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[Joseph Mallan]

Ilwrath, on 01 February 2013 - 05:28 AM, said:

OK I'll be honest with you. We simply don't like the Ashat premade kind of players and because gaming is done for fun and general enjoyment we don't want to mix in with them. Its like stepping on dogcrap. Better avoid that.

I had to fix this for you. I Assume you don't hate all Premades.

[PANZERBUNNY]

Sifright, on 01 February 2013 - 05:39 AM, said:

I love how much you guys twist and turn to justify a status quo which only benefits yourself.

truly you are the epitome of the selfish ***.

seamlessly integrated voice comms should be considered the STANDARD normal method of communication in a game like this.

If games from the 90s had integrated voice comms there is absolutely no reason this should be acceptable.

As for worrying about other high priority things being implemented there really isn't anything higher in priority than making sure the core of your game works well.

communication in a TEAM based game should be at the very top of that priority list.

Unless you don't believe this is a team based game?

They obviously weighed on whether they should put resources into it and came up as "no" or "not yet".

They incorrectly assumed that the players attracted to this game could figure out 3rd party TS software. They were obviously mistaken....by a factor of 9000.

Sifright, on 01 February 2013 - 05:44 AM, said:

the thing I find most amusing is all the straw manning in this thread accusing me of being a horrendously bad pug player.

I'm not i do a large mix of pugging 4 manning and 8 manning.

of the lot 4 manning is the least satisfying because rolling pugs with a 4 man is disgustingly easy.

even soloing in the pug queue i've had matches where i've rolled the entire enemy team doing 1500 damage getting 7-8 kills.

Pugs desperately need better communication tools.

it should be one of the top priorities right now.

Retaining new players needs to be at the top of their list right.

*Although tbh I would love to get some actual new maps that aren't just a reskin.*

Educate PUGS about the ability to use TS and they may improve their gaming experience in other games as well.

Teach a man to fish and all that jazz.

[Ilwrath]

PANZERBUNNY, on 01 February 2013 - 05:43 AM, said:

I would rather there be PUG stomps than failed matchmaking.

You mean failed to find match? I got that several times yesterday. Not in a row though.

PANZERBUNNY, on 01 February 2013 - 05:43 AM, said:

Even if they make it so only solo people are paired in groups together, people will THEN whine about Veterans joining up with their pimped out mechs and stomping them.

Phase 3

PANZERBUNNY, on 01 February 2013 - 05:43 AM, said:

This is a tiresome cyclical topic.

It is.. but the devs do read this forum, when they are not occupied with reddit or facbook, so I can see no harm in keeping the debate going.

Joseph Mallan, on 01 February 2013 - 05:48 AM, said:

I had to fix this for you. I Assume you don't hate all Premades.

It seems you got me again there. I am even lazypubbing the forum.

[Bguk]

Sifright, on 01 February 2013 - 05:48 AM, said:

if the premaders behave like they did with 8 man queue when elo gets introduced it will go like this

"Waaahhh I hate losing" *quits game*

because there wont be an easy mode pug rolling method left in the game.

Good. I'd rather play against better players.

It's really not good but what can you do. Whatever change is made will not please a certain demographic.

[Sifright]

PANZERBUNNY, on 01 February 2013 - 05:49 AM, said:

They obviously weighed on whether they should put resources into it and came up as "no" or "not yet".

They incorrectly assumed that the players attracted to this game could figure out 3rd party TS software. They were obviously mistaken....by a factor of 9000.



Educate PUGS about the ability to use TS and they may improve their gaming experience in other games as well.

Teach a man to fish and all that jazz.

The problem is pugs are refusing to learn to fish to use your analogy and in all honesty they shouldn't have to. integrated voice comms should be the standard not a nice extra.

[PANZERBUNNY]

Lone Wolf PUG players will always find a communal excuse as to why they get stomped.

Split them up. Give them their own ques. Part them by weight, sex and hairstyle, they'll still moan about a game feature which "unfairly" makes them lose.

[Sifright]

Bguk, on 01 February 2013 - 05:53 AM, said:

Good. I'd rather play against better players.

