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[Kunae]

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Everyone needs to get off of this bigotry and hate against people who choose to play with their friends. Learn to play better, and organize your side. Your jealously only breeds hatred and resentment. And those emotions lead people to do foolish and stupid things, as has been evidenced in this thread, and so many others before it.

Edited by miSs, 04 February 2013 - 11:52 AM.

[Vlad Ward]

Yokaiko, on 04 February 2013 - 09:46 AM, said:

Yeah try it, announce you are a four man and watch people drop.

^

Very easy experiment. You don't even need to be in a 4-man. Just announce that you are at the beginning of a match and see what happens to the other team.

[w0rm]

Greyfyl, on 04 February 2013 - 09:46 AM, said:

Wow! Can we see some numbers on this? I'm sure you have proof right?

It works sometimes, just try it out for yourself.

[Jacmac]

Ilwrath, on 04 February 2013 - 06:52 AM, said:

This is a free to pay game. They need a population to keep the big spenders happy because the big spenders need target practise.

There is still naive pub players out there that has not understood just how rigged the matchmaker is. If these players could see it for themselves they may stop playing. At least until a real matchmaker is in place.

I agree with you for the most part, however, it must be pointed out that PGI has allowed the situation to happen. I don't believe PGI intended to 'rig' the matchmaking system, they were more likely simply ignorant of how it would be used. I believe you are correct about some players quitting the match or even the game if they could see the premades though.

Edited by Jacmac, 04 February 2013 - 09:50 AM.

[Yokaiko]

Erata, on 04 February 2013 - 09:48 AM, said:

I see a lot of sore losers disconnect before getting killed.
No Chonour.

Kameez, indeed.

[Taizan]

I've been pugstomped regularly for 200-300 matches from when I joined OB until MM1 came out. It still occurs, not that excessive anymore but often enough. This is also where the whole wariness vs. an all founder tag team came in.

Until the day where we can actually know for 100% that it's not been a pugstomp, I will simply assume it has been one, just because of the jarring experience with CB-all-founder-8-mans rolling over all the new players.

Listing it in the end screen will suffice for me. Maybe then I'll revise my opinon on pugstomps.

[Joseph Mallan]

Greyfyl, on 04 February 2013 - 09:46 AM, said:

Wow! Can we see some numbers on this? I'm sure you have proof right?

Just simple assumptions on my part sir. You know how us Premades all love our Win/loss records and how PUGgers are afraid of Premades!
This post is filled with sarcasm after the original sentence.

[Davion5150]

Bguk, on 04 February 2013 - 08:20 AM, said:

2 Snippets from the last Ask the Devs:

8. To see what 'mechs everyone was piloting on the post-game scoreboard? Soon

Q: When are we going to have teammates that are grouped together be a different color in game?
A: When we bring in the ability to join a lance. No ETA yet.

At the very least that tells me they have already thought of showing premades within the game screen. How it gets implemented no details are given.

I don't think that will help at all. I think the dev is talking about the future 12 vs 12. Each team will have 3 lances. He could be saying that each lance would be a different color. But that doesn't necessarily mean that a lance would consist entirely of pre-mades or PUGs. Example, one team has a 12 man pre-made. So each of the 3 lances, which would have a different color, is a true pre-made. MM could put 12 PUGs on the other team. So even though they would also have 3 lances, each a different color, none of them would be pre-mades. If that is what is coming in the future, that does not help at all with the topic of this thread.

[RussianWolf]

Joseph Mallan, on 04 February 2013 - 09:34 AM, said:

So the farmers will be less likely to Alt+F4.

Which farmers? The ones that drop and do nothing? The ones that drop and rush to suicide? My take is the farmers didn't care if they won or lost to begin with.

And as has been discussed, a pre-made being there doesn't mean its a good pre-made.

Was on a week or so ago, had a pre-made announce itself with full recruiting pitch. Their PUG lost 8-1.

Erata, on 04 February 2013 - 09:39 AM, said:

The devs want to, down the line, implement a Solaris style free for all for people that just can't play nice with with their fellow robot jock.
Just don't complain when people start teaming up in the arena. It's lore-friendly that they're cheating.

Solaris is a year or more away unfortunately. As per the answers in Dev 30.

Pairing up on solaris was not uncommon. but in the end "there can be only one".

[Bguk]

Davion5150, on 04 February 2013 - 09:52 AM, said:

I don't think that will help at all. I think the dev is talking about the future 12 vs 12. Each team will have 3 lances. He could be saying that each lance would be a different color. But that doesn't necessarily mean that a lance would consist entirely of pre-mades or PUGs. Example, one team has a 12 man pre-made. So each of the 3 lances, which would have a different color, is a true pre-made. MM could put 12 PUGs on the other team. So even though they would also have 3 lances, each a different color, none of them would be pre-mades. If that is what is coming in the future, that does not help at all with the topic of this thread.

I posted it to show they are at least thinking about it. It could be interpreted multiple ways so it very well could be as you stated. Thought of that earlier as well.

[Davion5150]

Kunae, on 04 February 2013 - 09:48 AM, said:

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Everyone needs to get off of this bigotry and hate against people who choose to play with their friends. Learn to play better, and organize your side. Your jealously only breeds hatred and resentment. And those emotions lead people to do foolish and stupid things, as has been evidenced in this thread, and so many others before it.

