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[Karl Marlow]

Greyfyl, on 07 February 2013 - 09:22 AM, said:

Yes!!!! Thank you for this wonderfully easy solution. Now if I can just get the 7 other new players on my team to come and read this everything will have worked out fine.

Well, Exacttly what are you going to do if premades are tagged? When you see 2 premades on the other team, what then? How does it change things? If you see the othe team doesn't ahve premades are you going to slack off? What?

As to the idea of a team tag I'm rather neutral on it. They were in WoT. I don't really care. Hell some of the guys in my unit advertise for House-marik.net at the start of every game. WE don't exactly keep it secret. I just don't see how it is relevant to the game weather you know you are fighting against or with premades. It's trivia at best.

Edited by ThomasMarik, 07 February 2013 - 05:54 PM.

[Zero Neutral]

If you click launch solo, and you lose, then just accept it. You had the choice to download teamseak and join one of many free servers that are home to MWO players, or join a corps.

[RussianWolf]

Pihb, on 07 February 2013 - 03:30 PM, said:

For alot of people that will translate into "stop playing". You want alot of people to play the game. More people = more mechs, more maps, faster development and so on.

So instead you run off all the new players. good strategy for the longevity of the game.

Hoping MM3 works to alleviate this. But for some I think they simply find another work around like setting up new accounts (saw that many times in other F2P games).

[Thirdstar]

Zero Neutral, on 07 February 2013 - 06:21 PM, said:

If you click launch solo, and you lose, then just accept it. You had the choice to download teamseak and join one of many free servers that are home to MWO players, or join a corps.

How about no? Does no work for you, you arrogant asshat?

Why would I possibly want to join a corp that has people like you in it?

Edited by Thirdstar, 07 February 2013 - 08:42 PM.

[Wired]

Why would you join a game that promotes teamwork and be violently vocal towards anyone who plays as a team.

[Thirdstar]

Wired, on 07 February 2013 - 08:44 PM, said:

.......... be violently vocal towards anyone who plays as a team.

Get another strawman. This one's pretty used up.

[CrashieJ]

it would be hilarious if we get to have user-made emblems

Team 1
Red horse clan - PWNIE
Red horse clan - SPARKLE
Red horse clan - Belle
Red horse clan - Hoovie

Red horse clan - Mane
Red horse clan - ASSet
Red horse clan - H00f
Red horse clan - mr. mare

Team 2
Red horse clan - HeavyweaponsPal
Red horse clan - hairymarey
Red horse clan - RainbowDouche121
Red horse clan - TwilightSpackle

Black Hawk Corporation - Talon
Black Hawk Corporation - Wing
Black Hawk Corporation - SQWAAAAK

Pug Wrangler Inc. - CannonFather
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CannonFather: "oh **** me. "

[Pihb]

Zero Neutral, on 07 February 2013 - 06:21 PM, said:

If you click launch solo, and you lose, then just accept it. You had the choice to download teamseak and join one of many free servers that are home to MWO players, or join a corps.

If you want to support your flawed logic, you have to do much much better than this. You assume that everyone should play the game like you have chosen to. There is a large portion of people who don't want to commit to other people just to blow up things. This portion of people do not want anything to do with joining anything. These people just want to blow **** up for an hour or two. This large portion of people don't want to win every time either, they just want to have fun.

If you show how many people in the opposing team are grouped, it will show one of two things. What i think it will show is alot of pugs stomping pugs. But it could also show alot of pre mades stomping pugs. Whats wrong with knowing if there is a problem or not. If you do it this way, its right in your face saying either "you suck" or "you suck and you just got pugstomped".

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

hammerreborn, on 06 February 2013 - 07:39 AM, said:

Because I know with all the vitrol premades get on the forums already we are just looking forward to getting it in game as well.

because the after match results allow you to talk so much vitriol in game right?
oh wait it doesnt even allow you to talk at all (or i cant see chat during the end round screen maybe its a bug on my part?)

Edited by Mechwarrior Buddah, 07 February 2013 - 09:08 PM.

[chiXnhawk]

O M G C L A N T A G S !!!!!

[Valore]

Its not that hard to tell. Quite a few matches you'll see 8 founders on one side, and none on the other. You know its going to be a good game for sure then

[Greyfyl]

Zero Neutral, on 07 February 2013 - 06:21 PM, said:

If you click launch solo, and you lose, then just accept it. You had the choice to download teamseak and join one of many free servers that are home to MWO players, or join a corps.

Good response, I've never heard that one before.

[KuruptU4Fun]

If you want the people who were in a team then I think I should have a direct link to support for the asshaats who disconnected or couldn't stop cussing so I can report them easier.

[Hellen Wheels]

hammerreborn, on 06 February 2013 - 11:03 AM, said:

I want to see how many absolutely awful people are in the game. And then I want to compare them to this thread.

<raises hand> I am absolutely awful at this game. I drop solo exclusively, do not use TS, but will use in-game text chat and the command map if the team is amenable. And I love playing the game, win or lose, stomp or not. I will play the game as long as it lasts (or as long as I last, which at this point just might be a close race.)

