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[NitroDev]

Ngamok, on 13 February 2013 - 10:40 AM, said:

You can do a Kickstarter likes these guys and find out.

http://www.ign.com/a...ontent=15953516

Their first mistake was allowing those meddlesome rebels to find their plans.

[WolvesX]

Garth Erlam, on 13 February 2013 - 10:43 AM, said:

Seriously though, I've played a fair amount of F2P games, and this is the only one I don't hate the 'grind' of. The Cadet Bonus alone means that within three hours I can buy almost any Mech in the game I want.

Also: Buff Cicadas MIRITE.

Still no reason not to support your OWN game.

;-)

[Agent 0 Fortune]

TheSinister, on 13 February 2013 - 09:42 AM, said:

I can see the developers pushing the players to spend money...

nothing in your post identifies anything resembling a money sink.
The paint jobs don't offer any advantages.
The Hero mech actually do, 30% c-bill earning, but as you pointed out, without a founder bonus (you didn't activate your time) and without Repair and Rearm costs, C-Bill generation is easy.

So it looks like this game is exactly the opposite of a money sink. It is a F2P game that doesn't punish Free players.

[Garth Erlam]

I do support it - but I feel it's my obligation as a Community Manager to ensure that all players can play viably; IE. players who do not use MC are not left behind.

I am finding it bizarre people are annoyed at this...

NitroDev, on 13 February 2013 - 10:45 AM, said:

Their first mistake was allowing those meddlesome rebels to find their plans.

Damn Bothans. Expect a nerf for them.

[Agent of Change]

Garth Erlam, on 13 February 2013 - 10:43 AM, said:

Also: Buff Cicadas MIRITE.

yup buff'em good.

about 35 more tons, some arms maybe some high mounted missile launcher pods... I think a well buffed cicada should look like something between a Catapult and a Marauder.

(Also how about that Gartmobile huh?)

Edited by Agent of Change, 13 February 2013 - 10:52 AM.

[WolvesX]

Garth Erlam, on 13 February 2013 - 10:21 AM, said:

I have never spent a dime on the game, and I don't use Premium Time, GXP conversion, or MC for Mechs other than to show off Heros on the twitch events. I play exclusively as someone who has zero MC - I have three Cicadas and a Phract 3D. If a new non-Hero Mech comes out I want, I'll see the 3D and buy it.

So believe me when I say there are people 'on the inside' who play just like you do to make sure these systems work.

For every LIKE Garth gets, he should get ONE MC free from PGI as bonus!

WHO IS WITH ME ????

WHOOO IS WITH ME ?????

Edited by WolvesX, 13 February 2013 - 10:54 AM.

[WolvesX]

Garth Erlam, on 13 February 2013 - 10:49 AM, said:

I do support it - but I feel it's my obligation as a Community Manager to ensure that all players can play viably; IE. players who do not use MC are not left behind.

I am finding it bizarre people are annoyed at this...



Damn Bothans. Expect a nerf for them.

Oh, if you think that I'm annoyed, I'm just joking^^

[Taizan]

WolvesX, on 13 February 2013 - 10:53 AM, said:

For every LIKE Garth get, he should get ONE MC free from PGI as bonus!

Only if he stops pouring leftover coffee and donut crumbs into the servers.

[PropagandaWar]

Garth Erlam, on 13 February 2013 - 10:43 AM, said:

Seriously though, I've played a fair amount of F2P games, and this is the only one I don't hate the 'grind' of. The Cadet Bonus alone means that within three hours I can buy almost any Mech in the game I want.

Also: Buff Cicadas MIRITE.

On that note Free to Player that im helping float the bill for You should be maxed out selling those mechs and starting a new set.

As far as content OP I look at it like I look at my kids growth. They constantly are, but I don't realize it until certain milestones are met because I see them every day.

[WolvesX]

Taizan, on 13 February 2013 - 10:55 AM, said:

Only if he stops pouring leftover coffee and donut crumbs into the servers.

Oh yeah, every ******* Tuesday the same ****! Let our servers alone!

Know I know that PGI calls "MAINTAINANCE".

Edited by WolvesX, 13 February 2013 - 10:59 AM.

[Felder]

I might be going on a sidetrack here, but I would be ok with only handful of maps and all the 'moneysink' addons like dancing d***o on cockpit, if there would be somekind of community warfare already going on. It would not necessarily have to be anything serious and could be reseted when beta ends. But to have at least some visible faction related goal would be nice.

I don't know if the playerbase still makes it possible, though

[Lukoi Banacek]

Bogus, on 13 February 2013 - 10:18 AM, said:

To be fair it is kind of lame to be pushing people to spend even more money on a game that's nowhere near finished and, for all we know, might not even make it to production. But it's hardly mandatory and PGI's approach is a lot less overtly sleazy than most F2P companies.

Personally, I just ignore the ads unless I see a C-bill symbol in there somewhere like with the colors.

At what point are any of us being pushed to spend actual money?

Not a single thing in this beta phase is required for you to jump in, grind some cbills to buy a couple of mechs and rompy-stompy robot to a person's heart's content. I'm not saying Bogus is making that complaint btw, but his words above have been directly echoed before by people who do in fact try to make the case that PGI is somehow screwing people if they don't spend money.

It's an incomplete beta that they've chosen to crowdsource as a burgeoning developer. IF it doesn't hold promise for you or you simply cannot afford (or don't want to afford) to donate to the project, by all means, don't. Merely playing the game helps the devs in terms of measurable metrics, so go....play...build some trends for them to utilize in tweaking the game. Feedback/suggestions on forums, yet another way to help the project.

