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[Viper69]

Ngamok, on 12 February 2013 - 08:14 AM, said:

Because if I am above a target, I can bring the arms down and hit you from above and you won't know where that shot came from at first.

Edit, the Stalkers and Catapults DO have arms, they only have up / down motion. So If I am in an A1 or C4 and want to hit you from above a hill, I juts put my arms on your head. I just don't have left to right motion without twisting my torso.

I never said they had no arms ffs. They are only arms in name only anyway that do only allow for up and down movement. I am contending that both mechs are equally lacking in the arm movement caregory yet one is limited in its torso twisting range.

So please if you are going to quote me at least get the context right.

[Josef Nader]

*Cough*

Nobody complains about Stalker SRM boats 'cause you can take two steps to the left and be completely safe.

[QuantumButler]

Stalkers are also balanced by the fact that they are slow and ponderous as hell, with tiny torso twists, the exact opposite of the SRMcat who sacrifices absolutely nothing to have both SRM bukkake AND being the most agile heavy mech worth a damn in the whole game [sorry Dragon, you're a piece of ****.]

[PeekaBoo I C Ju]

you use a similar build that i use on my awesome 8r

[El Bandito]

QuantumButler, on 12 February 2013 - 08:36 AM, said:

Stalkers are also balanced by the fact that they are slow and ponderous as hell, with tiny torso twists

STK-3F disagrees.

Anyway, second video is up. Enjoy.

Peekaboo I C JU, on 12 February 2013 - 08:37 AM, said:

you use a similar build that i use on my awesome 8r

Cool, what is your build?

Edited by El Bandito, 12 February 2013 - 08:41 AM.

[Josef Nader]

The Stalker 3F still has the narrowest* torso arc in the game. The Atlas without any pilot lab upgrades is technically smaller, but Atlai qualify for Twist X, meaning the Atlas has 88 degrees of torso twist, maxed out, whereas the 3F still has a measly 85 degrees.

*Second narrowest. Can't forget the other Stalkers.

Edited by Josef Nader, 12 February 2013 - 08:46 AM.

[Ngamok]

Viper69, on 12 February 2013 - 08:28 AM, said:

I never said they had no arms ffs. They are only arms in name only anyway that do only allow for up and down movement. I am contending that both mechs are equally lacking in the arm movement caregory yet one is limited in its torso twisting range.

So please if you are going to quote me at least get the context right.

Even if I can go up and down, it's arm movement enough. Exaxt same as Raven, Jenner, Cicada. If I can hit any target above or below me, it's enough arm movement. I know what you mean, you think Hunchback like arms that can shoot at anything at any angle. But I've stood at the D7 hill on Forest Colony plenty of times in my C4 that I can shoot SRMs down on the enemy standing right under me where I can point my torso enough to hit them with the lasers.

[El Bandito]

Josef Nader, on 12 February 2013 - 08:44 AM, said:

The Stalker 3F still has the narrowest torso arc in the game. The Atlas without any pilot lab upgrades is technically smaller, but Atlai qualify for Twist X, meaning the Atlas has 89 degrees of torso twist, maxed out, whereas the 3F still has a measly 85 degrees.

Since when did that ever stop a Stalker pilot who knows how to drive it to pummel any opposition?

All mechs have weaknesses in some form, the trick is to cover the weaknesses and abuse the strengths. And the Stalker has plenty of strengths.

Edited by El Bandito, 12 February 2013 - 08:47 AM.

[Josef Nader]

Never, but narrow torso arcs are an inbuilt weakness to the chassis. Just like my Cataphract has massive, broad shoulders that soak bullets like a champ and my Hunchbacks can have their main weapon shot off from almost any angle. A Stalker pilot who can keep stuff in front of him is terrifying, but it's a challenge to keep stuff in front of you. Extremely high alpha, extremely low mobility. That's the Stalker.

[Sifright]

the number of stalkers i've JJed over in my A1 fired a single salvo into their rear CT and watched die instantly is beyond hilarious.

[Huntsman]

While I would take the 5M over an A1 in a heads up match:

- the A1 is 20 tons lighter
- the A1 can aim its weaponery better with its arms
- while the A1 uses an XL engine it is also faster
- while the A1 uses an XL engine, it side torsos are not nearly as exposed and vulnerable as the Stalker
- the A1 gets jump jets

It's not really a fair comparison between the two mechs. While both use alot of SRMs, they are piloted quite differently. The Stalker has combat capabilities commiserate with its role as an assault mech, and need not be changed. What makes the A1 OP, conversely, has nothing to do with the Stalker, but rather the issue is that it simply eclipses other brawlers of the heavy class.

My concern is that the devs will choose to nerf SRMs, which isn't necessary, rather than adjusting for the fact that sometihng needs to be done to prohibit the A1 from walking around with 6 of them, while still allowing the Stalker to remain just as competative as it currently is.

[Kaspirikay]

To me the A1 is just better because of JJs. I get much more effective armor than the stalker because I use my JJs to help spread damage down to my legs. In a stalker, you take what they want you to take.

[PeekaBoo I C Ju]

El Bandito, on 12 February 2013 - 08:41 AM, said:

STK-3F disagrees.

Anyway, second video is up. Enjoy.



Cool, what is your build?

3 medium pulse laser and 4 srm 6 with artimus

Edited by Peekaboo I C JU, 12 February 2013 - 09:13 AM.

[El Bandito]

Kaspirikay, on 12 February 2013 - 09:11 AM, said:

To me the A1 is just better because of JJs. I get much more effective armor than the stalker because I use my JJs to help spread damage down to my legs. In a stalker, you take what they want you to take.

And the Stalker can take more than the enemy can possibly dish out before that said enemy is dead.

JJs are cool though--waiting on the Highlander.

Edited by El Bandito, 12 February 2013 - 09:15 AM.

[0X2A]

Sifright, on 12 February 2013 - 08:51 AM, said:

the number of stalkers i've JJed over in my A1 fired a single salvo into their rear CT and watched die instantly is beyond hilarious.

Did they just stand there like "WTF? He's flying, I'll just forget about him and not turn my mech". As a 3F pilot, I can honestly say that stalkers have an inherit disadvantage with their measly torso twist and low speed. When I pilot my stalker (2xLrm 10, 6xMlas, and 2xSrm 6) I will ask a fellow pug (medium or heavy brawler) to escort me. A lone assault mech is often a dead assault mech.

[Twisted Power]

Craftyman, on 12 February 2013 - 06:25 AM, said:

It's not a boat its a blimp

OMG that is freaking awsome!!!!! Stolen!!!!

[Franchi]

I love stalkers tasty tasty stalkers, ill get two free volleys from jumpjets and another 8 from your s l o w turn rate and low speed.

The only time a stalker hits a cat is when the cat lets him.

Edited by Franchi, 12 February 2013 - 09:19 AM.

[Thirdstar]

The OP has not ever played an A1.

It's the only possible explanation to his assertion.

[Sifright]

Thirdstar, on 12 February 2013 - 09:24 AM, said:

The OP has not ever played an A1.

It's the only possible explanation to his assertion.

Yes, I think you are right.

[El Bandito]

Thirdstar, on 12 February 2013 - 09:24 AM, said:

The OP has not ever played an A1. It's the only possible explanation to his assertion.

Dude pls.

Edited by El Bandito, 12 February 2013 - 09:40 AM.