My purely unscientific observations, made and mulled over since closed beta, include the following:

1) the older the player, the more likely you will find someone who adheres to the adage, "It isn't whether you win or lose; it's how you play the game."

2) the younger the player, the more likely you will find someone who equates "fun" with winning, at any cost.

3) The times that I am able to spot a pre-made "dropping together" group, they all fly Lone Wolf colors and don't announce their pre-made status. You aren't Lone Wolves. You are merc groups. (I am ashamed to say that I have seen some former comrades-in-arms who are not flying their group colors. Perhaps I am old-fashioned, but the laws of warfare, last I recall, call for flying your true colors. Maybe that isn't canonical in the BT universe, I don't know. My vague recollection is that, at least to a Clanner, that would be Freebirth cowardice.)

4) I suspect that the divisiveness between PUGs and Pre-mades lies mainly along the lines of two different generations of gamers: the older generation lives by the code of conduct we followed in NetMech and its associated leagues--everyone helping everyone out to make the game as fun as we could make it, while at the same time engaging in friendly, honorable combat, fought with integrity and fairness. The younger generation seems to have lost that sense of community, and, as I stated before, seems hell bent on either (a) winning at all costs, no matter the damage to the community, and / or ( actively attempting to fracture the community in some sort of sadistic attempt at meta-team killing, or community killing, if you will.

And that is my 1000 C-Bills worth. Not sure how that compares to the rest of this thread, but there you are.

cheers!
=H=

[SuomiWarder]

I like to think about why my side won or lost any given match. Knowing how many groups of what size dropped in the match would be part of the puzzle. I would like to see my teams "pre-mades" as well. Did I go solo and lose when working with a group of 4 and a group pf 2 and one other PUG? Did my side have three teams of two and the other side one team of 4 and four PUGS?

Knowing what happened will not change composition of the group. That will only change if the matchmaking system is coded to segregate all solo pugs into their own matches or whatever is decided to be coded. Seeing the facts post match will not change people's opinions about how groups of 4 affect the overall MWO game experience.

I play grouped with my unit mates, as a solo pugger and sometimes grouped with allied units we have a relationship with. The time of day I log on to play (which affects the pool of opponents on line) seems to have more effect on how "difficult" the battles are than if I am alone or with a group. East coast USA time after work ends (6 to 9 local) seems to be the 'worst' time to go online as the overall stiffest competition is on line by pure numbers.

But none of my experiences or observations change the premise that I believe it would be handy to know the pre-grouped compisition of each team after a match. I've got nothing to hide when I was in a 4 man group.

[Kurshuk]

I premade, I pug.

I pug about 80-90% of games because my scheduled just doesn't have huge blocks o time I can play for. So I understand and agree that 4 people with voice comms is enough to turn the battle.

As I premade we have the ability to communicate while continuing to move, torso twist, fire, override shutdowns, change throttle settings, jump jet, etc. It's easy to communicate quickly via voice becuase we're used to using voice for communication.

This is where I get upset when people say that having voice chat conveys no advantage. Yes it does. But why? It's a balance between speed, being battle effective and having all the other non-specific communication of spoken language. Written language suffers from lossyness. Lossyness is characterized by the amount of data that is lost changing format. When you type there is nothing in there to convey tone of voice or urgency. Chat is also easily missed during battles because of the inherent nature of conflict.

So if you honestly believe that voice chat doesn't convey an advantage of some kind you can move on, I won't convince you. If you're on the fence, take a tape recorder and shout commands into it. Then play it back, type and send it in a chat program as fast as you say it. I didn't think voice gave that much of an advantage until this exercise. What is easily distinguished as a frantic call for help from someone bordering death over voice just shows in chat as 'help e6'.

As for numbers for advantage, I lose about 40% of pug games. I usually do pretty heavy damage, any mech medium or above I've died as the last man on my team with over 600 damage on a loss. Most losses put me in the 500-1250 range on damage. Higher damage is mostly LRMS so it's a little misleading.

When I run premade we typically win around 75-80% of the time. Typically my damage ranges from 600-1400 depending on mech. That 1400 was a premade group where I ended up dying. Again, a misleading number coming from a CAT-A1 6SRM6. But the overall point is that I do better damage overall as a premade and win more.

I don't see this game as pugs vs premades. But I'd like to have this information displayed so when the game ends the players have more data to build their case for action in MWO, whatever that may be.

Kurshuk
Alexi.Kurshuk@gmail.com

[Sug]

Valore, on 07 February 2013 - 09:15 PM, said:

Its not that hard to tell. Quite a few matches you'll see 8 founders on one side, and none on the other. You know its going to be a good game for sure then

Or if they're all from the same faction.

Example:

[Screech]

Sug, on 08 February 2013 - 02:36 PM, said:

Or if they're all from the same faction.

Example:

2 D-DC and 2 3L in there, gotta love farmers.

Edited by Screech, 08 February 2013 - 02:40 PM.

[Sug]

Screech, on 08 February 2013 - 02:39 PM, said:

2 D-DC and 2 3L in there, gotta love farmers.

It was not a fun match.

[Ratpoison]

No.