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[Codejack]

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Let me know, and I'll buy that much MC if you need the $9 to read them.

Edited by Chris K, 29 January 2013 - 08:43 AM.
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[Adrienne Vorton]

lol

[Lytharan]

I think they have already read this

[Codejack]

Lytharan, on 27 January 2013 - 11:53 AM, said:

I think they have already read this

Have you played the game?! I'm not sure they've ever heard of these books!

[Lytharan]

Played MWO ? Yes. Played TT ? No.

Even if they want to stay close as possible to BattleTech, they have to make concessions to export a TT game to a realtime game, keep this in mind... So MWO has different rules, I trust them, they do a great work.

[Codejack]

Lytharan, on 27 January 2013 - 02:13 PM, said:

Played MWO ? Yes. Played TT ? No.

Even if they want to stay close as possible to BattleTech, they have to make concessions to export a TT game to a realtime game, keep this in mind... So MWO has different rules, I trust them, they do a great work.

That's fine; I understand changes to the specifics. I don't understand radically altering the balance of equipment to the point that it breaks the game.

[Mordynak]

The game is broken? I don't see how you can say that really. Works pretty well on my end.

[Lytharan]

Personally I am satisfied with MWO.Ok, there are a few settings to do (like balance a little ECM) and some default to fix (like lag, movement accuracy) but nothing breaks the game. I find the game well balanced, I like equally play with my Atlas, Awsome, Jenners, Cicada, Hunchback, Commando, ... depending of my humor

[Codejack]

Mordynak, on 27 January 2013 - 02:41 PM, said:

The game is broken? I don't see how you can say that really. Works pretty well on my end.

Really?

-Crashes one way or the other every 3 or 4 games
-Weapon balance is a sick joke
-Most electronics are useless (BAP, Artemis, NARC, TAG), except ECM which is more likely to decide the outcome of a battle than any other factor
-1 game mode with an option of either 2 or 5 objectives

If you call that "working pretty well," I'd hate to see your idea of "buggy."

[Mordynak]

Crashes for YOU every other 3 or 4 games. Hardly ever crashes for me. There have been a lot of updates, perhaps you could try a reinstall?

You think weapon balance is a joke? I really can't see where youre coming from there.

All of those work fine for me. BAP isnt supposed to do a huge deal. It does speed up targeting quite well, and it does detect shut down mechs. Artemis makes Missiles group together much more effectively, exactly as its supposed too. Cant say anything for NARC as i havnt actually tried it. Lastly, TAG works really well too. Me and a friend of mine often run with TAG and LRM's and it works really well.

Maybe you struggle to count but there are infact 2 game modes, each with 2 win conditions. There are more in the pipeline as far as im aware.

The game isnt perfect by any means but its hardly broken. Nore by the way is it finished, please bear that in mind and quit your complaining.

[Codejack]

Mordynak, on 27 January 2013 - 04:15 PM, said:

Crashes for YOU every other 3 or 4 games. Hardly ever crashes for me. There have been a lot of updates, perhaps you could try a reinstall?

Every patch, yea. Last patch I completely reinstalled my OS trying to fix it.

Mordynak, on 27 January 2013 - 04:15 PM, said:

You think weapon balance is a joke? I really can't see where youre coming from there.

Really? Tell me how often you use the following weapons: Machine guns, flamers, small lasers, small pulse lasers, large pulse lasers, er anything, or LB-X AC/10?

Mordynak, on 27 January 2013 - 04:15 PM, said:

All of those work fine for me. BAP isnt supposed to do a huge deal. It does speed up targeting quite well, and it does detect shut down mechs. Artemis makes Missiles group together much more effectively, exactly as its supposed too. Cant say anything for NARC as i havnt actually tried it. Lastly, TAG works really well too. Me and a friend of mine often run with TAG and LRM's and it works really well.

Then we're playing different games; BAP is useless when you almost always run into enemy ECM; I have 2 Catapults, one with Artemis and one without, and I can never tell the difference, on any weapon system; I have tried NARC, and it doesn't do anything; TAG works on large, slow mechs, but since four of the five ECM mechs are small and fast, that doesn't help so much.

Mordynak, on 27 January 2013 - 04:15 PM, said:

Maybe you struggle to count but there are infact 2 game modes, each with 2 win conditions.

No, that's one game mode with two options; it's capture the flag with either 2 or 5 flags.

Mordynak, on 27 January 2013 - 04:15 PM, said:

There are more in the pipeline as far as im aware.

10 flags? I can't wait!

Mordynak, on 27 January 2013 - 04:15 PM, said:

The game isnt perfect by any means but its hardly broken.

No, it is broken. It is not fun to play. It could be made fun to play, again, but it's been going the other way for a while, now.

Mordynak, on 27 January 2013 - 04:15 PM, said:

Nore by the way is it finished, please bear that in mind and quit your complaining.

OK, now here is where your argument just falls apart: If it isn't done, then I should absolutely keep complaining, and if it is, then you and I are both just wasting our time, here.

[Mordynak]

Codejack, on 27 January 2013 - 04:45 PM, said:

Every patch, yea. Last patch I completely reinstalled my OS trying to fix it.

Thats unfortunate...

Codejack, on 27 January 2013 - 04:45 PM, said:

Really? Tell me how often you use the following weapons: Machine guns, flamers, small lasers, small pulse lasers, large pulse lasers, er anything, or LB-X AC/10?

