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[UraniumOverdose]

Sorry if I get 500 + damage and 3+ kills, and the rest of my team barely gets 100 damage or a kill. Then it's their fault not mine. ELO will hopefully fixed this so I don't get teamed up with people running trial mechs that haven't ever played a shooter before.

[Death Weasel]

I can't remember who said it, I think Gen. Patton.
The professionals I can deal with, it's the amateurs that scare me. You never know what they are going to do.

[MischiefSC]

UraniumOverdose, on 10 February 2013 - 09:30 AM, said:

Sorry if I get 500 + damage and 3+ kills, and the rest of my team barely gets 100 damage or a kill. Then it's their fault not mine. ELO will hopefully fixed this so I don't get teamed up with people running trial mechs that haven't ever played a shooter before.

Sometimes you're going to get teamed with newbies. Maybe you were exactly right and that was the best you could hope for. Maybe a better choice is taking the back seat and babysitting your newbies; if nothing else use them as meat shields, maybe your damage would have gone further?

Again, the fundamental concept is 'don't be a jackass in chat' along with 'play the team you're dealt'.

Elo will help but not completely fix this. Blaming your team only accomplishes one thing - it marks you to everyone on your team and the other as someone not to respect regardless of how much damage they did.

[Leimrey]

Yeah, no. I blame my team when I see assaults doing sub 200 damage per match or other mechs doing sub 100. I blame my team when everyone wanders off into different directions despite the fact that I spammed "follow the DDC Atlas, stay in his ECM bubble" in chat. I call my team bads when we lose a knife point range brawl when we have weight and firepower advantage. I call my team mouth breathing imbeciles when they rush over a ridge into a prepared firing line or refuse to rtb when we have a light at our base.

Edited by Leimrey, 10 February 2013 - 09:46 AM.

[Ghogiel]

MischiefSC, on 10 February 2013 - 09:38 AM, said:

it marks you to everyone on your team and the other as someone not to respect regardless of how much damage they did.

And you'll forget about all those bad players the instant you exit the match and not a single **** was given.

[Bishop Steiner]

MischiefSC, on 10 February 2013 - 08:38 AM, said:

I see this a lot and it irks me.

A team is just a group of players. Skill level varies in pug matches but you need to adapt to that. If you're only a 'good player' when you happen to be on a team of good players, the problem is you.

If you have a good team make sure you're part of the plan and not something they have to work around.

If your team doesn't seem to communicate much then you need to keep chat moving and make sure people know there is a plan and what it is.

If your team doesn't seem to follow plans or is all new, pick the largest group of them you can and support them - stop trying to lead if nobody is following. Follow the largest noob cluster and try to keep them alive. Keep lights off their backs and shoot the guy flanking you in the face.

Stop trying to chase kills. Blow both the arms off that Dragon and all the armor off his torso and watch him run around a hill into your team? Let him go. They'll finish him. Turn back towards the atlas heading your way and keep him busy while your noobsquad learns how to kill their prey.

If your team sucks it's because you suck. It's YOUR TEAM. You dropped with them. If they fail you have as much blame to take as the guy who charged off alone. Use that guys suicide as a distraction, take advantage of it. Enemy went down the river and one Atlas on your team did too? Fine, rush the road with as many as you can while they feast on Rambos corpse. The boat is a crappy position when you're flanked.

If your team failed then it did so in part because you failed the team. Accept that, learn from it, move on. Being a jackass in chat only points out to everyone that you are, indeed, a jackass.

Really, and when one takes the DC , posts waypoints, gives ideas and tries to herd the cats, and they STILL insist on running in 7 different directions, usually with comments like "I don't take orders from you bro", Who is at fault?

Sometimes you are the problem, sometimes it's the "team" that has no clue what a team is.

[Wolf Clearwater]

directed @ no one in particular:
This game has a very steep learning curve. Many noobs like to play their favorite mech from TT, or something that was recommended by a friend. You are going to end up with someone new sooner or later. Deal with it, someone put up with you at first after all.....

[De La Fresniere]

MischiefSC, on 10 February 2013 - 08:38 AM, said:

If your team sucks it's because you suck. It's YOUR TEAM.

If your team failed then it did so in part because you failed the team.

That's kind of an extreme opinion.

Let's say I drop with 7 random people. One guy runs into a wall and then complains his screen is entirely grey. One guy goes to feed the baby. One Light rushes the enemy team long, long before we're even halfway there and dies instantly. When the fighting starts, one guy gets confused and starts shooting at everything that moves. The three remaining dudes on my team manage to kill a 6-Flamer Awesome, repeatedly shooting me and each other in the process.

I kill five opponents, each of a higher tonnage than me, before I'm finally taken down.

I "suck", I "failed my team" and I'm "part of the problem", seriously?

I might me exaggerating very slightly (I remember one match where one guy did 35 damage, another did 20, and the five others did 0), but you get my point.