It's really not good but what can you do. Whatever change is made will not please a certain demographic.

well I'm all for playing against better players the problem is the game doesn't have that huge a pool of players that it can shake off large amounts of people leaving Elo is going to average things out to a 50-50 win/loss if implemented correctly.

Most people are NOT going to enjoy that. I personally can't wait.

[Mack1]

Applecrow, on 31 January 2013 - 09:25 PM, said:

More than ever we need a trial only queue.

It's a team-based game, its pointless to call for nerfs to using teamwork.

They took away large groups, and people still complain about premades. They could completely remove grouping, and people will still complain about focus fire, or hax-made groups.

That won't stop PUG stomping by 4 man clan lances. We need what this game has always needed, an option for solo players to group against solo players, if the rest of you want to use VOIP and clan v clan then great but some of us can't and we are the majority, cater for us or your game goes down the toilet basically.

[Joseph Mallan]

Sifright, on 01 February 2013 - 05:53 AM, said:

integrated voice comms should be the standard not a nice extra.

True... but right now they are not, so we either work around this short coming and keep asking, "Are we there yet?" or we keep having these, 'you suck! No you suck' threads!

[Ilwrath]

Bguk, on 01 February 2013 - 05:53 AM, said:

Good. I'd rather play against better players.

Do you find all the games you want in the 8 man que or is it as empty as some say here on this forum?

[PANZERBUNNY]

Sifright, on 01 February 2013 - 05:53 AM, said:

The problem is pugs are refusing to learn to fish to use your analogy and in all honesty they shouldn't have to. integrated voice comms should be the standard not a nice extra.

Well each and every organized team or group of players would disagree with you....in every game. I can't think of any team effort that relies on the comms in whatever game they are playing over 3rd party Team Speak Servers.

If anything it serves as a better way to recruit people into your group AWAY from crappy game voice comms.

So here we are people. Get on 3rd party voice comms and we can A/S/L a bit.

Mack1, on 01 February 2013 - 05:55 AM, said:

That won't stop PUG stomping by 4 man clan lances. We need what this game has always needed, an option for solo players to group against solo players, if the rest of you want to use VOIP and clan v clan then great but some of us can't and we are the majority, cater for us or your game goes down the toilet basically.

This is hilarious.

Bud, you probably won't even be here 2-3 months from now because you'll be distracted by a new Barbie Sims game or something equally as engaging for your gamer demographic.

[Sifright]

Ilwrath, on 01 February 2013 - 05:56 AM, said:

Do you find all the games you want in the 8 man que or is it as empty as some say here on this forum?

The last time i got a group together for an 8 man we managed two games in a hour, before the group fell apart. There were three teams playing at the time and we were rotated between the two of them after failing to find a game 5 times in a row at the end the group splintered.

[Jetfire]

I really think dropship mode and ELO will address this having played the War Thunder open beta.

[Monsoon]

Oh look another thread where somebody PUGs and just 'knows' when he gets stomped it's because the other team has a pre-made.

Seriously, do you have any evidence as to the make up of the other team other then conjecture? Because the fact the other team has an ECM Raven and a 6 PPC Stalker doesn't mean a thing.

The games been in Open Beta for four months now, people have built up enough cash to spec more then one mech by now.

Edited by Monsoon, 01 February 2013 - 06:01 AM.

[Mycrus]

Zylo, on 01 February 2013 - 04:38 AM, said:

I'm guessing you're a bit bored and the 8-man queue is dead right now...

yup, really bored that this great game has been reduced to ECM farming 4-mans...

PANZERBUNNY, on 01 February 2013 - 04:50 AM, said:

This entire thread is a troll against sanity and responsible gaming, perpetuated by people who have very little understanding of what makes a long lasting game.

to answer you, I will quote the wisdom of Mycrus the Great, Defender of PUGs.

