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[Abstrusity]

Sifright, on 03 February 2013 - 01:52 AM, said:

tell me the people who pulled that off were they doing it every other match as long as the other team didn't have *insert op build*

if i don't fight against another srmcat I murder the entire other team.

literally the only thing that worries me is another srm cat in my A1 otherwise 1 on 1 I will kill every other mech in the game.

Even the stalker thanks to its hideous mobilty and lack of torso twist the A1 SRMcat will murder it

That is my experience with it, as well. 4, 5 kills, plenty of damage.
I didnt' get cockpitted once from Basic 0/8 to Elite 4/4, Lost an/both arms a total of 8 times. 8. Out of, say, 1200xp a match, 34k to 4/4..
30 matches? From skilled players, no doubt -- just skilled enough to blind side me after I kill the third player in one or two alphas.
Didn't even need endo or doubles.

[Sifright]

Abstrusity, on 03 February 2013 - 02:03 AM, said:

That is my experience with it, as well. 4, 5 kills, plenty of damage.
I didnt' get cockpitted once from Basic 0/8 to Elite 4/4, Lost an/both arms a total of 8 times. 8. Out of, say, 1200xp a match, 34k to 4/4..
30 matches? From skilled players, no doubt -- just skilled enough to blind side me after I kill the third player in one or two alphas.
Didn't even need endo or doubles.

had a match earlier where seven of the mechs were A1 SRM6 cats it was hilarious watching the swarm of cats on each team murdering the assaults in less than 20 seconds.

*for clarities sake 20 seconds once we made contact with the other team.*

Edited by Sifright, 03 February 2013 - 02:09 AM.

[Abstrusity]

Sifright, on 03 February 2013 - 02:08 AM, said:

had a match earlier where seven of the mechs were A1 SRM6 cats it was hilarious watching the swarm of cats on each team murdering the assaults in less than 20 seconds.

*for clarities sake 20 seconds once we made contact with the other team.*

I remember in one of the 8mans I ran, there was an entire team of AC/20 cats.
Except one. A centurion with TAG.
Boy did we get a nasty surprise when we put 2 and 2 together, expecting 4.
Instead, we got 280.

[Suki]

Sifright, on 03 February 2013 - 02:08 AM, said:

had a match earlier where seven of the mechs were A1 SRM6 cats it was hilarious watching the swarm of cats on each team murdering the assaults in less than 20 seconds.

*for clarities sake 20 seconds once we made contact with the other team.*

Had a match yesterday, where 4 LRM boats killed 6 mechs in 2 mins. The first Atlas was dead in 10 seconds, the range was 700m.
So what's OP after that, 150m Cata or 700m LRM?

Edited by Suki, 03 February 2013 - 05:59 AM.

[Fenix0742]

A1 cat has pretty big weaknesses guys, it's really only effective at 100m or less and it's only weapons are really easy to shoot off. I think it should get ECM so that heavy has an ECM mech for people who like heavies, and so it can support the team better.

[LaserAngel]

Suki, on 03 February 2013 - 05:59 AM, said:

Had a match yesterday, where 4 LRM boats killed 6 mechs in 2 mins. The first Atlas was dead in 10 seconds, the range was 700m.
So what's OP after that, 150m Cata or 700m LRM?

There must have been something very interesting for that Atlas given that it takes 7 seconds to get hit by those LRMs. Even worse if it was a D-DC.

What map was it on?

Edited by LaserAngel, 03 February 2013 - 07:23 AM.

[ConnorSinclair]

LaserAngel, on 03 February 2013 - 07:22 AM, said:

There must have been something very interesting for that Atlas given that it takes 7 seconds to get hit by those LRMs. Even worse if it was a D-DC.

What map was it on?

Before I got ECM LRMS were always a problem for me, I can tell of similar tales.

[Vassago Rain]

Fenix0742, on 03 February 2013 - 06:28 AM, said:

A1 cat has pretty big weaknesses guys, it's really only effective at 100m or less and it's only weapons are really easy to shoot off. I think it should get ECM so that heavy has an ECM mech for people who like heavies, and so it can support the team better.

I personally feel the twist is pretty poor. It could stand a slight increase.

[CDLord HHGD]

Running SRMs means the mech will have to be in brawling distance to be effective. Take it's ears off and watch the pilot do nothing but maybe a suicidal base rush the rest of the match.

[Noth]

cdlord, on 03 February 2013 - 07:29 AM, said:

Running SRMs means the mech will have to be in brawling distance to be effective. Take it's ears off and watch the pilot do nothing but maybe a suicidal base rush the rest of the match.

But that requires aiming and a little effort

[Dimento Graven]

Abstrusity, on 03 February 2013 - 01:09 AM, said:

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The cicada is moving around 18m/s faster than the catapult, and to get out of his range while both are at full throttle, he needs 5 seconds of straight running if they are both going the same vector heading. Even rounding it down to 4 seconds, that's enough for a full alpha, which will royally **** up any Cicada's day.

