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[Wales Grey]

Thontor, on 16 February 2013 - 11:49 AM, said:

It's really only a problem when pitted against mechs optimized for MWO's heat system.

So what you're saying is "Trials are perfectly good unless you fight against good mechs"?

[Steinar Bergstol]

Mackensen, on 16 February 2013 - 11:32 AM, said:

No, Mechwarrior is about building Mechs and fighting Mechs. Remove one element and you have a different game.

Yes, you have a game which actually utilizes the setting it is supposed to be based on, rather than just giving it a short nod and letting people modify their mechs to what some of us consider to be a completely silly degree.

I honestly don't get why some people are so dead-set against this kind of game mode. It's not like it's going to take away your ability to play your twinkmechs in this game. There will still be the regular game mode with a fully functional mechlab for those who don't give a crap about the setting or canon stock designs. What this does is it gives those of us who _do_ care about that something a bit closer to the game _we_ want as well. How does that in any way hurt you or your preferred way of playing the game?

[MechWarrior001347]

What about a Trial only Mode? no Ceese Builds no ECM, just a bit stomping. And a seprate Group join Mode for the Tactical group training fans, and a Solaris 1vs1 Mode for the Boaters ... would be cool if every User can play his style without abusing the others =)

[Mackensen]

Steinar Bergstol, on 16 February 2013 - 12:10 PM, said:

Yes, you have a game which actually utilizes the setting it is supposed to be based on, rather than just giving it a short nod and letting people modify their mechs to what some of us consider to be a completely silly degree.

I honestly don't get why some people are so dead-set against this kind of game mode. It's not like it's going to take away your ability to play your twinkmechs in this game. There will still be the regular game mode with a fully functional mechlab for those who don't give a crap about the setting or canon stock designs. What this does is it gives those of us who _do_ care about that something a bit closer to the game _we_ want as well. How does that in any way hurt you or your preferred way of playing the game?

I must say that I´m surprised that so many seem to favour a "stock variants only" game mode. I remember playing Mechwarrior 2 Mercenaries back in the 90s. The thing that I liked the most with the game was the combination of customization and battlefield action. To me that is the essence of a true Mechwarrior game. A mech is deemed succesfull or not based on its performance on the battlefield, not on someones subjective opinion whether the mech is "silly" or not.There are many mindless games out there. MWO should aim higher.

[Hatachi]

Mackensen, on 16 February 2013 - 01:14 PM, said:

I must say that I´m surprised that so many seem to favour a "stock variants only" game mode. I remember playing Mechwarrior 2 Mercenaries back in the 90s. The thing that I liked the most with the game was the combination of customization and battlefield action. To me that is the essence of a true Mechwarrior game. A mech is deemed succesfull or not based on its performance on the battlefield, not on someones subjective opinion whether the mech is "silly" or not.There are many mindless games out there. MWO should aim higher.

It doesn't surprise me at all. You have people that have your thought process when it came to the game/s. You also had people like me and my buddies in school who would play through the campaign/s of the games with canon mechs and balanced loadouts to up the difficulty and to make it for more Battletech-esque. I still remember going through all of Mechwarrior 3 and never moving my lance out of their starting mechs. I learned to love that Bushwhacker.

The stock mechs and background fiction has always struck me a bit like fighting games. It's not about building the exact perfect design. It's about pushing what you have to the limit.

Edited by Hatachi, 16 February 2013 - 01:37 PM.

[Pihb]

stock variants are bad and the matches would take forever and ever

[Vassago Rain]

Thontor, on 16 February 2013 - 02:05 PM, said:

clearly some people would like, or even prefer, that slower pace

if you don't.. keep playing full custom matches

Can't those people drop in the horrible stock mechs that already exist? They could even setup 8 man synchdrops against each other...

[Pihb]

Thontor, on 16 February 2013 - 02:05 PM, said:

clearly some people would like, or even prefer, that slower pace

if you don't.. keep playing full custom matches

I am not talking about slower pace. I am talking about the timer running out because everyone used up their 1 ton of ammo 10 min ago and all we have left is machine guns and large lasers that shut down my mech every other shot.

[MustrumRidcully]

Thontor, on 16 February 2013 - 12:09 PM, said:

basically

given equal skill between the mechwarriors piloting them

But that isn't actually true. There are severe imbalance problems that also result from the way the heat system works.

It is a quite simply, basic thing.

In BT, an AC/10 and a PPC were roughly equal. AC/10 - 12 tons, 3 heat sinks, 2 tons of ammo = 17 tons. PPC - 7 tons, 10 heat sinks = 17 tons. 10 damage every 10 seconds for 17 tons at roughly the same range.

In MW, that logic changes - If you, say, fire the AC/10 and the PPC at roughly every 5 seconds, the AC/10 needs 3 mroe heat sinks than it did in the TT, giving you 20 damage over 10 seconds for 20 tons, while the PPC (with the heat reductions lately) needs 8 extra heat sinks to achieve this, for a total of 25 tons for 20 damage every 10 seconds.

We're not even talking about Level 2 Tech and Double Heat Sinks and all that here. Just bog standard 3025 level tech. It's a serious difference whether you got a mech with 2 ballistic weapons and a few lasers, anda mech with a lot of lasers or PPCs. Heat-wise, you're screwed with the second one, even in the TT, the second one may have been superior.