Mycrus, on 04 January 2013 - 08:06 PM, said:

why are some of you premades defending your divine right to pugstomp? anybody can plainly see that it is killing the game.

it is also killing your skills... as you get cocky and think that you are Mech Romney incarnate...

when you 'eventually' face up against a fairly competent 8-man (in the rare occasion that you do play 8-man) and you will realize what i am saying...

but no, you will not admit to yourself that it is because of your blunted pugstomping skills... you will still say that it is PGIs fault for not putting balance in 8-man games...

all the while you claim that 4-man vs PUGs is balanced?! so you will hide in your 4-man and pretend that you didn't get roflstomped in the last 8-man you played...

the worse thing is you will take it out against the PUGs and run 2-4 SSRM ECM clown builds.

4-man vs PUGs is OP
4-man (with ECM) vs PUGs is god mode
4 + 4 vs PUGs is cowardice

i've seen both sides of the story and sorry while i do belong to a fairly large unit - i'm taking the side of the PUGs in this round...

PANZERBUNNY, on 01 February 2013 - 04:50 AM, said:

Stop worrying about your lame stats and you'll be fine.

i'd love to have what you are smoking!

I PUG.LIFE bro!

I've purposely dropped my stats from 3.82 to 1



I care less about my stats than the pre-mades i stomp while I am PUGging.

Why? Because 4-man is EZ snooze mode and rots your skills...

remember in 8-man you da PUG!

EDIT: fixed wall of text

Edited by Mycrus, 01 February 2013 - 06:04 AM.

[siLve00]

PANZERBUNNY, on 01 February 2013 - 05:54 AM, said:

Lone Wolf PUG players will always find a communal excuse as to why they get stomped.

Split them up. Give them their own ques. Part them by weight, sex and hairstyle, they'll still moan about a game feature which "unfairly" makes them lose.

you forgot the "flightsuite" since real mw pilots just use boxershorts in their cockpit ! YAY !

By the way... you should not talk about pug/lonewolf in generall ^^.
Iam a lonewolf/pug.. i DO USE TS.. but not for MW ( i have more as 1 reason why not ).. i dont blame all the time premades that i did lose a match. 90% of the time i do blame those 5 guys in my team who aren´t able to do atleast 200 damage with their mechs.


IMO there should be voip ( i wouldn´t use it ) ... but for a teamgame like MW;O in 2012/13 it should be standard.
On the other hand.. this game is so broken... they should fix other stuff first and fix the pug/premade problem with the MM ( tho i see there problems too ).

so all over i could care less... since i did stop playing because theres nothing else to do as to rage over bugs / bad players on 4 different maps all day long. I will see you all here... or after some patches ingame again

Edited by siLve00, 01 February 2013 - 06:02 AM.

[PANZERBUNNY]

I've been doing mostly PUGS the last while. I think I'm floating around 1.25. Worked up from .65 after grinding my chosen builds up and not really caring how I walked away from the matches.

[Rotaugen]

The thing that is annoying about Teamspeak is waiting for the team to get ready, having people drop out, etc. If it were integrated into the game (as it should be), then at least there is the option for EVERYONE to immediately have voice comms. Because I use TS and will pug frequently too, I see both sides of it. I really don't see why ingame VOIP isn't there. Pugs will still be at a disadvantage because teams can balance their mech loadouts, but it will be a lot better. On days that I have very limited time (which is a lot of the time), I will pug just to get games in and keep my skills up. Did 8 mans last night, and it took an hour to get two rounds in due to everyone customizing, trying to get that 8th person, etc. I am patiently awaiting the day we get into this century and have VOIP ingame, but it is frustrating in the short term.

[Sifright]

Monsoon, on 01 February 2013 - 06:00 AM, said:

Oh look another thread where somebody PUGs and just 'knows' when he gets stomped it's because the other team has a pre-made.

Yes I am in a premade constantly stomping pugs. it happens any one claiming otherwise is full of crap.

[Joseph Mallan]

siLve00, on 01 February 2013 - 06:01 AM, said:

you forgot the "flightsuite" since real mw pilots just use boxershorts in their cockpit ! YAY !

Real mechWarriors go Commando in their...
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commando
Yeah... I know!