Wow. Comparing marking pre-mades to the Holocaust? Someone needs a new perspective.

[RussianWolf]

Yokaiko, on 04 February 2013 - 09:46 AM, said:

Yeah try it, announce you are a four man and watch people drop.

If you are right, then isn't that saying something that needs to be addressed.

[Bguk]

Ilwrath, on 04 February 2013 - 09:58 AM, said:

The premades - the new Jews.

The pubs - the new Nationalsozialismus

Yeah you are onto something here. You must be one of the people that are always premading. Also from the US or Canada.

Would you quit it with the whole US/Canada thing. It really makes you look like an ***.

[Joseph Mallan]

Yeah I need to fix that. I know what I mean to say but couldn't think of the correct term. And as it has been confirmed by Me I'm not an elite Premade player either. Yeah I've also seen the Goons go down the same way.

I said I'd like to see Designation on the end screen cause I don't want to have the info until I have done. I want to treat every match the same way. My martial art class has a motto quoted from Bruce Lee, "For every mountain there is a higher. For every fist there is a faster." Somebody is always going to be able to beat you, no matter how good you think you are.

[Yokaiko]

RussianWolf, on 04 February 2013 - 10:01 AM, said:

If you are right, then isn't that saying something that needs to be addressed.

What I think would be considered offensive.

[Joseph Mallan]

RussianWolf, on 04 February 2013 - 10:01 AM, said:

If you are right, then isn't that saying something that needs to be addressed.

It depends on how you intend to address it. Quitting cause you think you are facing a "superior" enemy, is as much a problem as AFK farmers.

[MechWarrior849305]

To the OP: just play to pretend, that opposing team ALWAYS has pre-made group. Then you will be happy if it's not in the end of battle, nor you lose something if you were beaten, since you were prepared.

[Livebait]

I'm 100% on board with clan tags visible in game. You can tell right away who to follow if your PUGing. Maybe the crying will be reduced. Maybe.

[Elandyll]

zraven7, on 04 February 2013 - 08:52 AM, said:

First of all, Respect? Try exasperation.

I just asked for a "minimum" of respect. Call it being civil if you will.

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The "Team Play" vs "I wanna be ALONE" argument has been going on since game inception now, and all "respect" has gotten is people jumping up and down on the launch button screaming "it says I can go it alone, so that;s a great idea, nerf teams more!!!" Were this logic applied to anything else in the competitive world, a basketball team would be forced to grab half of it's team from the audience. It makes no sense.

You forget the part where the game, as it is -NEEDS- people to go at it solo. Then, you also do not count people who besides prefering being solo, some can't HELP being solo for various reasons (be it time constraints, baby to take care of, etc.)

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Look, if someone is new to the game and doing solo runs til they get down controls, fine. If they don't know how to find Teamspeak or Vent channels with people to game with, fine. However, once they realize there are plenty of people who just want people to game and talk with, REGARDLESS OF SKILL LEVEL (check the link in my sig if you don't believe me), and still go alone, then gripe about getting shot to boogers by an organized team, that is entirely THEIR FAULT. They have every option available to them to play the TEAM GAME as intended, and they still ignore it.

You still do not adress the fact that the game -NEEDS- solo players to fill in blanks, and currently the game -still- does not offer any way for a Pug to mix in with a premade because there is -NO- in game VOIP solution.

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I'm not saying that solo launch should be removed, Some people do it all the time, and enjoy it. They, however, aren't on here complaining about it.

It doesn't mean they like being canon fodder or being steamrolled constantly.

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If you solo drop, the game is going to be harder, and you will die more. If you choose to continue this, you deal with it.

So, admitedly, you are saying that solo players (whom the game needs to function correctly) are suposed to take it in the rear, and should just be happy about it?

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Also, if the solution you want is for premades to be nerfed more, thus reducing team play, I frankly don't want you on my team. You, by your own admission, are not a team player, and therefore are a detriment to any team.

Way to put words that I have never said in my mouth.
1) I don't want to play with you either, you are the very essence of all that is wrong in arrogant "I'm better" premade mentality
2) I have never said I'm not a team player. Actually I am now part of a Clan and have played quite a few premade games this week end.
3) Where did I say I want premades nerfed? All I advocate is for a level playing field. If the game says there's a 4 man limit on drops (it does), then it should enforce its own rules (it doesn't by allowing sync drops).
I also advocate for matchmaking a premade vs a premade systematically. Are you scared of semi-balanced play?
Is that it? You want to fight mostly vs Pugs?

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I'm tired of people soft-pawing around this subject. I LOVE new players coming to the game, and will do anything I can to help get them acclimated, including TELLING THEM IT IS A TEAM GAME AND SHOWING THEM THE MANY, MANY, MANY GROUP GAMEPLAY OPTIONS AVAILABLE TO THEM.

And still the game is built around needing solo drops to fill in blanks.
You know... Pugs.

Get off your high horse, realize that not everybody is going to be in a pre-made team for various reasons (personal preferences or RL constraints) and that the game NEEDS solo (pug) drops, and then try to be part of a solution rather than the ongoing problem of these kind of premades (fortunately not the ones I've played with this weeek end) that want to pugstomp and be arrogant about it when Pugs ask for more balance.

Edited by Elandyll, 04 February 2013 - 10:13 AM.

[Yokaiko]

The intergrated voice is going to be c3 so get over the whole untamed voice idea.