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[valkyrie]

MonkeyCheese, on 16 February 2013 - 05:49 PM, said:

My bet is that he wont complain once all the community warfare and clans and houses and so on come.

Once all that comes this game will be nothing but team based.

"Community Warfare isn't in" and "it's a beta" should not be excuses for issues with the game and it's playerbase right now. The BASE game needs to be solid before anything else can be built on it. And, I might add, if PGI does this grand community warfare thing like everyone seems to think it will be, then recruiting is just going to be even MORE annoying, because people will be seeking out groups on their own (as they do now) and in a best case scenario, groups will only be fighting groups for anything of actual importance in CW already.

Recruiting pitches now? Insult to likely injury from the PUG perspective.

[Ghogiel]

4man groups spamming macros in attemp to recruit pubbies, kinda leaves a bad impression on me>

so at the end of the match, when I've killed 1 or 2 of them and did twice as much damage as anyone else on my team, It's like you want to recruit these guys? really? they all sucked. :\

[Vassago Rain]

Ghogiel, on 16 February 2013 - 05:59 PM, said:

4man groups spamming macros in attemp to recruit pubbies, kinda leaves a bad impression on me>

so at the end of the match, when I've killed 1 or 2 of them and did twice as much damage as anyone else on my team, It's like you want to recruit these guys? really? they all sucked. :\

B-b-b-b-b-but tryhards.edu.xmission.se!

The common golds will only spam me when they're winning.

[Mr 144]

While personally I despise recruitment spam, comparing them to Gold Farmer's is simply not accurate. Gold Farmers are not tolerated in games because they curcumvent the in-game economy, usually by nefarious means. They also, in theory, hurt the potential revenue generation from new players for the company itself. No where near the same thing.

The connection trying to be made is in advertiseing, but the reality is, almost any game with any sort of guild system has spammers for this purpose. It's very common for brand new players to a game to be insta-recruited into a ginormous revolving-door guild almost immediately. This is nothing even remotely new in MMOs.

Norris J Packard, on 16 February 2013 - 05:40 PM, said:

Running A1's and D-DC's doesn't make you a better player......

....points to the screenie of Vassago in a dead D-DC...apparently you're right

Mr 144

Edited by Mr 144, 16 February 2013 - 06:04 PM.

[Particle Man]

Norris J Packard, on 16 February 2013 - 05:45 PM, said:

No, it is much better to win via reputation alone.

and how exactly is a unit going to gain a reputation if they can never say their unit and never interact with the pugs because a vocal minority of antisocial forum trolls wont allow it?

Ghogiel, on 16 February 2013 - 05:59 PM, said:

4man groups spamming macros in attemp to recruit pubbies, kinda leaves a bad impression on me>

so at the end of the match, when I've killed 1 or 2 of them and did twice as much damage as anyone else on my team, It's like you want to recruit these guys? really? they all sucked. :\

then they wont have very many recruits and that;s their problem.

Edited by Particle Man, 16 February 2013 - 06:06 PM.

[Vassago Rain]

Mr 144, on 16 February 2013 - 06:03 PM, said:

While personally I despise recruitment spam, comparing them to Gold Farmer's is simply not accurate. Gold Farmers are not tolerated in games because they curcumvent the in-game economy, usually by nefarious means. They also, in theory, hurt the potential revenue generation from new players for the company itself. No where near the same thing.

The connection trying to be made is in advertiseing, but the reality is, almost any game with any sort of guild system has spammers for this purpose. It's very common for brand new players to a game to be insta-recruited into a ginormous revolving-door guild almost immediately. This is nothing even remotely new in MMOs.



....points to the screenie of Vassago in a dead D-DC...apparently you're right

Mr 144

Would you like to see screenshots of me in the white whale before it was called the white whale, or watch hours of gameplay
footage of streak spam and lurm boating before either was thought of as a bad thing?

