enjoyable for everyone.

And anyways, it doesn't make sense that by 3049 humans have conquered the stars and pilot epic war machines, but apparently gave up on thermal vision in the 1970s.