I use most of those weapons on my mechs, all apart from machine guns and flamers. But that doesnt mean those two are unbalanced...

I use most of those weapons on my mechs, all apart from machine guns and flamers. But that doesnt mean those two are unbalanced...

If everything was "balanced" then there would be any point in people using different weapons.

Codejack, on 27 January 2013 - 04:45 PM, said:

Then we're playing different games; BAP is useless when you almost always run into enemy ECM; I have 2 Catapults, one with Artemis and one without, and I can never tell the difference, on any weapon system; I have tried NARC, and it doesn't do anything; TAG works on large, slow mechs, but since four of the five ECM mechs are small and fast, that doesn't help so much.

Then you're just oblivious to whats happening right in front of you.

Codejack, on 27 January 2013 - 04:45 PM, said:

No, that's one game mode with two options; it's capture the flag with either 2 or 5 flags.

10 flags? I can't wait!

No, it is broken. It is not fun to play. It could be made fun to play, again, but it's been going the other way for a while, now.

Can anyone else see a pattern here...?

Negative Nancy.... haha

Codejack, on 27 January 2013 - 04:45 PM, said:

OK, now here is where your argument just falls apart: If it isn't done, then I should absolutely keep complaining, and if it is, then you and I are both just wasting our time, here.

Whos arguing?

Yep, I'm clearly wasting my time.

Edited by Mordynak, 27 January 2013 - 05:14 PM.

[Codejack]

Mordynak, on 27 January 2013 - 05:13 PM, said:

Yep, I'm clearly wasting my time.

Ah, then you're just trolling my thread. Thanks, and welcome to ignore.

[Theobald Hauser]

Mordynak, BAPs don't quicken targeting, but data gathering.

[sC4r]

damn all of you tabletoppers... i ve got no idea how good (or even if its good) that game is but please STOP SPILLING CRAP ABOUT ITS NOT TT LEGIT already
i wouldnt mind if the game was ballanced and lets say ac20 would deal 40 dmg

yes you are right that at this time there are some very underrated electronics but ill let you know a secret... its a work in a progress and there are lots of attempts to fix the stuff that doesnt work

and for your crashing: report your specs, problem it causes and other stuff and if its too much for you to handle you have the option to quit the game or come back when its fixed... in fact this patch did wonders in overal performance of the game ->lagshield is pretty much eliminated, and the 4 fps bug (overflowing or whatever caused it) happens MUCH less for one i didnt get one since patch

[Karl Streiger]

sC4r, on 28 January 2013 - 04:08 AM, said:

damn all of you tabletoppers...

you mean table - stop pers (people that tend to use the battletech rulebooks as bible - without ability to abstract things or work around)

however there are dozen things were MWO is much worser as TT.
on the other hand .. and that is really funny. How long last a match of 8 vs 8 in TT.
Seldom more as 20 to 30 rounds. well thats 200 to 300 secs in real time
How large is the map? Seldom more as 3x3 map sheets...even the tiny mwo maps are larger.

and sC4r when you *damn* me again... well you don't want to know what happens

[sC4r]

Karl Streiger, on 28 January 2013 - 04:22 AM, said:

and sC4r when you *damn* me again... well you don't want to know what happens

damn you

and ill be waiting in my atlas for ya
COME

[Karl Streiger]

sC4r, on 28 January 2013 - 04:36 AM, said:

damn you

and ill be waiting in my atlas for ya
COME

Challenge accepted my Atlas - nicknamed Koenigsmoerder - will march in 3.5 hours

To call another one a troll when posting such a obvious troll thread shows that the poster was enraged by something and didn't take some time for a tee and rethinking his opinion before posting.

Something i would highly recommend. Because it is not PGI that kills you but a heart stroke will

Edited by Karl Streiger, 28 January 2013 - 06:52 AM.

[Runenstahl]

So far I encountered only two cases where I had graphic errors that made it impossible for me to play and the game NEVER crashed on me (in 350+ games !). Thats not helpful to you of course if for some reason your games crashes often. But why post here instead of trying to get support ?

I've been playing the boardgame a dozen years ago. MWO is (thankfully) NOT trying to bring the boardgame across in a 1:1 conversion. Instead they try to make an interesting PC game out of it. They learned from the mistakes of other BT-PC games. And so far they've done a great job in making MWO awesome. If the odd thing isn't working correctly... well on my screen it still says "Beta".

And actually... the boardgame rules where broken in their own ways.

Flamers and MG's where pretty useless in the boardgame too. The MG did have a special rule where it did MUCH more damage against infantry. Nice idea, only that most other weapons (ML's for example) still where much better against infantry if simply because infantry units could not attack anything farther away then 180m.

And seriously, who would EVER field an LRM 10 according to the original rules, when you could just as well use two LRM 5 for the same damage und heat, but being one ton lighter ?

Looking at the most effective fan builds you quickly see that a general way to make TT mechs better is to strip out everything and fill it up with medium lasers. If thats a sign for good weapon balance to you we may not be defining the word "balance" the same way.

In MWO I see lots of different weapons used in lot's of different builds which is clearly a sign that weapon balance works pretty well. Is there room for improvement ? Sure. But let's repeat together: "It is still a BETA".

[Codejack]

"It's beta" is an excuse for bugs, not for imbalance.

I could live with the crashing if the game was fun.