[Particle Man]

Vassago Rain, on 16 February 2013 - 05:56 PM, said:

Stop spamming the chat. Put up a thread in the recruitment board, like everybody else.

very few percent of the pugs will even come to the forums and the few that do will be driven off by QQ threads and serial whiners

Edited by Particle Man, 16 February 2013 - 06:08 PM.

[Vassago Rain]

Particle Man, on 16 February 2013 - 06:05 PM, said:

and how exactly is a unit going to gain a reputation if they can never say their unit and never interact with the pugs because a vocal minority of antisocial forum trolls wont allow it?




then they wont have very many recruits and that;s their problem.

The same way they've managed to grind out recruits for 15 years in utopia.
The same way we got our own guild started.

Take your spam off my chat window.

[Damocles]

Did I just fall into a Kong recruitment thread?

[Norris J Packard]

Particle Man, on 16 February 2013 - 06:07 PM, said:

very few percent of the pugs will even come to the forums and the few that do will be driven off by QQ threads and serial whiners

Then why would you bet on them seeking out the players who just killed them? Especially if they won't come to the forums, for the game that they are playing, that has an account already made for them, that they can access at any time.

[Vassago Rain]

Particle Man, on 16 February 2013 - 06:07 PM, said:

very few percent of the pugs will even come to the forums and the few that do will be driven off by QQ threads and serial whiners

Not my problem. Take it off, and play like a man. If 4chan can manage 30 people with zero recruitment, the BATTLEBORN KNIGHTS with its 1200 registed members should be able to muster at least one 8 manz at any given time, without spamming macros in the chat window.

[Tykelau]

Norris J Packard, on 16 February 2013 - 05:42 PM, said:

How is it the fault of the matchmaker?

ELO won't prevent solo-droppers from falling into 4-mans, or sync drops.

I am making an assumption here, but if ELO ranks players on their skill and win/loss I would hope that clans would eventually end up with an inflated ELO and matched with other players with a similar ELO.

Then maybe pug droppers like myself would be matched against other pug droppers more often. That said I am living in lala land mostly, so I am probably unrealistic in this assumption.

[Norris J Packard]

Tykelau, on 16 February 2013 - 06:10 PM, said:

I am making an assumption here, but if ELO ranks players on their skill and win/loss I would hope that clans would eventually end up with an inflated ELO and matched with other players with a similar ELO.

Then maybe pug droppers like myself would be matched against other pug droppers more often. That said I am living in lala land mostly, so I am probably unrealistic in this assumption.

At which point their ELO becomes normalized because they are playing on equal terms. So the inflation tapers off and they start playing against decent solo-players who have similar ELO. And thus the cycle repeats itself.

[Mr 144]

Vassago Rain, on 16 February 2013 - 06:06 PM, said:

Would you like to see screenshots of me in the white whale before it was called the white whale, or watch hours of gameplay
footage of streak spam and lurm boating before either was thought of as a bad thing?

Bah, everyone knows you love your fatlases...and have since the beginning...the point is, a D-DC in 4-mans...just feels a little dirty in today's 'everyone want's a crutch' world.

As long as the gang's all here though...you guys interested in a scrimmage night ? Connor claims Norris is the one to talk too, but was rather incoherent in his previous post on the subject...

Mr 144

[MonkeyCheese]

Someones forum grindin hard today

[OneEyed Jack]

Volume, on 16 February 2013 - 05:31 PM, said:

Plays can opt in or out of joining a chat that has "clan/team/merc-corp/whatever" recruitment. They can't opt out of reading all-chat.

Really? Because in my experience most of the players opt out of reading ANY of the chat, so I'd say you're wrong.

Gold-selling is banned from other games for reasons that have nothing to do with chat spam.

Posts on the boards for recruitment don't reach the majority of solo/new players, who don't log on to the boards to ever see them. Hell, most of them don't bother to read the patch notes,
and they have to press a button that says "patch" on it and wait for it to DL while there's a little link at the top that says "patch notes."