Sometimes you drop with terrible people and no matter how good you are, you can't carry them to victory.

[UraniumOverdose]

MischiefSC, on 10 February 2013 - 09:38 AM, said:

Sometimes you're going to get teamed with newbies. Maybe you were exactly right and that was the best you could hope for. Maybe a better choice is taking the back seat and babysitting your newbies; if nothing else use them as meat shields, maybe your damage would have gone further?

Again, the fundamental concept is 'don't be a jackass in chat' along with 'play the team you're dealt'.

Elo will help but not completely fix this. Blaming your team only accomplishes one thing - it marks you to everyone on your team and the other as someone not to respect regardless of how much damage they did.

Sorry but people are going to get mad when they tell the team of bads in chat to go to kappa and they all run epsilon, theta, or Oz. People are going to get mad when they spec the atlas on their team and see two medium lasers and one ac5. People are going to get mad when they see an LRM boat jizzing missiles point blank instead of using the backup lasers. People are going to get mad when they see their team mate pointing the arm reticle one way, the torso reticle the other way and firing lasers AROUND their target.

[Rift Hawk]

MischiefSC, on 10 February 2013 - 09:38 AM, said:

Sometimes you're going to get teamed with newbies. Maybe you were exactly right and that was the best you could hope for. Maybe a better choice is taking the back seat and babysitting your newbies; if nothing else use them as meat shields, maybe your damage would have gone further?

Again, the fundamental concept is 'don't be a jackass in chat' along with 'play the team you're dealt'.

Elo will help but not completely fix this. Blaming your team only accomplishes one thing - it marks you to everyone on your team and the other as someone not to respect regardless of how much damage they did.

I'm here to play a game and try to have fun. Not to gain the respect of people I don't know, nor care about in the least bit. If my team is playing like ****, I'm going to let them know it. If someone labels me as an *******, well....I am not going to lose any sleep over it. I don't support e-raging in chat but I have no problem telling my team they're playing like trash. People don't know they suck unless you tell them they suck. Biggest problem is that most people don't care. They have no patience for people trying to tell them what not to do. If your in an Atlas, you don't run off alone and leave your whole team with no ECM. If your a boating **** with 6 PPCs you don't run off alone and leave yourself undefended. Yet time after time of telling people nicely to reconsider their play gets met with "I'll do what I want s tfu. So in return they get "Your a trash player g tfo.

Edited by Imperial X, 10 February 2013 - 10:00 AM.

[Deamhan]

I particularly like when someone drops in, spouts off some plan (which is horrible or simply "stick together" which is what someone says when they haven't a clue about tactics) then runs off to face the enemy in a mech that is faster than more than half team and dies. Then says in chat that their team sucks and dc's. Lol.

The thing is, a good team doesn't even need to have all good players, although it certainly helps. I had my game crash on me so my mech continued to run over the ridge in Snow City. Oddly enough it made it out of bounds with the enemy trying to kill it. My clan mates enaged the enemy team while their back was turned and the 4 or pugs on our team followed them over.

[MischiefSC]

So, a lot of excuses and reductio ad absurdum arguments. Amazing how many people are trying to justify being a twit in chat and trying to blame other people. Games where everyone on your team has absolutely no clue and just walks into walls or tries to shoot themselves in the head are less than 1 in 10 games. If you're finding it's more than 1 in 10.... well, read the original post. There are plenty of pugs who manage a 45-50% win rate or better. Why do you think that is? Just lucky? Magic internet connection that only drops them with good teams? PGI has someone locked in a basement who carefully hand-matches them only with the right people?

Getting mad /= acting like a jackass. There is no good excuse. If you're acting like a jackass, you're the problem. Some people are going to make poor choices

Not every team is going to follow orders. Good or bad. If nobody is following you, quit trying to lead.

The point is that you're not going to carry everyone to victory regardless of your team, good or bad.

Play the team your dealt. Quit trying to change them. Lead if you can and they will follow. Follow if not. Someone runs off on a suicide rush, take the people who will follow you and flank while they're distracted by Suicidal Sam.

Whatever you do, realize that being a jerk in chat does one and only one thing -

Make you look like a jerk and someone who can pretty much be ignored, regardless of what your score was. If you think people won't remember your name and then just ignore your comments in chat next time they see you, good advice or bad, you're mistaken.

Don't be 'that guy'.

[Ghogiel]

"Wait"

"dont peek!"

<badguy has killed noob on your team>

"..Unless you want to face down an SRM STK"

[Rift Hawk]

Deamhan, on 10 February 2013 - 10:03 AM, said:

I particularly like when someone drops in, spouts off some plan (which is horrible or simply "stick together" which is what someone says when they haven't a clue about tactics) then runs off to face the enemy in a mech that is faster than more than half team and dies. Then says in chat that their team sucks and dc's. Lol.