If that Cicada is not turning, bobbing, weaving, being a generally pain in the *** target then the Cicada pilot is making a mistake. It's not just its speed that is it's asset, it's also the manueverability. Running in a straight line in open field gets you dead in this game, regardless if it's an A1 shooting you, or a Stalker, or an Atlas, or a Hunchback, et al.

Again, it's a matter of 'skilled' piloting verses pointing your 'mech and expecting the enemy to line themselves up for your 'l33t skllz' head shots...

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Don't even get me started on AC/20 cats.

Good, because those ARE NOT A1's... THOSE ARE K2's.

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It's mathematically impossible to defeat in the open, its torso twist and relative mobility makes it even more dangerous in close quarters, the bigger engines it can take allow you to turn to deflect weapons from its cockpit.
The only way to defeat a catapult A1 with equal skill in both pilots is to have superb aim from afar, but then, assuming equal skill, you'd also have to ask the question: Would YOU even go out into the open where the enemy team is lrm boating or PPC/Gauss sniping?

Going out into the open if there are known LRMs or snipers is BAD piloting, UNLESS there's some over all strategy such as being the 'squirrel' and attempting to attract attention of the enemy to get them to turn their backs to your forces, or seperate some out to allow you to bring numerically superior forces on certain 'mechs. For the most part, it's bad piloting, so I'm not sure what your point is here.

[Sifright]

Vassago Rain, on 03 February 2013 - 07:25 AM, said:

I personally feel the twist is pretty poor. It could stand a slight increase.

I know what you mean man. If only the torso twist was about 20-30 degrees more it would be just about acceptable.

[Dimento Graven]

Sifright, on 03 February 2013 - 01:52 AM, said:

tell me the people who pulled that off were they doing it every other match as long as the other team didn't have *insert op build*

if i don't fight against another srmcat I murder the entire other team.

literally the only thing that worries me is another srm cat in my A1 otherwise 1 on 1 I will kill every other mech in the game.

Even the stalker thanks to its hideous mobilty and lack of torso twist the A1 SRMcat will murder it

If we meet on the battlefield, I'll eat your ears. Then you can tell me how OP you 'feel'...

Edited by Dimento Graven, 03 February 2013 - 07:43 AM.

[Sifright]

Dimento Graven, on 03 February 2013 - 07:42 AM, said:

If we meet on the battlefield, I'll eat your ears. Then you can tell me how OP you 'feel'...

If we meet on the battle field i will eat your entire team.

Then you can tell me that SRM6s boated on the A1 aren't op.

[Mordynak]

The stupidity in the OP is OP...

[Sifright]

by the way have four more screen shots.



Gee this sure isn't common.










but yea no. ANY MECH COULD DO THIS OBVIOUSLY.

Mordynak, on 03 February 2013 - 07:45 AM, said:

The stupidity in the OP is OP...

well sure if you have no idea what you are talking about, but outside of cuckoo land

here in reality most of us know the A1 is way overpowered for a variety of reasons!

Edited by Sifright, 03 February 2013 - 07:51 AM.

[Dimento Graven]

Sifright, on 03 February 2013 - 07:44 AM, said:

If we meet on the battle field i will eat your entire team.

Then you can tell me that SRM6s boated on the A1 aren't op.

Considering how many I've killed, they aren't OP.

If you happen to get the drop on me, sure, I die, but you ain't OP, either I wasn't paying attention, or you happened to just get lucky.

Depending the 'mech I'm driving I'll either stay out of your effective range and kill you, or, I'll stay behind your torso and kill you, I'll have you running through tight corners in buildings and watch you blow your own ears off from splash damage against buildings...

Unless you're doing something via '3rd party enhancements' to some how be invisible, or extend the effective range of SRM's, or provide you absolute knowledge of where each and every 'mech on the field is at all times, you've got more than enough known weaknesses even in spite of your speed, torso twist, and large alpha strike, to be taken down in short order.

[Wintersdark]

If you have problems with A1's, you're doing it wrong. Don't engage at close range. If he's all 6's and no artemis, you can get up to around 200m without too much worry (still hits hard, but it's very spread out), but otherwise just engage from 270+ and lol.

The A1 is definitely a priority target, but even if you're rocking a slow mech, just be sure to clip an ear before getting too close.

[Suki]

LaserAngel, on 03 February 2013 - 07:22 AM, said:

There must have been something very interesting for that Atlas given that it takes 7 seconds to get hit by those LRMs. Even worse if it was a D-DC.

What map was it on?

Night City. We already hate this map. The last 5 days it was 80% of the fights, and ALWAYS from one side.
I don't even try to calculate how much damage can be done by one big alfa of 3 LRM Stalkers, 1 LRM Atlas, 1 LRM Cata.

[Sifright]

Yea I mean i keep forgetting the A-1 is the slowest mech in the game right?

Totally doesn't go like 86.4kph or anything. nope.