If it was actual spam, as in repeated and interrupting the valuable chat, making it difficult or impossible for teams to use that chat to coordinate, I'd agree. As is, it just looks like you're bored and need something to ***** about.

[Vassago Rain]

OneEyed Jack, on 16 February 2013 - 06:12 PM, said:

Really? Because in my experience most of the players opt out of reading ANY of the chat, so I'd say you're wrong.

Gold-selling is banned from other games for reasons that have nothing to do with chat spam.

Posts on the boards for recruitment don't reach the majority of solo/new players, who don't log on to the boards to ever see them. Hell, most of them don't bother to read the patch notes,
and they have to press a button that says "patch" on it and wait for it to DL while there's a little link at the top that says "patch notes."

If it was actual spam, as in repeated and interrupting the valuable chat, making it difficult or impossible for teams to use that chat to coordinate, I'd agree. As is, it just looks like you're bored and need something to ***** about.

Not our problem. If we can maintain one of the arguably strongest guilds in the game, and we're doing that from the middle of nowhere, you should have very little problem at least doing a similar job.

It's spam. I can easily setup a macro that prevents people from using the chat.
Before ECM, when people did this, it was joked that this was the new ECM feature.

I don't want recruitment junk in my pub ghetto matches, and I don't want the ghetto swamped with golden tears.

[Norris J Packard]

Mr 144, on 16 February 2013 - 06:11 PM, said:

Bah, everyone knows you love your fatlases...and have since the beginning...the point is, a D-DC in 4-mans...just feels a little dirty in today's 'everyone want's a crutch' world.

As long as the gang's all here though...you guys interested in a scrimmage night ? Connor claims Norris is the one to talk too, but was rather incoherent in his previous post on the subject...

Mr 144

When PGI adds an actual weight mechanic to the game, I'll be more receptive of doing something like that. However the last time, it blew up in my face since Kong is extremely heterogeneous and they didn't like the rules I agreed to. Plus there's also the fact that none of this really matters, I'd much rather do scheduled fights in CW since that's when it counts and hopefully by then the matchmaking (and the game itself) will be much more diverse with matured systems in place to allow for greater enjoyment.

[LaserAngel]

Norris J Packard, on 16 February 2013 - 05:45 PM, said:

No, it is much better to win via reputation alone.

Do you have ANY idea of how often I get recognized? I literally cannot play more than three games without some guy I've never seen before going, "Oh hey Norris, what's up?" I don't advertise my group, I don't go "HURR GG", I don't base cap. I kill, I fight, I win. In fact I absolutely abhor even mentioning that I'm in Kong, even when asked. The most I'll ever own up to is when I'm solo dropping and someone asks if it is a 4-man. That's it.

Why ruin people's fun? When you know you're fighting a 4-man or potentially an 8-man then the defeatist mindset sinks in on some players, especially since in all likelihood you know the guys you're fighting are running any number of cheese. It's annoying and pathetic of them to think anyone gives a crap about their tacticool RP groups.

My mind was blown when someone pointed my drop out as LaserAngel's Kong 4-man. I don't even play that much.

[Vassago Rain]

Mr 144, on 16 February 2013 - 06:11 PM, said:

Bah, everyone knows you love your fatlases...and have since the beginning...the point is, a D-DC in 4-mans...just feels a little dirty in today's 'everyone want's a crutch' world.

As long as the gang's all here though...you guys interested in a scrimmage night ? Connor claims Norris is the one to talk too, but was rather incoherent in his previous post on the subject...

Mr 144

We're always up to it, as long as we can pull people together.
Drop a message in our thread. If there isn't a powwow, there will be fighting.

Like Norris said, this is all assuming we can pull them together, and they don't have a powwow. I like doing 8 manz dry. Connor is a bit more into the planning. Norris rarely does 8 manz, because REASONS. Some days, I won't do 8 manz because REASONS.

So it's always best to go to MWOG and pose a challenge. The less time people have to think about it, the better.

Edited by Vassago Rain, 16 February 2013 - 06:27 PM.