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[Phoenix Gray]

In the ongoing Cheese Wars, great energy and anger are being expended on the eeeeevil Streak boats and the bang-i-win button. The developers say they are working on a solution but don't want to interfere with the operation of the weapon.

So don't.

Let them interefere with each other.

The whole point of Streak tech is to guarantee a lock, leading to the impact of more missiles. Visual studies of Streak impacts show far more concentrated volleys on the target, more missiles to the same area.

Fine. Assign a penalty for too many missiles in the same area. Declare that one or two streak launchers firing into the same lock do not interfere with each other, but then assign a progressive penalty for each additional launcher to reflect the "crowding" of missiles onto the same target and the inevitable collision and mutual destruction of some of them before they hit, like a jostling crowd cramming into an escalator.

So Streak boats can still have their salvotgasms, but there would be a progressively lower benefit for each additional launcher installed.

Of course, Streakers could beat this penalty with chain fire, but where's the fun in that?

[Garth Erlam]

Moving to suggestions; and thanks

[TrickyGilligan]

The days of the 6 SSRM Catapult are already over, so I don't think this change would really do much to effect streaks. The complaint against them now is the combo of SSRM/ECM, namely on the Raven and Commando. Neither of these mechs are really "boating" streaks (well the commando is but he's tiny, leave him alone.)

So the issue is more the synergy with ECM/Streaks and not the number of streaks.

Also, I already fire streaks on chain fire for maximum cockpit shake and annoyance, as I'm sure many other players do.

I do agree with you that something should be done though, I just don't think this is the answer.

[blinkin]

the streak cat a1 build (and most other streak builds as far as i can tell) usually chain fire them anyways to make maximum use of knock effects.

[Phoenix Gray]

TrickyGilligan, on 12 February 2013 - 12:39 PM, said:

The days of the 6 SSRM Catapult are already over, so I don't think this change would really do much to effect streaks. The complaint against them now is the combo of SSRM/ECM, namely on the Raven and Commando. Neither of these mechs are really "boating" streaks (well the commando is but he's tiny, leave him alone.)

So the issue is more the synergy with ECM/Streaks and not the number of streaks.

Also, I already fire streaks on chain fire for maximum cockpit shake and annoyance, as I'm sure many other players do.

I do agree with you that something should be done though, I just don't think this is the answer.

I hadn't considerent the cockpit shake aspect of this, thanks.

[PropagandaWar]

you could have the streaks follow your crosshairs in a spread out pattern. If lasers follow it why not streaks.

[focuspark]

Streaks are broken, but wacky hacks are not the answer. Just make streaks take some skill and they're balanced.

My on going suggestion:
Have streak launchers project a beam up to 270m for up to 2 seconds. If the beam can be kept on a target for 0.5 seconds continuously or 1.0 seconds cumulative, the missile launch and work as they do now. If the beam cannot be kept on the target sufficiently, the launcher resets, no ammo expended, no heat generated.

Bang - SSRM are balanced, no wacky hacks to confuse people.

[Phoenix Gray]

focuspark, on 12 February 2013 - 01:24 PM, said:

Streaks are broken, but wacky hacks are not the answer. Just make streaks take some skill and they're balanced.

My on going suggestion:
Have streak launchers project a beam up to 270m for up to 2 seconds. If the beam can be kept on a target for 0.5 seconds continuously or 1.0 seconds cumulative, the missile launch and work as they do now. If the beam cannot be kept on the target sufficiently, the launcher resets, no ammo expended, no heat generated.

Bang - SSRM are balanced, no wacky hacks to confuse people.

But you don't see any cool airbursts like that!

[focuspark]

Phoenix Gray, on 12 February 2013 - 05:29 PM, said:

But you don't see any cool airbursts like that!

True... and the 360 tracking module won't allow me to shoot stuff behind my back either...

[blazarian]

Streaks are fine as they are, takes forever to kill someone with mech loaded with em. You have to get close and get direct line of fire, and the more you have them, the more you suck in that fight In general. If streaks are used by lights, they would be better off using SRMs for better dmg output. If lights are too fast for you, it's all the same do they have streaks or not.

Streaks guarantee hits, but they are low dmg and all over the place still. For me they are usually the weakest link in the weapon line installed. Some "guaranteed hits", but I would top them that near anyways with SRMs. For me they are "good" from a bit afar, where you spam your mediums/pulses as constant fire (like 3 SSRM2 @ atlas).

[blinkin]

PropagandaWar, on 12 February 2013 - 01:21 PM, said:

you could have the streaks follow your crosshairs in a spread out pattern. If lasers follow it why not streaks.

SIMPSONS DID IT!
http://mwomercs.com/...__fromsearch__1

blazarian, on 13 February 2013 - 01:50 AM, said:

Streaks are fine as they are, takes forever to kill someone with mech loaded with em. You have to get close and get direct line of fire, and the more you have them, the more you suck in that fight In general. If streaks are used by lights, they would be better off using SRMs for better dmg output. If lights are too fast for you, it's all the same do they have streaks or not.