But to imply the devs are forcing anyone to spend cash, OP included, is simply ******* farsical. Man up OP, get control over your own damned wallet and quit contributing to what's clearly a beta! And if you feel the need to whine on forums and exercise your freedom of speech rights (or whatever equivalent you have in your country outside of Canada), prepare to get flamed for being a whiner....you're the only one dipping into your wallet.

[MischiefSC]

F2P models like this are an entertainingly communist approach to capitalism.

The small slice of players with plenty of money to spend on the game do so, enough so that they support the bulk of players spending little to no money on it.

From each according to their ability, to each according to their need.

The game is also still in Beta. For a game in Beta it's awesome. We've created this silly notion that everything should be available RIGHT NOW. RIGHT NOW is when you want it thus RIGHT NOW is when it should be available, right?

Most games take years to go gold. The 'release game in beta, test based on player metrics' is relatively new phenomenon and in the long run I believe will make better products. It's a lot easier to shift core mechanics at an early stage than it is well after release. Ask Star Wars Galaxies. If they'd done a longer and earlier open beta they'd have avoided dropping major metric shifting updates on 500k players and effectively ragequitting their player base.

Quit trying to spend other peoples money too. It's a bad habit we have as people. Telling someone else what they should and shouldn't spend their money on.

Get your own money. Spend it where you want to spend it. Let everyone else spend it how they want. Ya commie.

[2500kgm3]

I just had a game with Garth on my team, and I can confirm two things:

1) He does indeed drive a regular Cicada.
2) Having someone with the PGI logo in your team does not ensure victory in battle xD

[Kdogg788]

Garth Erlam, on 13 February 2013 - 10:43 AM, said:

Seriously though, I've played a fair amount of F2P games, and this is the only one I don't hate the 'grind' of. The Cadet Bonus alone means that within three hours I can buy almost any Mech in the game I want.

Also: Buff Cicadas MIRITE.

Amen brother! I'm a Cicada driver as well, and speaking of, when will we see a Cicada hero mech because I will be buying one within the first 30 seconds of it being available.

On a side note, is there any possibility of seeing patterns where you can have more than 3 colors? Tye-Die perhaps?

-k

[hammerreborn]

Garth Erlam, on 13 February 2013 - 10:43 AM, said:

Seriously though, I've played a fair amount of F2P games, and this is the only one I don't hate the 'grind' of. The Cadet Bonus alone means that within three hours I can buy almost any Mech in the game I want.

Also: Buff Cicadas MIRITE.

This post is true. http://mwomercs.com/...ost__p__1672291

~8,5 mil made in the first 20 games in trials, which will buy you pretty much everything but the most expensive assaults. The Cadet bonus is sexy, but so sad when you hit that 26th game and the bonus disappears and that 300k round becomes a 40-50k one.

[Garth Erlam]

I'm curious which aspects of this game 'require' one to spend MC. Here's what, if I started playing today, my games would be like:
Twenty-five games, at roughly 5-10 minutes each, in my Cicada CDA-2A. So 7.5 * 25 = 187.5 minutes, or just over three hours played. So I started when I got home from work at 6, and by 9 I have roughly 9 million C-Bills, and the knowledge that the CDA-2A is the greatest Mech in existence. I decide to buy the CDA-2A.
So, 9,000,000 - 3,194,944 = 5,805,056. I think I want an XL 300, so I sell my 320 engine for 981,333 C-Bills, and now have 6,786,389 C-Bills, and buy an XL 300 for 4,900,000. This leaves me with 1,886,389. I buy DHS, leaving me with 386,389. I remove the SL, and add four more Medium Lasers at 320,000, leaving me with 66,389. I buy 5 DHS, leading me with 6,839 C-Bills which I use to add armour. All I need to do now is save up for Endo-Steel, add two heatsinks, and TheGarths CDA-2A is complete

[Agent 0 Fortune]

2500kgm3, on 13 February 2013 - 11:15 AM, said:

I just had a game with Garth on my team, and I can confirm two things:
1) He does indeed drive a regular Cicada.
2) Having someone with the PGI logo in your team does not ensure victory in battle xD

Actually it almost guaranteeing a loss, since you know he is not on a team, which means you have 4-8 PUG players against a sync drop.

That and he drives a Cicada. *

* just kidding, I don’t pilot light mechs (or assault), so Cicada is my goto mech when I want something fast or something with ECM, plus they can actually carry a decent payload, I like a 2x Lg Laser + Md + TAG or 2x PPC

[Garth Erlam]

I've been using KyleL's CDA-3M recently to finally elite out my Cicadas. It has been... interesting. It makes me miss my 2A and 2B greatly.

Also thanks Thontor, edited 'hours' to 'minutes.'

[MischiefSC]

I've tried the Cicada. 3M with ECM, 300XL and 2XERPPCs.

Mixed results. I miss the cold killing power of my Atlas but I do so hate being the last one to the party. Admittedly aC-DC is always very fashionably late and certainly attracts a crowd. Generally in the form of focused fire. Unless there is another Atlas, in which case we will inevitably charge at each other in a slow motion rush down the beach, arms wide, the air filled with sweet music, AC20 fire and explosions like some very sociopathic long lost lovers. Why is that? Only Atlases do that. We always do.

Anyway.

Most people only give a Cicada a few passing casual shots before shifting to other targets so I harass the crap out of them. Unless you're the last guy on the map nobody focus-fires on a Cicada.