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[Samaritan]

Hon. Mechwarriors;

Given the success of the ECM game mechanic I, like many of you, await with bated breath the developement of similar game mechanics for the rest of the weapons food groups.

1.5tons and two critical spaces should suffice for the following services.

A. Anti-laser aerosol chaff dispensors,

http://orbitalvector...termeasures.htm

B. Trophy anti-SRM pt. defense systems,

http://en.wikipedia....untermeasure%29

C. Tactical High Energy Laser artillary shell pt. defense

http://en.wikipedia....gh_Energy_Laser

D. PPC superconducting grounding rods

http://www.cbsnews.c...ghtning-weapon/

E. Active Pt. Defense Smart Armor

http://www.defense-u...ucts/f/fsap.htm

For 9 tons and 18 critical slots you too can be impervious to anything on the MWO battle field. Think of all the fun you will have as you turn and burn in a battlemech furball! Every single mechwarrior can expect to give and recieve from 0 to <100 pts of damage in each and every 15 minute slugfest marathon. No one need ever perish again! What's not to like?

I am, of course, being facetious. ECM never had any ability to stop LRMs cold in Battletech table top play. ECM served to jam advanced play electronic warfare items and did nothing to missile hit probabilities. As I have shown, there are systems and concepts that could be used to stop every BT weapons vector cold that are every bit as realistic as the ECM/Missile fiasco.

From a game mechanics stand point, ECM is STUPID! I have playtested LRM boats that consistantly produce 0 pts of damage for entire sessions. Every weapons system in BT MWO should have a role to play, but ECM is so strong, LRMs have been relegated to LULZ builds.

How many of you are looking forward to seeing an Atlas delegate 9 tons to ECM EVERYTHING? Are you really going to enjoy sitting behind that mech with 4 Medium Lasers blazing away for a total of 0 pts of dammage after 15 minutes of firing?

Remove ECM from the game now. Hell, make it an electronic version of Pt. Defense if you want, but remove it. It has no place in Battletech as it exists now.

Fix ECM and reintroduce it later with Phyisical Attacks, Community Warfare, collisions and the Graduated Heat Scale effects. Untill Community Warfare is introduced, this game can only be considered an Alpha release. 0.00 Founders ante'd up for the MWO kickstarter to play a Counter Strike Mechwarrior skin.

That being said I like the potential I see in MWO. When the game incorporates community warfare, I can definitely see myself playing this game quite a bit with my tatble top campaign buddies.

Respectfully

Samaritan

[JokerVictor]

Brony. Disregarding.

Also, use TAG like any sensible LRM user. And don't boat, LRM's are a situational weapon like any other. If you were too stupid not to take back up weapons, it's entirely YOUR fault you got 0 damage. LRM's are still incredibly dangerous as a support weapon, but don't kid yourself that it's all ECM's fault because you suck at using them.

Edited by JokerVictor, 07 February 2013 - 10:22 AM.

[hammerreborn]

Oh look it's this thread again.

ECM doesn't make you immune to LRMs. Just bad players with LRMs.

[BlackSquirrel]

Next time please add ninja B uttHurt @ ECM to the start of said post.

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[Samaritan]

Hon. Jokervector;

Thank you for responding to my post sir. TAG is indeed usefull as you suggest.




Boating in a light mech is frequently necessitated by the number and type of hard points available to the chassis. I am sure you do not mean to imply that the 4 laser toting Death's Knell, and the 3 Streak toting Commando are inheirantly crippled platforms on the account of thier boating nature. My little COM-LAR may be forgiven for taking 3 LRM5s and a TAG as you have suggested.

What skills I posses with MWO are predicated upon 2000+ engagements. If competency in this chosen hobby can not be obtained by this point, it is not likely to be had by the majority of it's adherants.

ECM has been a fiasco sir.

Thank you for your time and assistance in this matter.

Respectfully

Samaritan

[hammerreborn]

So ECM is OP and negates LRMs because you're running a POS mech like a commando with lrms? Is this really the argument you're making and expect to be taken seriously?

I mean you do realize with an LRM 5 and a 15 you can pretty much lose all your damage just from 1 or 2 AMS users as well, right?

Edited by hammerreborn, 07 February 2013 - 10:43 AM.

[Felicitatem Parco]

This thread is constructed in such a way that's it's non-constructive. I am going to toggle the main switch, lift the flap, and press.

[Samaritan]

Hon. Mechwarriors;

Here is a screen shot of a game I just played with the COM-LAR.



The new ranking protocals weight overall damage inflicted heavily. As you can see, my COM-2D faired quite poorly. The game seems to think that a firepower rating of 45 is a good one, but that is not reflected in the damage that may be prosecuted against the enemy.

ECM must be removed from the game as it is currently configured. I had enemy mechs in direct line of sight lit up by tag nearly the entire battle and this was the best I could do. These are the facts of the matter, mockery and insults notwithstanding. Is there anyone willing to refute the fact that a medium laser and 3 streaks would have achieved a better score?

Thank you for your time gentlemen.

Respectfully

Samaritan

[Samaritan]

Hon. Hammerreborn;

My COM-LAR mounts 25 LRMs in the form of a 15 pack and two 5 packs.

My Hay Stalker mounts five 15 pack LRMs, a TAG and 2300+ missiles. I have frequently dealt 0.00 dammage to the enemy with this assault mech. Is it your contention that assault mechs be so trvialized with in the MWO system?

Respectfully

Samaritan

[JokerVictor]

Yeah... a commando LRM boat. Stopped there. Strike 1.

Also, looks like this thread was an excuse to post ponies. Strike 2.

Your stalker is terribad. 0 damage in an assault is an utter failure to your team, way to build. A smart person would see 0 damage and say... gee, that sucked, I should probably makes some changes. Strike 3.

You're out. But by all means, continue to try to put that square peg in a round hole, I'll laugh as I slaughter you.

Edited by JokerVictor, 07 February 2013 - 12:01 PM.

[Samaritan]

Hon. Mechwarriors;

Here is a pic of a recent game played with my Hay Stalker. Five LRM 15s, a TAG, and four Medium Lasers produced this result.



ECM must be removed from the game. It never locked LRMs out of play on the table top and it should not be permitted to do so in MWO.

Respectfully

Samaritan

[Samaritan]

Hon. Jokervector;

I appreciate and concur with your analysis of the performance of LRM support platforms in MWO. I like and play battletech products. MWO is supposed to be a battletech product. I have there fore attempted to create over the top well armed LRM platforms in order to emphasise the absurdity of the ECM effect upon game play.

I did not come here to play MWO, I came here to enjoy battletech as a computer platform mech sim. That sim has fallen on it's face vis-a-vis ECM/LRM interactions. I am perfectly capable of seeking the devine mean of MWO build management and play style. I have no wish to do so because of the violence perpetrated upon my Battletech norms and standards.

I hope this explanation informs you opinion concerning my arguments posted.

Respectfully

Samaritan

Edited by Samaritan, 07 February 2013 - 12:15 PM.

[Vandal]

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Vandal, on 07 February 2013 - 12:37 PM, said:

Don't post.

FTFY

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Edited by crabcakes66, 07 February 2013 - 02:11 PM.

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Samaritan, on 07 February 2013 - 12:04 PM, said:

Wait a minute...

Are you running an XL engine in your Stalker? Because I can't express how bad an idea that is. That's hilarious, please learn to build a decent Mech before criticising game balance in the future. TIA