Balancing Ecm With Modules
#41
Posted 01 February 2013 - 02:22 PM
#42
Posted 01 February 2013 - 03:48 PM
Orzorn, on 01 February 2013 - 10:52 AM, said:
This, I actually like quite a bit. Since you have to keep the target tagged the WHOLE TIME you're acquiring your missile lock for your SSRMs, this fix actually does not increase the SSRM danger to the (often Light) ECM carrier itself. However, all of his big, slow friends inside that bubble are now vulnerable to both outside LRM strikes AND SSRM attacks.
The counter here is that your TAGing unit is with 180m; well within the firing range of every single weapon system that every single of his opponents inside that bubble are carrying.
Maybe I'm missing something, but it makes sense in my head.
#43
Posted 01 February 2013 - 09:39 PM
#44
Posted 02 February 2013 - 12:35 PM
#45
Posted 02 February 2013 - 03:45 PM
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Edited by StalaggtIKE, 02 February 2013 - 04:38 PM.
#46
Posted 02 February 2013 - 03:46 PM
Edited by DocBach, 02 February 2013 - 03:46 PM.
#47
Posted 02 February 2013 - 04:25 PM
Many of the mechs with ECM were also meant to do recon work. They are not doing so, having become Strike Boats or Cloaking Devices.
Many people have failed to note, that along with having the most missile slots, the "chosen" ECM mechs also have the most module slots. This forces them to choose between ECM capabilities, or having all the extra goodness modules provides.
I still favour opening ECM up to all mechs. PGI said it would be unbalancing, and then proceeded to place ECM on the mechs in their class that would be most unbalancing. Their "Counters" aren't readily available to some mechs without sacrifices of firepower (Centurion with TAG, -50% Energy Hardpoints, cannot carry a PPC).
The other thing I feel that needs to be looked at is the role of ECM in PUG, versus ECM in premades. One is a team based environment, the other is an improvise as you go environment. ECM's current system is designed for premades and seriously messes with PUGs.
#49
Posted 02 February 2013 - 05:37 PM
#50
Posted 02 February 2013 - 06:06 PM
#51
Posted 02 February 2013 - 07:06 PM
DocBach, on 02 February 2013 - 05:37 PM, said:
You're having better luck than me. I had posted some suggestions on ECM a while back and got bum rushed with ECM fanbois.
#53
Posted 02 February 2013 - 10:44 PM
Thorstine, on 01 February 2013 - 10:03 AM, said:
Wrong, I think the OP makes clear that ECM enjoys benefits that no other upgrade currently does. I.E. BAP had features stripped out of it that were replaced as modules. Hence as it was supposed to counter ECM to some extent so should ECM require Modules for many of it's benefits as well.
#54
Posted 03 February 2013 - 12:40 AM
#55
Posted 03 February 2013 - 12:55 AM
Caleb Lee, on 02 February 2013 - 10:44 PM, said:
Wrong, I think the OP makes clear that ECM enjoys benefits that no other upgrade currently does. I.E. BAP had features stripped out of it that were replaced as modules. Hence as it was supposed to counter ECM to some extent so should ECM require Modules for many of it's benefits as well.
Well, Beagle really wasn't meant to counter ECM, in fact it's almost completely the other way around. But most of the features it should have (with the exception of the best one, which is radar that "saw" through obstructions like terrain and buildings) given to modules.
Narc seems to have had some of its function given to modules as well - protection from target decay is a real time way to simulate the rule Narc has where it can allow a 'Mech to fire at a target indirectly without line of sight or a spotter if the target has been marked with a beacon.
All of these other electronic warfare components are split into modules that don't even require the system they were taken from to equip, but ECM has everything it should and more. It just seems like a weird decision that ECM not only has all it had in the basic rules, plus everything it has from the advanced rules, plus functions that seem to be inspired by the fluff from sarna.net.
Edited by DocBach, 03 February 2013 - 01:07 AM.
#56
Posted 03 February 2013 - 09:26 AM
But when I do, it is to bump a great thread.
Stay classy my friends.
#57
Posted 03 February 2013 - 12:27 PM
#58
Posted 03 February 2013 - 01:15 PM
#59
Posted 03 February 2013 - 03:05 PM
#60
Posted 03 February 2013 - 03:21 PM
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