Streaks guarantee hits, but they are low dmg and all over the place still. For me they are usually the weakest link in the weapon line installed. Some "guaranteed hits", but I would top them that near anyways with SRMs. For me they are "good" from a bit afar, where you spam your mediums/pulses as constant fire (like 3 SSRM2 @ atlas).

this is only somewhat true until the higher level streaks make it to the game.
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/SSRM-6

versus most large mechs what you say is currently correct, but against light mechs 5 damage is a pretty big deal.

[blazarian]

blinkin, on 13 February 2013 - 01:59 AM, said:

SIMPSONS DID IT!
http://mwomercs.com/...__fromsearch__1


this is only somewhat true until the higher level streaks make it to the game.
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/SSRM-6

versus most large mechs what you say is currently correct, but against light mechs 5 damage is a pretty big deal.

But light mechs have the mobility and speed = if they encounter SSRM -> they flee like Forrest Gump and change their plans because they can. The SSRM6 is balanced for sure when it comes, when it comes to heat/ammo.. or whatever. If SSRMs are made to "not hit", what's the point in using them? One "solution" also is to add spread, so guided but has unfocused dmg.

[warner2]

Make it so you have to actually have to aim them, as in MW4. That way they still fulfil one of their original roles, which is to be an easier weapon to use, without being overly easy as they are now.

AMS also could act on streaks properly.

I think diminishing benefits from boating weapons is generally a sound approach, too.

[darkthought]

Easiest fix? Have your own ECM screw up your Streak Lock when in Disrupt Mode, unless you keep a TAG on target.

[focuspark]

darkthought, on 13 February 2013 - 09:02 AM, said:

Easiest fix? Have your own ECM screw up your Streak Lock when in Disrupt Mode, unless you keep a TAG on target.

... but the ECM + SSRM OP issue is that they can put ECM into ECCM mode and use their streaks only when they want to.

[CancR]

The best fix is the easiest:

Increase the lock on time
If the middle circle of the crosshair isn't on the mech, the lock is lost.
damage goes from 2.5 to 2.

Making it take long then the half second it takes, and making the players have to keep the aim on the mech, and haing thee damage be appropriate for the weapon. Maybe one day they will even spread like a SRM is spouse to.

[focuspark]

CancR, on 13 February 2013 - 10:18 AM, said:

The best fix is the easiest:

Increase the lock on time
If the middle circle of the crosshair isn't on the mech, the lock is lost.
damage goes from 2.5 to 2.

Making it take long then the half second it takes, and making the players have to keep the aim on the mech, and haing thee damage be appropriate for the weapon. Maybe one day they will even spread like a SRM is spouse to.

Isn't that almost exactly what I proposed except you're still supporting pop-tarting by allowing lock on from behind objects?

[blinkin]

focuspark, on 13 February 2013 - 10:19 AM, said:

Isn't that almost exactly what I proposed except you're still supporting pop-tarting by allowing lock on from behind objects?

yeah, it is like a reasonable modification except it makes streaks useless.

@CancR
just put your suggestion in a pole thread. let people give you feed back in one easy to read area, and give them a simple yes no vote.
do you like this streak modification-- yes/no.

you already know my opinion, so lets see what the opinion of the majority is.

[CancR]

focuspark, on 13 February 2013 - 10:19 AM, said:

Isn't that almost exactly what I proposed

Alot of people came up with this idea around the same time, yet we have not got us all organized and united.

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except you're still supporting pop-tarting by allowing lock on from behind objects?

No, because you have to have the crosshairs on the mech. If you are drawing line of sight to the building even though you have a mech targeted on the building, you don't have the crosshairs on the mech it's self.

blinkin, on 13 February 2013 - 10:48 AM, said:

yeah, it is like a reasonable modification except it makes streaks useless.

@CancR
just put your suggestion in a pole thread. let people give you feed back in one easy to read area, and give them a simple yes no vote.
do you like this streak modification-- yes/no.

you already know my opinion, so lets see what the opinion of the majority is.

blinkin, on 13 February 2013 - 10:48 AM, said:

yeah, it is like a reasonable modification except it makes streaks useless.

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Because you see, requiring any amount of skill on the payer's part then makes them useless. Never mind the fact that each streak still will give you 4 damage with out the much harder skill of being able to keep on your target for the duration of laser fire to get the full damage. A little bit of skill would mean no one would run streaks ever again!

[blinkin]

CancR, on 13 February 2013 - 10:56 AM, said:

Because you see, requiring any amount of skill on the payer's part then makes them useless. Never mind the fact that each streak still will give you 4 damage with out the much harder skill of being able to keep on your target for the duration of laser fire to get the full damage. A little bit of skill would mean no one would run streaks ever again!

like i said you already know my opinion on the subject.

put out a poll thread and see what the majority think.

i will ask that you please keep the poll simple and unbiased.

do you think my idea will fix streaks?

• yes
  
• no
  
• yes if... (explain changes in post)

then present your idea.

i will only be one vote of many.