The thing is, a good team doesn't even need to have all good players, although it certainly helps. I had my game crash on me so my mech continued to run over the ridge in Snow City. Oddly enough it made it out of bounds with the enemy trying to kill it. My clan mates enaged the enemy team while their back was turned and the 4 or pugs on our team followed them over.

You are correct sir. You do not need a team full of good players. Just a team full of players with common sense. Apparently, that latter is lacking in this community.

Edited by Imperial X, 10 February 2013 - 10:08 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

Sug, on 10 February 2013 - 09:13 AM, said:

Last one to die, got 2 kills, we lose 2 to 8. Yep. My fault.

You were showboating

[Ghogiel]

MischiefSC, on 10 February 2013 - 10:05 AM, said:

reductio ad absurdum arguments.

You say that as if that is a technique that relies on faulty logical reasoning. :\

[Rift Hawk]

MischiefSC, on 10 February 2013 - 10:05 AM, said:

So, a lot of excuses and reductio ad absurdum arguments. Amazing how many people are trying to justify being a twit in chat and trying to blame other people. Games where everyone on your team has absolutely no clue and just walks into walls or tries to shoot themselves in the head are less than 1 in 10 games. If you're finding it's more than 1 in 10.... well, read the original post. There are plenty of pugs who manage a 45-50% win rate or better. Why do you think that is? Just lucky? Magic internet connection that only drops them with good teams? PGI has someone locked in a basement who carefully hand-matches them only with the right people?

Getting mad /= acting like a jackass. There is no good excuse. If you're acting like a jackass, you're the problem. Some people are going to make poor choices

Not every team is going to follow orders. Good or bad. If nobody is following you, quit trying to lead.

The point is that you're not going to carry everyone to victory regardless of your team, good or bad.

Play the team your dealt. Quit trying to change them. Lead if you can and they will follow. Follow if not. Someone runs off on a suicide rush, take the people who will follow you and flank while they're distracted by Suicidal Sam.

Whatever you do, realize that being a jerk in chat does one and only one thing -

Make you look like a jerk and someone who can pretty much be ignored, regardless of what your score was. If you think people won't remember your name and then just ignore your comments in chat next time they see you, good advice or bad, you're mistaken.

Don't be 'that guy'.

Play the team your dealt.....

I just tried that 4 times in a row. To a horrible turnout of 4 loses. 3 of the 4 battles saw our lights swarming an atlas while our base was being captured and they were the only ones fast enough to get back to base. The rest of us heading there didn't even come close to making in back in time. I must suck though. Its all my fault.

[MischiefSC]

Imperial X, on 10 February 2013 - 10:11 AM, said:

Play the team your dealt.....

I just tried that 4 times in a row. To a horrible turnout of 4 loses. 3 of the 4 battles saw our lights swarming an atlas while our base was being captured and they were the only ones fast enough to get back to base. The rest of us heading there didn't even come close to making in back in time. I must suck though. Its all my fault.

Never seen you play. Sometimes people make bad choices - you're going to lose sometimes. Probably half the time, especially after Elo comes in. If you say 'lights, run back to base so we don't lose to cap' and they don't....

Well, is acting like a jackass going to make them say 'wow, I lost the game because I didn't go back' or is it going to make him say 'wow, that guy is a jackass'?

Also not sure 4 games is a brilliant sample size. I would say that playing this way has bumped me up a smidge over 50% win/loss over the last 60 games. I was around 45-50%. I'm slowly but steadily climbing to 50% win/loss at this point. My anecdotal evidence however is no better or worse than anyone elses in terms of what 'works' or doesn't 'work'.

It's not about winning more though. It's about being a better member of the game community and telling other members of the community who hate seeing someone act like a jackass that they're not alone in eyerolling when they see it.

Do what you want. If acting like a jackass in chat is important to someone, if it makes them feel better, well not like a forum post is going to stop them.

There's a big difference between being who a conversation is directed to and being what a conversation is about.

[Taemien]

UraniumOverdose, on 10 February 2013 - 09:30 AM, said:

Sorry if I get 500 + damage and 3+ kills, and the rest of my team barely gets 100 damage or a kill. Then it's their fault not mine. ELO will hopefully fixed this so I don't get teamed up with people running trial mechs that haven't ever played a shooter before.

If you lost, you were still outplayed.

Why? Because the other guy chose a better team. Choosing one's teammates is just as important as choosing the right weapons. Hitting launch as solo is akin to having the system chose a random weapon selection for you instead of you customizing your mech yourself.

[Grisolm Redd]

Vat vee have here is vat I call "Anger Dis-place-ment".

You vill see the sub-ject "dis-place" his anger onto anyvone near-by inorder to devlect ze blame from himzelf.

Please..zitt in ze chair. Vee vill start vit your childhood...