[Vassago Rain]

Thontor, on 16 February 2013 - 02:29 PM, said:

not sure what you are saying isnt true... take a look at that quote tree and tell me

Khobai says stock mechs overheat a lot, I say the end result is they simply dont fire as often... which wouldnt be a problem when facing other mechs with the same problem

Wales ask if i'm saying "trials are good except against customized mechs" (paraphrasing)

I say basically (implied yes) ...

and by "given equal skill between the mechwarriors piloting them" i mean even a terrible trial mech piloted by a skilled mechwarrior can beat a min maxed custom mech piloted by a terrible mechwarrior who can't aim.



Ah.. somehow you think i was saying all stock mechs are created equal or something like that?.. no... i have no doubt that only a few select, and effective, mechs would ever be used in a stock only game mode.. i have no argument with you there.

You seem to have entered the mechwarrior forum. You want to visit the battletech forum.

[Stormwolf]

Why are people even complaining about a stock only mode?
It's not like you are going to be forced to participate.

[Vassago Rain]

Thontor, on 16 February 2013 - 02:42 PM, said:

That.. is what I am saying.. I would hate it.. and I think it would be boring.. but I don't have a problem with giving people the option if that's what they would prefer.

http://mwomercs.com/...w-world-begins/

[Mackensen]

Stormwolf, on 16 February 2013 - 02:40 PM, said:

Why are people even complaining about a stock only mode?
It's not like you are going to be forced to participate.

It would be extremely boring. I can´t understand why you don´t want to customize your mechs.

[Stormwolf]

Mackensen, on 16 February 2013 - 02:45 PM, said:

It would be extremely boring. I can´t understand why you don´t want to customize your mechs.

Many people want this game to be a lot closer to the source material, less then 1% of the BT universe had a custom ride till the advent of the omnimech.

Then there is the fact that many of the oldschool fans would like to see battles between all the classics as described in the lore and/or novels. Over the years many have gained some attachment to certain designs despite all their flaws.

I always loved the stock Mad Dog Prime despite the fact that the thing overheats when you keep firing its pulse lasers too long. A friend of mine has always had a attachment to his trusty old GRF-1N despite the fact that it only has a single PPC and LRM10 launcher.

And besides, playing stock matches was never boring to me. In closed Beta we always had periods after a reset where everybody was driving a stock mech, I loved every minute of it.

[Mackensen]

Stormwolf, on 16 February 2013 - 02:56 PM, said:

Many people want this game to be a lot closer to the source material, less then 1% of the BT universe had a custom ride till the advent of the omnimech.

Then there is the fact that many of the oldschool fans would like to see battles between all the classics as described in the lore and/or novels. Over the years many have gained some attachment to certain designs despite all their flaws.

I always loved the stock Mad Dog Prime despite the fact that the thing overheats when you keep firing its pulse lasers too long. A friend of mine has always had a attachment to his trusty old GRF-1N despite the fact that it only has a single PPC and LRM10 launcher.

And besides, playing stock matches was never boring to me. In closed Beta we always had periods after a reset where everybody was driving a stock mech, I loved every minute of it.

I not sure that a stock only game mode would be possible in MWO. It would be like trial mechs against each other. The mechs would have to be free. MWO would change direction and probably lose money in the process.

[StalaggtIKE]

Yes!

RiceyFighter, on 12 February 2013 - 10:51 PM, said:

I like to call that mode, HardCore mode~

This.

[Oppresor]

I fully understand why many MechWarrior's like the idea of stock only. It sort of levels the playing field and means that your skills or lack of are revealed. But I am the classic square peg that won't go into the round hole. Typically I have always favoured the Atlas; but not as a brawler. I use it as long range fire support, sometimes as a sniper; for this reason mine is configured for long range engagement, but with heavy CIWS. For me the only thing that could improve on this, is if they were to introduce the Omega.

[Stormwolf]

Mackensen, on 16 February 2013 - 03:07 PM, said:

I not sure that a stock only game mode would be possible in MWO. It would be like trial mechs against each other. The mechs would have to be free. MWO would change direction and probably lose money in the process.

They wouldn't have to be free, you still need to buy mechs outside of the trial mechs that are available.

Though it would give people who only have a trial mech a fair chance at grinding C-Bills. That way we could get more players to stay, they can always afford a custom mech after sufficient battles and participate in custom matches.

[TheForce]

Vassago Rain, on 16 February 2013 - 02:33 PM, said:

You seem to have entered the mechwarrior forum. You want to visit the battletech forum.

LOL nice one vassago.

i like how u have multiple die rolls for every weapon LOL

yes thats the game mode i want.

Edited by TheForce, 16 February 2013 - 03:26 PM.

[Mackensen]

Stormwolf, on 16 February 2013 - 03:23 PM, said:

They wouldn't have to be free, you still need to buy mechs outside of the trial mechs that are available.

Though it would give people who only have a trial mech a fair chance at grinding C-Bills. That way we could get more players to stay, they can always afford a custom mech after sufficient battles and participate in custom matches.

Who would buy mechs that you are not allowed to modify? What is the point of grinding for C-bills if you can´t uppgrade your mech? MWO would lose focus. I think it is a bad idea.